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PITBULL_PRINCESS1979
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posted 03-26-2003 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
Russ,
I am not here to try to change you mind.I am just speaking my opinion.You have the right to believe what ever you want,just as I do.I believe in going to war.I do feel that the reasons have gotten off track,but as long as they pay for what they did I don't care.I don't believe Saddom was the master mind,but he is conected to Osama and that is enough for me.I hope they all burn for what they did.I feel no guilt or saddness for them.He was given his choice and he picked the wrong one.So now he has to pay for it.If we would have killed him the first time we would not be going through this.A mistake on the US's part.We should have done it right the first time.
I feel that if a country is not with us then they are aginst us,so,therefor they can not be trusted.Blow them up too.

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Russ
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posted 03-26-2003 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russ     Edit/Delete Message
I respect your opinion Princess,

I am trying to find some truthful answers, I did find them from a friend in another forum. But I won't get into it here, unless you want to hear it.

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PITBULL_PRINCESS1979
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posted 03-26-2003 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
Russ,
It's up to you if you want to talk about it.I have respect for what you are saying.I like to hear other people input on things.I try very hard not to be a closed minded person.It might not always seem that way...lol..but I try..Feel free to talk about anything.

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Russ
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posted 03-27-2003 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russ     Edit/Delete Message
This is a quote from Robin, a member of our NG. It is whole and uneditted

"> I am trying to find out some information about this war.
>
> 1) Is there evidence as to whom was responsible for the 911 attack?
> 2) What is Bush's #1 reason for going to war with Iraq?
> 3) Are the people of Iraq truely in need of humanitarian help? If so, were
> they before USA attacked?
> 4) What was Bush seniors reason for the Gulf war?


I don't think any of us here have any way of knowing the "truth" of it all.
I certainly have some opinions that I'm sure will not be received well.

First of all let me say that Saddam is definitely a very evil man. He took
over his country in a violent overthrow, and has killed anyone who has
opposed him since. He is a billionaire living off the natural resources of
his country, while his people starve. He is almost certainly in violation
of U.N. resolution 1441 that restricts Iraq from having or manufacturing
chemical and biological weapons. His countrymen need help getting rid of
him. These are points that almost anyone will agree with.

However, it is a violation of international law to invade a country without
prior approval from the U.N. Security Council UNLESS it is in self defense.
International law defines self defense as a response to agression, not a
pre-emptive strike to prevent agression. This is the first time in my
nation's history that it has ever broken that law. There was a resolution
on the table at the U.N. to send peacekeeping forces into Iraq. France and
Russia were two of the major hold outs to this resolution passing. If given
enough time however, this resolution would have surely passed at some point.

Here's where my personal opinions come into play. France was a holdout on
the resolution because they currently have very significant holdings in the
Iraqi oil industry. Russia because Iraq is a big customer for their surplus
military supplies.

The cost of rebuilding Iraq after the war will be high, and it has been
clearly stated that Iraq's oil resources will be taken over to pay for the
rebuilding. Had the U.N. resolution passed, then the all of the member
nations of the U.N. that were part of the peacekeeping forces sent to Iraq,
would be responsible for the rebuilding of Iraq, therefore they would have
all shared Iraqi oil resources. As it stands now, the United States and
Brittain will be responsible for the rebuilding of Iraq, therefore they are
the only two nations that will have rights to Iraq's oil resources. I am of
the opinion that this has ALOT to do with not giving the reolution to send
in peacekeeping forces more time to pass in the U.N.

The Bush's are an old oil family. President Bush has filled his cabinet
with people from the oil industry, and other big business. Most of his
political advisors are captains of industry. Both he and his father are
members of the secret Skull and Crossbones Society at Yale. (this is the
group that the movie The Skulls was based upon)

Even though I recognize that the U.S. is in violation of international law,
I support our troops. I wish that each and every one of them could return
home safe and sound. None of the 19 hijackers responsible for 911 were
Iraqi. 15 of them were from Saudi Arabia (supposed allies) Saddam does
however support terrorism. He gives the families of Iraqi suicide bombers
$25,000, which I am sure is a huge fortune to many of them.

Robin"

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PITBULL_PRINCESS1979
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posted 03-28-2003 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with alot of things she said.They have alot of truth to them.I do not disagree with her about Bush.For what ever reason he wanted to go to war..I don't care.He is taking out a man that supports terrorist.We do not know exactly who did it on 9/11 but I am sure Saddam had something to do with it.
War is bad no matter what,but I do support it.There will be many innocent lives lost,but that is just a sacrifice that will be made .. so more people can live.
This is just how the world we live in works,it sucks,but that is just the way it is.

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shmoopie
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posted 03-28-2003 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
I was wondering where everyone was

This is a very heavy subject that seems well debated. Russ and Pit Princess...you two are getting across very strongly and you both make valid points...good job!

I wanted to point out that I am not sure where my heart falls...I believe Saddam needs to be removed from his position; however, I do not believe Bush's intentions are all that sincere. I would like to see these people saved from their disctator..he's a real jerk. I have many Iranian and Iraqi friends and they are wonderful people who escaped from their country to get away from Saddam. I do not wish for them all to die and think it is very racist a statement to be said...they are not all evil, they are brainwashed and most want the help from the US. It makes me happy to see the Iraqis awaiting the arrival of the Americans and turning on their own dictator.

Why are people stating that they should all die? They are not all evil people...I really don't like to hear that closed minded bull s**t

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PITBULL_PRINCESS1979
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posted 03-28-2003 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
Shmoopie,
I have to disagree..Maybe I should not say they should all die,but they need to go back to their own country..After 9/11 alot of Americans do not feel safe with them here.I am one of them.I feel this way about anyones family that was not born and raised here.I don't trust any of them anymore.you can call me a racest if you life,but that is how I feel.

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Russ
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posted 03-30-2003 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russ     Edit/Delete Message
[quote]
Shmoopie,
I have to disagree..Maybe I should not say they should all die,but they need to go back to their own country..After 9/11 alot of Americans do not feel safe with them here.I am one of them.I feel this way about anyones family that was not born and raised here.I don't trust any of them anymore.you can call me a racest if you life,but that is how I feel.[quote]

Who's country is it? The land of the free as long as you are born here? All Present Americans come from some foreign land and all of them immigrated to America due to conflicts in their homeland, religion, or whatever reason they have. Don't forget, America was created by immigrants.
I think the brainwashed "freedom" is a big reason why so many other countries find USA appealing, but its changing now. Your president is tarnishing your American dream image. He doesn't care either. He want money, thats the 1 and only thing he is after, he doesnt want your support, he has it already by kissing ass to get elected, the presidency is just a tool of his to get the oil. UK is his joe boy.
You will see. Bush cares less about his station ,you as an american and any 3rd world country.

I do agree that Saddam should be removed from power, but then what? Steal away the country's single resource that it has relied on for it's economy? HAHA, when Saddam is gone, the oil will be too, well I mean it will not belong to Irag anymore, Iraq will be a USA controlled country just like Hong Kong was to UK. That is wrong in this day and age.

Why not just kill Saddam and leave the rest to Iraq to deal with?

Won't happen.

Killing them all is a very closed minded statement and it doesn't suit you well. It doesnt suit anyone. They all don't deserve to die for 1 mans actions

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PITBULL_PRINCESS1979
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posted 03-31-2003 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
Russ,
I do agree with you on leaving the oil to Iraq to deal with.It is theirs and should remain theirs.My issues are not with the oil,my issues are with the S.O.B.'s that killed all are people on 9/11.As for Bush..I did not vote for him.What he does,he will have to answer to GOD,not me...
Your right not all of them should die,but if we have to kill them all to get the right one,then so be it.
You are also right about America was founded by immigrants,but my family has been in this country for hundreds of years.I am sick of my tax dollars paying for all these people to start their own buisness and going to school,when I as an American have to work very hard ever day just to keep my head above the water.I am sick of them comming over here and taking all of our jobs.I am sorry if you can't speak english then they need to stay in their own country.It's not my fault that their country is poor,but them comming over here is hurting us Americans.
Why should my family have to do with out so the government can give all these people my money?Sorry,but they need to keep their a**es in their own country.You don't see me trying to go where they live.Their problems should not become my countries problem.

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Russ
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posted 03-31-2003 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russ     Edit/Delete Message
I think Bush is giving alot of people a good reason to get the hell out of their country and flee for their lives.

This so called war is not a war, it is an illegal INVASION

America wouldn't let all these new immigrants come to your country if it wasn't good for your country.

A large number of them do bring big money into your economy and alot do invest in property and business. It's these ones that you don't hear about and the ones that sponge off the system that you do hear about.

Illegal aliens that cross the border illegally do not count either.

Political refugees need a break. Obviously where they are coming from is a hell. Would you turn away a starving homeless dog? Well thats what these people are similar too.

If they didn't have jobs, they would be on social assistance/welfare and that would be even worse than being employed and helping out the economy.

If you feel they are stealing jobs, well, maybe they tried harder to get it and maybe they are more qualified to have it. Maybe they take the jobs Americans don't want.

Just because one is American does not guarantee them a job.

I think you should read between the lines a bit more and not be so quick to judge peoples reasons for coming to your once great country. It is attitudes like yours that is quickly making USA become a hated culture among the other free countrys in this world.

Ignorance will only beget one thing, more ignorance.

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Albert
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