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puggleowner
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From:Grand Rapids, MI
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posted 02-25-2004 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for puggleowner     Edit/Delete Message
I've been posting over at the Toy Dog sight lately and I'm afraid I'm not making any friends....some of the posts though just baffle me- maybe it's because I don't own a "toy" dog, but for example, this one person posted and was all upset because his puppy was like a pound and 1/2 bigger than he had expected it to grow. I don't understand the big deal-- who cares how big your dog gets? Especially if it's still under 8 pounds even with the extra two pounds? If someone with a smaller dog can explain to me the importance of having your dog be teeny tiny, other than fitting into the breed standard if he/she is a show dog, I would greatly appreciate it, because I don't understand !

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elizavixen
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From:Columbia, SC, USA
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posted 02-25-2004 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for elizavixen     Edit/Delete Message
I was watching a case about this the other day on the Peoples Court. The woman was complaining and suing for thousands of dollars because her dog was a whopping 10 lbs. The breeder said he would only be about 8 lbs. Needless to say, I was stumped. The woman didn't win her case.

I don't have toy dogs. I have St. Bernards so I think any dog under 100 lbs is tiny.

My take on it is that it is more of a status type thing. They pay big $$$ for a "toy" dog so they want a "toy". Whatever that means.

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Rene
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From:Oakley, CA 94561 USA
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posted 02-25-2004 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rene     Edit/Delete Message
i think people get upset about 2 lbs because they want to go by what the AKC says for Breed Standards. 2lbs is alot if you are going to show the dog. (i think) I have 2 yorkies sebastain is 7 lbs and Jasmine is 4.5lbs they are both 1 year old i have been told that i should not breed them because Sebastain has a under bite which is not breed standards but i'm not going to breed them to be show dogs i'm going to breed them for pets i know 6 people who want one of my puppies when they breed. And i know the people that i'm going to sell them to are not going to breed or show them. I know i'm going to get alot of stuff for not breeding to the AKC standard but my friends want loving little dogs like mine

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Rene
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posted 02-25-2004 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rene     Edit/Delete Message
PS: i also have a rotty that got to be 115lbs they told me she would be about 89lbs big difference but i love her to death anyway and would not make her loose weight unless she was over weight the vet say's she is fine.

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Jamiya
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posted 02-25-2004 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
Your female is quite a bit smaller than your male. Have you checked with the vet to make sure it would be wise to breed them? You wouldn't want your baby to have problems with a large puppy.


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Rene
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posted 02-25-2004 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rene     Edit/Delete Message
I did ask the vet she said she cant predict something like that she said the doctors told her she couldnt have kids and she has 2 but before i do breed them i will get a second opion no i dont want to hurt my little girl with to big of pups

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3Dogsihave
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posted 02-25-2004 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3Dogsihave     Edit/Delete Message
I have two toy dogs but dont particulary care about their size. I didnt buy them to be tiny but they are anyway. I think some people get upset when they are told their dog would weigh 4 lbs and pay a few hundred more and then its not that little. Just my guess. Alot of people are looking for a smaller dog these days not sure for what reason but as long as the dog is healthy and they love them I dont see the problem.

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nern

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posted 02-25-2004 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nern     Edit/Delete Message
My mother's "toy" poodle grew up to be 25lbs....she does'nt seem to mind.

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Jas

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posted 02-25-2004 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
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i have been told that i should not breed them because Sebastain has a under bite which is not breed standards but i'm not going to breed them to be show dogs i'm going to breed them for pets i know 6 people who want one of my puppies when they breed. And i know the people that i'm going to sell them to are not going to breed or show them. I know i'm going to get alot of stuff for not breeding to the AKC standard but my friends want loving little dogs like mine

A show dog should be a pet before it is anything else. Have you ever questioned why correct bites are part of the breed standard?? Why do you think it's important to have a good bite? The teeth must align in order to function properly. Most malocclusions are hereditary did you know that? What if your dogs produce worse bites than the parents? I have seen dogs in my breed (and other) need the majority of their lower teeth removed because of a severe bad bite? How could you knowingly & responsibly breed two animals that could cause medical problems as well create unnecessary and expensive vet bills for your puppy owners? A bite is not strictly a cosmetic concern it serves a functional purpose. A bad bite interferes with chewing and tearing food and unaligned teeth can injure other parts of the mouth.

There is no doubt your dog is good enough to make a wonderful companion and produce nicely behaved dogs. This should not be the reason to breed. There are thousands of dogs like this but sadly many never get lucky enough to have an owner to love them. Tell your friends that shelters/rescue have lots of cute little dogs already that can be trained and raised to be just like yours.

Maybe you should take notice of those who advise you NOT to breed. A bad bite is certainly a good enough reason NOT to.

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Jas

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posted 02-25-2004 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
p.s.
If you seriously "must" breed would it be so difficult to find a suitable stud for your bitch that does fit the AKC standard and doesn't have health/medical concerns?? There is a lot more to becoming a show dog than fitting the breed standard but disregarding the breed standard because you want to "breed them for pets" is simply irresponsible.

What will you say to your puppy people who decide a year or two later that their "pet" is also good enough to breed? What's to stop them? How will you explain to them its okay for you to breed "pet" quality puppies but not them?

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Rene
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posted 02-25-2004 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rene     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the info i didnt' know that it was a health issue (underbite) someone on this board is the one who said i should not breed. My vet has said nothing about him haveing a health issue with his underbite she simply he has an underbite. and everytime we go there she says she loves his face his underbite is cute. You can't always see it sometimes i think he does it on purpose sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not. I will ask my vet if it is a health issue for him or not. Also i'm not sure i want to breed still i'm just thinking about it i still have a lot of research to do and also jasmine is only 4.5lbs that does kinda scare me.

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GinaH
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posted 02-29-2004 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GinaH     Edit/Delete Message
I just wanted to add that I have 5 month old pekingese and she already weighs 16lbs and both her parents were much smaller...But...My husband likes to go to Mcdonalds quite a bit and every time he goes he always brings home a cheeseburger for my pekingese so there ya go that's why she's a "Lil Fatty" but I dont really care how big she gets I love her just the same.

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susan_cude@hotmail.com
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posted 02-29-2004 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for susan_cude@hotmail.com     Edit/Delete Message
Hi! I believe it's a status thing for some. I personally don't understand that! but it is amazing what some will pay for a "toy" dog. I have a mini dachshund, she is small but I do not starve her to keep her that way. I watched a program once that showed how these so called breeders were making teacup puppies "they would starve the mother" so she would have small (and unhealthy pups) it makes me sick!!! I think you can go both ways on this! you have to be careful too that you don't over feed your dogs so they have joint and other problems as well. I saw a mini dachshund a while back that was so fat she could barely move! that dog could not have been in good health.

just my opinion....Susan

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susan_cude@hotmail.com
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posted 02-29-2004 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for susan_cude@hotmail.com     Edit/Delete Message
Please don't get me wrong! I love yorkies and teacup poodles and all the others, I was just saying for those people who buy those dogs simply for size and considering nothing else, those are the people I have a problem with. If I wanted a yorkie or whatever bad enough, I would pay the price for it. But not so I could fit into some group of desiner dog owners...that's all i'm saying...

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