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mdslinger69
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posted 02-26-2004 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdslinger69     Edit/Delete Message
i have been to and ran a hog catch competition. they are not bad as people think, they do have some poorly organized catches, butmost are pretty safe. At our comp. all the hogs are de-tusked in the same way they are at a sale barn, and all hogs have thier shots and any hogs that are hurt get put into a seperate stall where they are properly attended to by a vet.The dog rarely gets hurt, its almost 1 out of a 1000. the dog is in the ring between 5 to 10 seconds by itself, until one of the 4 ring workers has the hog on its side and the dog removed.These comp. are a family orinented and a fun thing to attend.Hogs are pests, they serve virtually no purpose but food and now for catch comp. Its 100 times better than fighting dogs on dogs, and by having these catches more people are turning away from fighting and coming to catching comps. this is great for the dogs, in almost every dog on dog fight one dies. this is cruel, to me catching comp. is far from it.

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Rio_and_me
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posted 02-26-2004 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rio_and_me     Edit/Delete Message
Sick person you are.
There is still an animal being harmed, and being in pain.
just because it is a pest does not mean it deseveres this.
it is only for entertain ment, and it just sickens me, if you are a parent and saying this is for familys then i say you are a bad parent.....

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posted 02-26-2004 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unseen     Edit/Delete Message
Im no expert, but I think if you have nothing better to do than watch two animals fight your pretty lame and should try getting a life that dosent include animals.

I dont mean to sound mean but geez.......

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mdslinger69
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posted 02-26-2004 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdslinger69     Edit/Delete Message
you people just dont get it. its not for the thrill of watching animals fight, they are not fighting, fighting last a few minutes, this last seconds. and get a life you said? i have one, it pay about 25,000 a comp. its not about watching "animals fight" so you say, its about teaching you dog and devoting time to something you love, its not some sick thrill ride, its a part of our southern tradition. Dont talk bad about it to you go to one, have a dog, or get cut by a hog.If you have land, wait till hogs take it over, i lost my dairy to hogs and almost my house, they took over and destroyed all my crops and would chase my livestock for miles.i was in dept for years, they destroyed 70 acres of corn in one night. Hogs can have up to 30 pigs a year, imagine this in you surbourban neighborhood or your hunting lease. IF you have hogs you have no deer or much other game, hogs a dominate and they will run everything off.

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mdslinger69
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posted 02-26-2004 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdslinger69     Edit/Delete Message
another thing to the family event part. you take a kid that lives in a bad part of town, what do you think he will most probaly end up doing, ...getting in a gang,doing drugs, shooting someone??? now take that kid and give him a dog, let him work with him day in and day out and bring him to a hog catch and let him see his hard work paying off, he sees progress in what he does, he is in a positive enviroment with good people, not doing drugs, shooting people, etc. Now is hog catching really that bad. Another thing, the hog getting hurt.... a hogs skin in tougher than that of a elephant, more than half the time when the hog is caught the skin is barely even scratched. Its not like the hogs are mangled to peices and left for dead.Dont judge what you dont know

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jamie
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posted 02-26-2004 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jamie     Edit/Delete Message
i think people need to find out what its really about before they start calling people they dont know sick. mdslinger do u know any websites explaning what goes on at these events so we can look and learn abit about it. ill decide if in my opinion if its crule when i know what im talking about.

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posted 02-26-2004 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdslinger69     Edit/Delete Message
i think they are some , if you go to a search engine and type in pitbull hog competitions you will find a few.
~~~jamie

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chickee
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posted 02-26-2004 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chickee     Edit/Delete Message
This competition is not uncommon! Geez'O man kiddos! If you know not what you speak, don't. Many people down south do this because of the overwhelming damage these hogs do to land. A LOT of people don't have this problem, like me for instance. We don't have them in Pennsylvania, we are over populated by deer. Maybe some of you people need to educate yourselves on some of the things pit bulls are used for before you have a heart attack. I'll try and see if I can find some links.

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posted 02-26-2004 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chickee     Edit/Delete Message
hi, double posted

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True_Pits
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posted 02-27-2004 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
Hog Hunting is very common, just as Hogs are very common. Hogs can be deadly and cause a lot of damage, population control is needed as with any animal. Hunting has been around since life has begun. Dogs were domesticated for mans use. One reason beings for aid in hunting. I don't see how people can act this way and call this sick. I just don't understand.

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in almost every dog on dog fight one dies.

But then again there is no reason to lie about something else to make your sport look better or more exceptable.

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texmex83
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posted 02-27-2004 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for texmex83     Edit/Delete Message
mdslinger69
I belive in what you say. Hogs in East Texas are making a BIG come back. Though they are not the same" piney woods rutter" they they were before. They have ruiend about 50 acres at my house. we are starting to get ahandle on them here at my house, but man they are still tearing up my deer lease. until any of you tree hugging, fur is murder idiotshave you land destoryed dont hate appricate.

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billybobpit
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posted 03-02-2004 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for billybobpit     Edit/Delete Message
hi
im new at this site but anyway this is for
mdslinger69. Hey dont listen to what anyone that say its not right hot hunt or enter comp. with your dog. Your only revealing to your pit what its original purpose was for. There is no shame in what your doing just make sure you keep your dogs safe ive seen what hogs can do to dogs and im sure you have to and i wouldnt want that to happen to mine.

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posted 03-03-2004 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rio_and_me     Edit/Delete Message
They may be a big pest and agree that they have to be culled, but why that way, why not a simple bullet to the head? do not say its to hard because it isnt, its humane and does corse as much pain as being ripped apart, and your dog wont get hurt at all, and your not greating a bad unpredictable dog.
there is no excuse to what you do it is wrong and sick
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Samsintentions
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posted 03-03-2004 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
Speaking from experiance....
Hogs can do more damage to a dog than the dog will do to the hog. IF I was lucky enough to find someone to hunt these pests off our land and hunting land, I'd pay them big bucks. We've lost acres of coastal hay feilds, oat pastures, and crops.
And like mentioned, they breed like rabbits. A female can have up to 15-20 babies in one litter, and will breed twice a year. Normally there are 10-50 pigs in one group....you do the math....

Yes its sounds horrible. But a hog is a very strong and agressive beeing. We trap and sell, as well as butcher. To let you know how strong they are.... My friend shot one 7 times and it never stopped running. We had to hunt it down to kill it so it wouldn't suffer. now that my friends is STRONG.

I've never personally used dogs, but I have watched an event like this one meantioned. I don't personally enjoy it, nor like it. But it is an effective method of use.

Anyone with a hog problem knows the HUGE financial losses involved with them. THey eat and root up everything, kill livestock, especially new born calves and puppies, kittens ect...
HOgs aren't herbavores like people think, they eat meat as well. My family has lost many chickens and calves to them. WE drove up on a "herd" of javalenas (sp??) tearing a new calf to shreds.....

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posted 03-03-2004 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
but hogs dont die in hog catching competitions. and when people really hunt with them the dogs still just hold the hog. most of the people that i know just use a knife, would you want to risk putting one in your dog? and i dont see how this would create a "bad unpredictable dog".....do you know how long people have been doing this?? it's just another way dogs help us. people have used dogs for this type of thing for centuries. most terriers were bred for some form of hunting. that's why they have a naturally high prey drive.

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but why that way, why not a simple bullet to the head?
im not trying to pick on you rio and me, but its really not that simple. i hunt hogs but not with my dog, and it pretty much always takes more than one shot to drop them. they're about as game as most pits. plus its not easy to get a head shot from 100 yards out and you can't get to close because they will run off or charge at you.

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its humane and does corse as much pain as being ripped apart
the dogs dont "rip them apart" pits that are good at this sort of thing get a good hold and keep it. being shot more than once wouldn't feel too great either. if you hunt you can't think like that, what about bow hunting? think about how that would feel. getting shot with an arrow would really hurt alot.

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there is no excuse to what you do it is wrong and sick
please dont say things like this until you read about it. these comments really offend people, if you gotta say stuff like this you should start the sentence by saying in my opinion.....are you talking about comps or hunting? either way neither one of those things is sick. you should read more before you make such harsh judjments.

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texmex83
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posted 03-03-2004 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for texmex83     Edit/Delete Message
Rio and me.
who are you to say what we are doing is wrong?? Do you live in the country where you have to sell hay, and grow crops, just to stay ahead of the game?? Apparently not. If you ever came upon a herd of wild hogs, with the adults weighing as much as 500-700 lbs? their skin is tough and you cant kill them with one shot on most occasions. And ever dog that I have ever came in contact with my whole life of hog hunting, has been just as stable as the best of any breed. Until you lose money, livestock and land to the pest keep your rude comments to your self. because you dont have to live with these beasts.

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posted 03-03-2004 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
This is developing into a pretty good debate. At least its intellegent and put very well. Its crazy when people assume things or talk against something they know nothing about.
Pits hardly rip anything apart, its their instinct to hold. And dogs have been used for 100s of years to hunt including holding. That is where kill hounds came in. Looks at Ridgebacks they are not unpredictable. Look back and see how dogs have helped people by hunting, including doing the holding or have even been used as gladiators but don't have an unpredictable temperament. I think sometimes people make things up as they go along. People shouldn't make statements without getting all the facts straight.

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posted 03-04-2004 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cricket     Edit/Delete Message
Now, I aint no expert on og hunting, but I just dont see a 50lb, or maybe even a 100lb dog ripping apart a 700 pound hog. From what you guys say, they are pest. For all you people putting the sport down, what would you do if you had a big rat in your house eating all your food? Kill it right, thats all these people are doing.

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posted 03-05-2004 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Cricket.
And for those worried about the dogs, everyone I know has Guards, vests, and thick collars for protection on their dogs.

The way it works, and from the hunts I've been on, you have four dogs, not neccessarilly pitts, that will track them down and corner them. One dog usually a larger pitt, or curr, will be released after its cornered (I've even seen labs and Shepards used) will go and hold the hog until the hunter can kill it.

THye don't torture them intentionally nor do it for fun, its as quick as possible, highly effective and everyone I know uses the whole hog when butchering. There is no waste.

The only other alternatives Iknow about is poisoning and trapping. Trapping is effective, but in most terrains, you cann not load a wild hog from a trap with out getting hurt, they escape, ect.....

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posted 03-05-2004 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdslinger69     Edit/Delete Message
i just wanted to thank everyone that supported me on some way and to you that didnt thank you too. its always nice to know what other people say when they dont konw what they are talking about. Again in our comp dogs are never hurt unless they suffer from something proir to our events. Hogs tusks are trimmed backor removed. most comp hands are too affraid of the hog so they just put them out with no dental plan, but we have been doing this for awhile and we do it right. about the quote about just shoot the hog in the head.... thats for one thing hard as hell, hows have a very small brain and its hard to hit it. also hogs have a high pain tolerance and if you dont hit them right they cold come and kill you why you keep trying to kill it, they dont stop for anything, someone put a dead deer in the hog pin one time and they looked like paranas ** they tore it to peices and there was nothing left, imagaine if your kid was in the woods or you were and you ran into a few hogs, nothing to look forward to huh. Another thing, if you shoot a hog and dont hitit right it could run forever and then you lose the hog, its waste. even if you do find it the next day which is probaly not going to happen because can live with most shoots, the meat will be ruined.And you bigger boar hogs you cannot eat b/c of their smell, they mut be cut when they are appox. 50 lbs. So just shooting them in the head is not a option, especially since i never seen a hog just walking through the woods, only caught them in traps or hunting them in the woods with dogs or at our comp.

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posted 03-07-2004 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdslinger69     Edit/Delete Message
if anyone wants any more information on these events go to www.2theadvocate.com.

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