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peteroxy
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posted 03-10-2004 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, I am getting a chihuahua puppy from a woman whose dog became accidentally pregnant. The owners *really* don't want to hold onto the puppies for much longer, they and originally wanted me to pick up the my puppy at 4 1/2 to 5-weeks, but I told them that was way too young. However, I have a feeling they will try to get me to adopt the puppy at either 6 or (if i can hold them off) 7 weeks.

I know that the recommend age to pick up a puppy is at 8 weeks, because they learn important dog-traits during that time from their mom and littermates.

I have two small chihuahua-mixes at home (both fixed) who are really great with other dogs, and I know that there won't be any problem with them getting along with the puppy. This is because I know my dogs and their temperments (very docile with humans and other dogs).

My question is this, if I am forced to take the puppy at 6 or 7 weeks, will my two dogs be able to teach the puppy what it would've learned from its mama and littermates?

I have one other concern, my two dogs are 10lbs and 13lbs and the puppy is small, maybe about 2-3lbs. The puppy's mom is about 10-12 lbs. Can I socialize a puppy with dogs about 7-10 lbs heavier?

I really want the best for this puppy and I know if I tell the woman I don't want the puppy, she will find someone else who doesn't know better to take it. I am willing to do whatever I can to ensure this dog has a happy, well-adjusted life, but I need all the advice I can get.

Thank you!!!

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charmedagain
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posted 03-10-2004 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmedagain     Edit/Delete Message
Hi the age thing is because during the first weeks of life the litter is learning how to be a dog and do doggy things from its mother also helping them to socialize with other dogs.

I dont mean to sound rude about this woman but if this was an unplanned pregnancy and she does not want the liter in her home any longer think she should have had her female spayed before this could have happened.
Irresponsible owner she is leaving her poor female unattended while in heat as males will even mate through a fence if needs be.

The only main problem you will have with the weight difference from the adults and the pup is play time when they are jumping on each other and so on but providing you can keep and eye on them then there should be no problem.

I dont believe in letting my litters go to there new homes till atleast 8weeks old but if this woman is eager to get rid of them and will just give them to anyone then i think providing you are prepared for the sleepless nights for the first couple of days and have the time for a puppy then i think you should go for it if this is what you really want.

Please keep us posted of how you get on and what you decide.

mike.
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peteroxy
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posted 03-10-2004 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
thank you mike for your advice! yes, i think it's irresponsible what she has done..esp. since the dad is her other dog! to have two unfixed dogs when you don't want them to breed is inexcusable. she does plan on getting the mom spayed, but really!

Having not dealt with a whining puppy during the night, how many days/weeks does it generally last when a puppy is that young?

Also, my two chihuahuas are penned off in the kitchen when my roommate or me aren't home. I'm assuming I should not leave a small puppy alone with two larger size dogs due to the weight difference, but about how long do you expect they would they need to be separated? I'm not familiar with how fast puppies grow.

THANKS!!!

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charmedagain
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posted 03-11-2004 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmedagain     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, the whining should last no more than about 2nights but this problem might not happen since you have other dogs that he/she can play with.

for the first couple of days after getting the new puppy keep a close eye on how they all play and if there is no signs of the bigger ones hurting the pup then i dont see why they all can not play together while you are not home this will help with bordem which results in chewing toys and things they should not chew.

Good luck.
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Jas

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posted 03-11-2004 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
This "breeder" should take responsibility for those pups, as she only has herself to blame for the "accident". Taking responsibility means looking out for the well being of these little lives now created and raising them properly for their crucial development stages. Letting them go at 4 1/2 - 5 weeks is NOT responsible. They should be with their mom and littermates no less than 8 weeks.

Please, try the Chi clubs http://www.chihuahuaclubofamerica.com/ and search for a responsible breeder. Do not support this woman, you deserve a sound puppy raised from someone who is committed to careful breeding & raising. Some "breeders" have "accidents" all the time. Having your other two dogs there might help for some things but depending on their ages & level of play they might not want anything to do with the pup. Your pup will hopefully be with you for 12+ years so you need to think about the difficulty of having dog who may possibly be fearful - have social issues (with dogs and people) versus the ease of raising a well adjusted dog.

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peteroxy
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posted 03-12-2004 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you all of you for your advice!

Here's the kicker, I just talked to the woman and it turns out that she spayed her dog last weekend. So, per her vet's advice, she's been feeding the puppies regular milk. she says the mom no longer wants anything to do with her pups. the puppies are 6 weeks this weekend. im supposed to pick up next weekend, but do you think i should pick up sooner? she's already adopted out most of the puppies. and what do you think about this regular milk feeding? if i pick up next weekend, do you think it's OK for a puppy to go 2 weeks drinking regular milk?

THANKS!!

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charmedagain
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posted 03-12-2004 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmedagain     Edit/Delete Message
Hi the only milk the puppies should really be drinking is either a substitute puppy formula or goats milk as cows milk can make them sick and give them diareah.

Most puppies will feed of mum for aslong as she will allow them too even though they eating solids.

I cant understand how the woman can say that the mother wont have anything to do with her babies now as mine will still look after there litters until the last one is gone.

I think that the woman just wants the litter out of her house which really like jas says she was irresponsible enough to allow this mating to have taken place so she should also take care of the litter if mum wont.

Chances are there could be anything wrong with the puppies like heriditry illnesses and problems or genetic problems that may not show up until the puppies are older.

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Sunday
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posted 03-12-2004 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunday     Edit/Delete Message
Peteroxy, this is just my opinion and my own experience.

I got my Precious from her irresponsible parents owner. I was forced to take Precious at 4 weeks. ( I don't recommend that) It's a long story and one that I've told before so I will not go into it. If you care to read about it, you can find all that in my message history. (I'M NOT ADVOCATING TAKING PUPS FROM THEIR MOM BEFORE 8 WEEKS SO NO HATER REPLIES.) My neighbor also adopted a pup from the same litter and we decided to kept the pups together in my home until they were 8 weeks old.

Taking a pup from it's litter at 6 weeks is not unheard of. 6 to 8 week is really subject to personal opinion. From what I've read I personally would not voluntarily take a baby from it's environment until it was 8 weeks. BUT, now that other litter mates are leaving and these owners are giving the puppies "milk" (?). Are we really talking about giving puppies cows milk? If so, I would take the pup just for the pure health care of him/her. Human babies shouldn't even get cows milk until after the first year.

It sounds like these people don't give a rip about the health of these pups. You may have to pay the price for that in the future. My Precious had a few health issues. I had to have her treated for diarrhea, runny nose, and both pups were a bit small for breeds her age. There was even concern that she might have to have surgery to elongate her breathing passage. In my case there is no doubt that some of these health issues could have been avoided with proper health care. Thank God, Precious has a clean bill of health now and no need for surgery. But it was not without dedicated care, patients and commitment. I also have to keep in mind that her clean bill of health is only for now. Because of her history, I don't miss a vet appointment or pro-cautionary tests. Believe me, you don't do it this way to save money either. The money I would have spent getting a pup from a good/ reputable breeder has been spent in vet bills, puppy formula and countless other things. I don't regret my decision one bit. You'll get no complaints here, she's worth every bit of it. I just think you should be well informed. I knew just what I was signing up for when I signed up and I was ready to take full responsibility for whatever care she needed, be it financial or physical, and emotional.

I'm no dog expert but the Mother rejecting her pups (probably because she's now in pain and they want to nurse on her) and living in a home where they are not wanted, can't be to emotionally stable for a pups physiological development. I'd say that if you have the dedication, patients and commitment to take care of your puppy, you are more qualified then those morons your pup is with now.

I commend you for opening your heart and home to this puppy! God Bless you!

Keep us Posted!

Precious's Mommy,
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MistressKela
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posted 03-13-2004 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Personally...I would take her. This woman has obviously NO clue as to what she is doing at ALL and the puppy is probably safer at your house than it is at hers. It will be a lot of work but you can buy special puppy formulas to replace the mothers milk and while you're at it...try to steal all the other dogs from that womans house and have them put in better homes =P

The size of the dogs is not a problem at all. I can attest to that...I raised my teacup chihuahua with my 27 pound "standard" poodle. It made him a tough and sturdy chihuahua who can hold his own at the dog park quite well.

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peteroxy
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posted 03-13-2004 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
guess what! i brought "ozzy" home last night! it tore me up so much thinking that he would go another week drinking milk (yes, cow's milk). he's sooo cute albeit tiny. i fed him puppy formula and he lapped it up.

thank you thank you thank you to all of you who responded. i think i made the right choice to pick him up, because i'll do everything in my power to make sure he grows up healthy and happy.

thanks again!! i'll keep you guys posted

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Sunday
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posted 03-13-2004 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunday     Edit/Delete Message
GOOD FOR YOU!!!
Welcome home baby Ozzy!
Congratulations!

Would love to see pictures of your little Ozzy when you get the chance.

Blessings!

Precious's Mommy,
Sunday

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posted 03-14-2004 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3Dogsihave     Edit/Delete Message
Sunday, is that precious now? If so she has gotten so big. I just love the little puppy pictures you always post on her. Anywas sorry to get off topic just being nosy!

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Sunday
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posted 03-14-2004 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunday     Edit/Delete Message
Yeppers! That's my Precious. She is a big girl now! A whopping 7 pounds!!! That picture was taken about 2 weeks ago.

I too love seeing everyone's babies! I'm such a picture person. (But I'd prefer behind it than in front of it)

Thanks for asking,
Sunday

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goofie_newfie686
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posted 03-14-2004 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goofie_newfie686     Edit/Delete Message
Peter, take the high road, SAY NO TO THE PUPPIES. what she is trying to do is keep it a hush hush thing. she doesnt want ANYBODY to know what happend. WALK AWAY!! becasue chances are that she will almost 'deny' ever breeding that dog and will turn you down when you need advice on the breed.
it sounds like a shady dealing to me, it actually sounds like where i nearly got my
FIRST dog from.
do the dogs a favor, say no. There are other REPUTABLE breeders outhtere.
eventhough they are so darn cute now. please say no
Full grown dogs cannot teach a pup, they dont play the same way, they dont react the same way they dont ahve the same energy and they dont give off the same body language.
get the word out on what this women is doing then, educate someone who thinks there doing this dog anygood, its just'fueling the fire'
CLAIRE

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peteroxy
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posted 03-17-2004 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
as you guys already know, i brought ozzy home. he's such a good little boy!! 90% of the time he's using his wee-wee pad. im so pleased. he's also very sweet and loves to give kisses. he's also getting along really really well w/my other two dogs. they play and sleep together. it's great!

i'm gonna post some pics. it's hard to really see his face since his face is black, but i think you can get a good idea of how cute he is.

[This message has been edited by peteroxy (edited 03-17-2004).]

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peteroxy
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posted 03-17-2004 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
Go here to view the little bugger!
http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=820693

[This message has been edited by peteroxy (edited 03-17-2004).]

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posted 03-17-2004 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunday     Edit/Delete Message
Awe!!! How adorable is he!!!! What a doll!

Sounds like you did the right thing. I'm so happy to hear that he is fitting in nicely with his new family. Your post warms my heart! Thanks for sharing your pictures.

Precious's Mommy,
Sunday

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MonsterBailey
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posted 03-17-2004 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MonsterBailey     Edit/Delete Message
awwww peteroxy, you're little ozzy is too cute!! He is already dreaming about a "sharon" I'm sure hehe!
congrats on your new addition.

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puggleowner
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posted 03-18-2004 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for puggleowner     Edit/Delete Message
I think that the fact that you have two other dogs will help a lot is Ozzy's socialization--- if you didn't have any I would really be leary about getting a pup at 4 wks, but your other two should be able to teach him a good deal of what his mother would have. I can't believe the puppy's mother's owners- they sound so so irresponsible- and to get the mom fixed right after the birth of her pups? I have never heard of that- it seems like such a bad idea because of the mother being in pain and not wanting to nurse her puppies, such as what has happened in your case. Maybe it's common to do this, I don't know, but it makes more sense to me to at least wait until the pups aren't dependant on the mom anymore!! I also wanted to comment on the whining thing-- someone had posted that the whining while being in a cage should subside after two days? HA! Our puppy Cameron, a pug/beagle mix, whined for at least 15 minutes every night when put in her cage for at least the first month or two (she is almost a year now). Also, I know she whined when we left her there during the day when we went to work, because I could hear her through the door, but I don't think it lasted more than 20-30 minutes, cause I could never hear it when I would visit at lunch. Anyway, if your pup starts whining in the cage (he may not make much of any noise yet cause he's still so young), don't be discouraged-- it's annoying but it will eventually subside, but in my opinion it takes longer than 2 days!!

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tuttifrutti
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posted 03-18-2004 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuttifrutti     Edit/Delete Message
Ozzy is too cute! And so tiny! Awww...

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PooGirl13
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posted 03-18-2004 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PooGirl13     Edit/Delete Message
What a cutie! Great name too.. he looks like an Ozzy!

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MyBabyShihPoo
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posted 03-18-2004 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyBabyShihPoo     Edit/Delete Message
Congrats Peteroxy~

What a kind deed you have done! It sounds like the transition is going smoothly. I am sure Ozzy is quite thankful for you taking him into your home and providing him with the proper care and attention he deserves and needs!

You have a handsome fellow on your hands, hope all goes well with him!!!

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peteroxy
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posted 03-19-2004 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you to all for the kind words! Ozzy is doing great. Twice today he hopped over to his pee-wee pad and did #2. And 98% of the time now he pees on the pad. I just think he's so smart, being that young and figuring out where he's supposed to go.

Last night he did not whine at all. WOO HOO! I actually had a full night's sleep. The trick, I've discovered, is to keep him penned in the kitchen with my other two dogs. Pete and Roxy (my chihuahuas) are crated at night, but I thought, what the heck, let them roam in the kitchen with Ozzy. It worked!

BTW - Today makes 1 week since I brought him home!!

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