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posted 02-26-2003 05:04 PM         

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Albert,
Thank you for the article.It was very good,even though I do not agree with some of the things he said.I learned a few new things.Thank you again.

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posted 03-01-2003 03:20 PM           

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Shmoopie, A dog can be born with a genetic predisposition to be highly defensive or highly prey driven, or highly dominant, which can lead to a dog biting someone, which I guess would be considered "mean". And your dog wasn't "unstable" as a puppy, he was acting like a normal puppy. Normal puppies practice being dogs, and this includes "play fighting". They learn bite inhibition, and how far they can go with other dogs before they get "put in their place". Sometimes (especially with bull breeds) this involves a lot of growling, biting, and other behaviors that people might see as aggressive, but it doesn't mean that it is. And if he was "awesome" with other dogs after you had socialized him after that (until he was attacked) then it's highly unlikely that he actually was fighting with ther other pups. It's also common for dogs to become suspicious of other dogs after they've been atacked by one... the "I'll get you before you get me" attitude. And you can't EVER "take an instinct out" of a dog... it's inborn and the best that you can do is learn how to make them control it. That sounds like what you've done with him. There's nothing wrong with that, but you have NOT changed his instinct to kill other dogs IF it was "in" his genetic make-up. It very well may not be, or it may be, and you've simply taught him to control himself. Also, about the visit fro mthe other dogs, many dog aggressive dogs can co-exist with and even like other dogs that they've been properly introduced to, as long as those dogs don't challenge them or threaten them. It doesn't mean that they will always tolerate every dog that they meet. What you said about making him a fighting dog is also not entirely true, as being aggressive towards other dogs has nothing to do with a dog being a fighter. Many fighting dogs (even those who have aready been fought) can co-exist with other dogs with no problems, unless they feel that they are challenged. They will live peacefully with females, pups, even subordinate males. Of course, not all are like that, but some are. One more thing, being dog aggressive does not make a pit bull (or any bull breed) unstable, it's considered an acceptable trait in the breed. Being human aggressive (ie: growling, biting, snapping, snarling, etc without there being a direct and real threat upon them or "their people") does.

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posted 03-02-2003 03:47 PM           

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Weird how they blame a person on raising their pits to be aggressive. I own 3 pits, 2 male & 1 female. I also own 2 toy poodles, & 1 pekingese. All of them get along, I've raised them all in the same way, However 1 of the male pits is very mean around people he doesn't know. And he has even bit 2 people already. I know I didn't train him to attack, but since he was a puppy, he's been very shy around other people. Now he has to remain tied up, away from reach of people. I would't want him to attack anyone else, or to have him put to sleep. And I wouldn't want to get blamed for raising him to attack. Cause I know they would say that, Even though all I've ever done is love him.
But I don't think people should be the blame of their dogs actions, Unless it is something done on purpose. Our pets have a mind of their own. And sometimes we really don't know how they think.

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posted 03-03-2003 11:36 AM         

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i am sorry Barbie,but I have to disagree with you.You may not have taught him to attack.But something has bond to happen to him sense you have had him to make him this way.

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posted 03-03-2003 01:33 PM         

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Goob,

Thank you for your insite to my dogs behavior problem. I certainly do agree with you on all of your points. Are you currently a trainer or behaviorist because you blew me away with your last post!

Barbie...that is sad that the dog must remain tied up away from people. Have you spoken with anyone about this problem?...would you be interested in learning how to curb that aggression?

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posted 03-03-2003 02:32 PM         

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goob,
I just wanted to complament you on your above post.I agree with alot of your points.I do want to say I am sorry if any of my earlyer posts were rude towards you.I also wanted to say even if I do not agree with some of the things you have said,I do have respect for you.

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posted 03-03-2003 10:56 PM           

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Barbie, you ARE aware that if someone comes into your yard and he bites them, you're still responsible for his biting them, right? You may not have "made" him that way, but you've chosen to keep him, and it's your responsibility to keep both him and the public safe. What if he snaps his tie-out one day? It's your decision if you want to own a human aggressive pit bull (or any dog), but people (other dog owners, your neighbors, the local government) will have a problem if you're jeopardizing other people's safety by confining him in a way that he COULD escape, or someone COULD walk up to him and get bitten, and it happens. It would be great if you could find a better way to confine him (like a crate in the house, or a kennel run with boards around the sides so people can't stick their hands in if he HAS to be outside), get him evaluated by someone (or several people) who knows the breed, and take their advice, even if it's not what you want to hear. Also, keep in mind that if he bites someone, there's a chance that your other 2 pit bulls could also be impounded, and maybe PTS, especially if you can't prove they weren't involved. And if he hasn't been neutered yet, that is important, because there is absolutely NO need for more possibly human aggressive pit bulls, and accidents can happen, even with the most careful of people.

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posted 03-03-2003 11:08 PM           

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Thanks pitbull_princess and Shmoopie And I agree, even if we don't feel the same about something, that that doesn't mean that there haven't been valid points made, and gotten everybody thinking. And Shmoopie, I'm not a trainer or behaviorist, but I'd love to do something along those lines once I'm done with school ;D

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posted 03-07-2003 04:38 PM         

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Goob, I bet you'd be great at it! You show great knowledge on this subject and continue to impress me with your cool confidence...good luck!

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posted 04-13-2003 01:47 AM         

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C-mon people. Wake up.
You all are saying oh its the kids fault, a pitbull would never do this if not prevoked. One of you even said that pitbulls are not aggresive toward people. Well if there not then why is it that you dont hear of all other breeds attacking kids while walking home.

You all need to open your eyes and educat yourself a little more on pits before you go saying they are just as good family pets as any other dogs.

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posted 04-13-2003 02:26 AM         

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educat yourself a little more on pits before you go saying they are just as good family pets as any other dogs

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You're right... they're BETTER family pets than other dogs They have high pain tolerance, great bite inhibition (meaning they are highly unlikely to bite a human), and most greet strangers like long lost friends... no need to worry about them biting your kid's friend when they show up to play. YOU need to educate yourself on pit bulls... they were bred to be non-aggressive towards humans... leading to an extremely stable breed today. You don't hear about other breeds attacking kids walknig home from school because the media knows you won't be as interested in a poodle attack as you would be in a "pit bull" attack. SImple

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posted 04-14-2003 01:28 PM         

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Well spoken Goob...I could not have said it better myself!

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posted 04-14-2003 02:54 PM           

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Yes Goob, I like your style.
I am too abrasive, haha

Jlong,
Vets are trained on human anatomy for 4 years and then animal anatomy, not psychology or how to train animals.

If I was a doctor, would I be a psychologist also?

You training to get into the vet field really scares me.

PB aren't perfect. No dog is.
It is 100% the masters liability for the dog, in all cases. If it's a bit timid around people, "DON"T TAKE IT OUT IN PUBLIC"
if it has growled or bitten "PUT A MUZZLE ON IT"
if it is dog aggressive" DON'T TAKE IT TO PUBLIC PARKS"
if it jumps the fence when you let it out to pee " PUT IT ON A LEASH"
if kids poke it through the fence "DON'T LEAVE IT OUTSIDE UNSUPERVISED"

all common sense.

You are not an expert on dogs, let alone PB's.

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posted 10-09-2003 10:47 AM         

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When it comes to dogs, you cant always rely on the news. They do not always get or tell the full story. I met these people that had a very sweet and loveable pitbull. Now, I love pitbulls but whenever I meet a new one, there is always that hesitation of what kind of temperment the dog has. ANY dog can be aggressive but since its "in their blood," pitbulls have the worse reputation. Anyway, I knew right from the start how loveable this pit was. Well, after knowing the people for a good amount of time, we trusted how they raised their pitbull. He was a great dog. One day the family came home from a day out with their dog. The dog was in the car and was excited. Well anyway, a kid was teasing the dog and the dog went to play and tried to grab the kids ankle. (Because thats how they played with the dog) So the news story said that the dog attacked the kid and it was all the dogs fault. The news never mentioned that the kid was teasing the dog and they only got one side of the story. Also the kid's parents said (on the news) that they probably just came back from a dog fight. (I know these people, they had 6 pitbulls and would never harm any of them.) The news story also never mentioned that the doc said it looked like the kid broke/or hurt his leg from the fall and not the dog. (the kid fell from running) Also, i was told that if a dog wanted to harm/kill, that the dog would go for the neck, and this dog did not. So.. all i can say is that this poor, harmless dog was put to sleep for NO reason at all. May he rest in peace! Also I love pitbulls! My brother has 4 and i have 1. They are all as sweet as can be and would never harm!

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posted 10-09-2003 01:50 PM         

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Guys I am closing this topic as it was a very heated topic in the past. If you wish to stqart a new topic on the same subject go ahead. But I dont want the new guys coming on here and getting upset at thing that have been said in the past. Just wanted to let you guys know why i was closing it.
Thanks guys and thanks for making Auspet what it is today.
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