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debslegacyofgold
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posted 10-15-2003 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for debslegacyofgold     Edit/Delete Message
Hey all im new here!!anyway, i have a 11 mo old aussie female (Reba) She isnt a very good eater i have switched her food a few times to find something she likes..i switched to Iams dog food..she seems to be eating it pretty well, she is awful thin and her hair coat isnt very good, she has been wormed recently..anyway, my question to you all is...Have any of you used Iams dog food? and Is it pretty good? ive been told it isnt the very best but by far not the worst...any info would b great..and if yall have any ideas on what i could feed my active girl to pick up some wieght that would be great...also she is spayed too...thanks,Sammi

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Maisey
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posted 10-15-2003 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Deb and welcome to the board, There are many topics on here about foods, if you sift through them you will get an earfull. I would not feed Iams or Science Diet for anything. Just my opinion. I suggest you do some research on commercial dog foods and nutrition, especially if your girl is having weight issues or is "finicky", she may be trying to tell you something.
I have three dogs, the one who has had issues and been a lousy eater is now eating Canine Caviar, it is great for dogs that have allergy issues, as it doesn't contain the ingredients most associated with allergen problems. My dog loves it and is now eating well. My Aussie X and Catahoula X pup are both eating Canidae and doing very well on it. I'll post the links to these and other sites below so you can do your own research.

http://www.canidae.com/ http://www.canidae.com/


This is the link for Innova/California Naturals web site. These are also excellent foods, but I like to use their "Ingredient Wizard". Grab your bag of dog food and go through the list, looking up each one. They have ingredients listed with explanations that they dont' even use in their foods. They also have a feature where you can compare foods ingredient lists, once you learn what you are looking for in a dog food this will be really helpful.
http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=home-tab

Lastly, The Whole Dog Journal is where I started my education, it was eye openeing to say the leaste. I now have a subscription and look forward to it each month. It covers many issues and topics having to do with dogs, but their Top Dog Foods List is something every dog food manufactuer wants to be on, they explain very well what to look for in a good food.
http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/index.html

You may also want to learn about feeding raw. Look up the BARF diet.

Hope this helps some, Maisey

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posted 10-15-2003 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
OOOPS sorry I forgot the link to the Canine Caviar. http://www.caninecaviar.com/

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posted 10-15-2003 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuttifrutti     Edit/Delete Message
My Aussie lived for 16 yrs. on Science Diet, she loved it! She was really healthy, till the last yr. When she got sum disease w/ her fur (can't remember what it was called) It didn't all grow back after we got it shaved for the summer (since we live in Texas ) She ended up dying of a stroke, cuz the vet (who i no longer like much ) didn't tell us she had a heart murmur! O well, she was a really healthy dog otherwise, u might want 2 check in2 a disease w/ the fur, sry i can't remember what it was called

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posted 10-15-2003 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
ditto, here on the food, I would not feed Iams. My lab is on innova with great results


Maisey, I got on canine caviar web site, interesting that they are big in S Calif but dont sell in Nor CA. and then sell in all of Oregon.

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posted 10-15-2003 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nern     Edit/Delete Message
I would try her on a food with more calories. Which Iams formula are you currently using? Iams Adult has 381 kcal/cup so I would look for something higher than that (if thats the formula your using). Maisey has mentioned a some good brands above.

Here are some higher calorie brands:
Innova - 557 kcal/cup
California Natural Chicken&Rice - 511 kcal/cup
Natural Balance - 485 kcal/cup
Canidae - 466 kcal/cup
Solid Gold Mmellenia - 456 kcal/cup

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posted 10-15-2003 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeminn     Edit/Delete Message
Sammy, I have an aussie too- she is 6 months old and a black tri. I feed AvoDerm, skin and coat formula and have been very happy with this food. She is not a big eater, and neither is my 16 year old husky. Both are free-fed, and at a healthy weight, but they nibble more than anything. I just like this food because their coats are nice and shiny, and my husky had very dry skin before I started her on this food. So, this worked for me. There are a lot better options out there for foods than Iams or Science Diet- I would not feed either. I went to a good, high quality pet shop and tried all the samples first before I decided on one. I let my dogs get hungry then put out all the bowls with different samples in each one (and left the bags under each bowl so I could remember) and let them sniff-and try them out. AvoDerm hit the spot, as did several others. I just opted to go with a skin and coat formula for my situation.

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debslegacyofgold
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posted 10-15-2003 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for debslegacyofgold     Edit/Delete Message
OK..WELL I HAVENT EVER HEARD OF MOST OF THOSE DOG FOODS..THE ONES IVE HEARD OF IS SCIENCE DIET....THE IAMS IM USING AT THE MOMENT IS FOR PUPPIES..I JUST BAUGHT IT 3 DAYS AGO..AND IS THE FIRST BAG IVE TRIED..BEFORE I WAS USEING THE CHEAPER BRANDS DUE TO FUNDS AT THE MOMENT..PURINA WAS OK..BUT MAN DID SHE POOP ALOT..AND HER HAIR COAT DOESNT LOOK LIKE IT SHOULD...I WILL FINISH UP THIS BAG OF IAMS AND SEE HOW SHE LOOKS..AND MAYBE TRY SOMETHING ELSE
OUT.HAVE ANY OF YOU TRIED..EUCANUBA? HOW IS THAT? IVE HEARD ALOT OF GREAT THINGS ABT IT...OTHER WISE MY CHOICES ARE SLIM..OTHER THAN..EUCANUBA,SCIENCE DIET,IAMS OR CHEAPER BRANDS SUCH AS PURINA/POOPINALOT...LOL...CANT DO ANY ORDERING ...THANKS FOR ALL YOU INPUT ALL..I APPRECIATE AND TAKE TO HEART ALL ADVISE..IVE NEVER IN ALL MY LIFE HAD A PUP HAVE THIS PROB ON ANY FOOD..

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posted 10-15-2003 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
When I first got dogs I tried the brands you have mentioned only becuase of t.v. comercials not because I did any research. Plus Avoderm. I switched about 2 years ago I think to Innova, which has cured itchy skin and stomache problems. Go to the Innova site and do a search for a store near you that sells it or possibly one of the other foods mentioned. The best foods will not be found at Pet-co or any of the commercial pet places. They are the smaller independant stores. Nern has some good choises down below.
If there is not a store in your city put in a neighboring city zip code, try a few of them. I just put in Idahoe and found 6 stores.
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Maisey
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posted 10-16-2003 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Deb, you will find those brands that I mentioned along with others in the same quality category at places like grooming shops, small pet shops, feed stores etc. If you look at the web sites they will have a section where you can find out who carries their food. I pay $32.95 for a 40 pound bag of Canidae, my dogs eat less of it and definately poop less. Thats less than $1 a pound and it is very worth it to me in the long run. I have a healthier dog. It doesn't have all the filler that they get nothing from, so they eat less of it. Canine caviar is new to this area and I am getting it for $2.99 for a 5lb bag as an introductory special. I understand being strapped for cash and being on a budget, trust me I do, but this has proven well worth the few extra dollars. I also did the taste test with my dogs, I went to a grooming shop that sells most of the brands I had been researching and got free samples of all that I wanted to try. It was funny that all three of my dogs (tested seperately) liked the same foods.
Have you taken your pup to a vet? Is she obviously under weight or just lean? I know I think my Aussie mix looks thin, I have since the day I got him. I asked my vet once how to get him to gain weight and he laughed at me...he said Dooley is the kind of dog that even if I hog tied him and only fed him ice cream he would'nt gain weight, he would manage to stay trim blinking his eyelids rapidly. The dog is in constant motion. My vet said he was in awesome weight and health. He plays flyball and pretty much lean long muscle. I don't like seeing his ribs at all, but I know he is healthy.

Another food that I have heard good things about and I don't remember having any issues with the ingredients, is Chicken Soup for the Dogs Soul. It is a little lower in price I think. A friend of mine feeds her dog this and the dog loves it.

Other good foods:
TimberWolf Organics
Wellness
Solid Gold
Artemis
Go! Natural
Royal Canin
Prairie
Verus
Bench and Field
Burns
Natural Balance
Azmira Classic
Eagle Pack Holistic select
Flint River Ranch
Lifespan
Pinnacle
Wysong maintenance

I wish I could convey to you the difference in my dogs since I started feeding them really good quality foods. There is a vibran
ce to them, their coats are luxurious and soft, their skin is no longer dry and flaky, less stools, less consumtion and energy to spare.

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Maisey
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posted 10-16-2003 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
PS..at 11 months old she doesn't need to be on puppy food anymore.

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posted 10-16-2003 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
Maisey, your price for Canidae is the same as what I pay for Science Diet. I am still feeding Science Diet puppy food (because we have no problems with it) but I may look into something else when this bag starts to run out.

Our puppy is not nuts over the food. She eats it but if she is not hungry she leaves it and I pick it up after 20-30 minutes. But I also use the kibbles as my training treats. That way I am not stuffing her full of "snacks". She works very well for them. Weird, huh?

She does seem to poop quite a bit, although our two terriers we used to have were on Science Diet their whole lives and they didn't poop that much. I wonder if it's the puppy versus the regular food? Her coat is very shiney.

Also, if feeding her a higher quality food will give her MORE energy, I think I would be in my grave within the month!


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debslegacyofgold
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posted 10-16-2003 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for debslegacyofgold     Edit/Delete Message
JUst so yall know..lol..this isnt my first dog..i have never been with out a dog my entire life..lol..but she is my first dog that isnt a lab(the easy keeper) and yes you are right she is extremly active and probley will never have an over weight problem.The vet is the one that told me to use Iams or Science diet..preferabley Science diet..which i have used bfore but she didnt seem to like it much,,ive tried everything at pet stores except Eucanuba..so that is my next i will try if she doesnt seem to gain much on the Iams. And vet told me she should b on puppy food until she is atleast a year old..especially for the breed of dog and the amount of energy she has.yes i agree...they do eat less of the good dog food as there isnt any fillers in them.and of course they poop less... Thanks for all your great ideas and websites for these foods..i will check it out but our biggest place close by that would have these foods is coeurdalene and so far i havent had much luck and ive been to every petstore,groomers in p.f...i will keep looking thanks a bunch, yall are great.

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posted 10-17-2003 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Jimaya, My objection to Science Diet is based on its ingredients and the quality of the food. It isn't that I think feeding a dog SD will make it drop dead, I think about over all long term health, and the fact that my particular dog had allergy issues with it.
The same dog was on a prescription formula of SD which made it more complicated when I started doing research.

Here is the ingredient list for SD canine c/d:

Ingredients
Corn meal, pork fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), chicken by-product meal, soybean meal, corn gluten meal, soybean mill run, chicken liver flavor, dried egg product, vegetable oil, flaxseed, taurine, preserved with BHT and BHA, minerals (calcium sulfate, salt, dicalcium phosphate, potassium chloride, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), beta-carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).


Because it is a prescription it changes my expectations a little, I need a food with low protein(19% or lower), sodium, phosphorus and magnesium. My vet also told me that DL-Methionine was needed to prevent more crystals from developing, the reason for the prescription. Looking at the label now I realized that they have changed it, and it no longer has the DL-Methionine in it, something I will ask my vet about. In any case those were the things he told me I needed in a food when I objected to the poor quality of ingredients in SD.

The first ingredient is Corn meal,Corn meal is the entire corn kernel, finely ground.
While the whole corn kernel is nutritious and supplies whole grain nutrition, corn is considered to be highly allergenic. My dog is allergic as are many dogs, some people don't even notice the symptoms their dog is having.
Chicken by-product meal consists of the dry, ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines -- exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidably in good processing practices. I have read plenty about companies who do not have good processing practices and all kinds of other stuff ends up in the mix.
Chicken by-product meal is an inconsistent ingredient because of the multiple organs used, their constantly changing proportions, and their questionable nutritional value. Chicken by-product meal is much less expensive and less digestible than chicken meal, which is considered the single best source of protein. The chicken by-products meal is the ONLY meat source in the ingredients of that list.
Soybean meal is the product obtained by grinding the flakes which remain after removal of most of the oil from soybeans by a solvent or mechanical extraction process.
It is a poor quality protein filler. The "Crude Protein" analysis on pet food labels is only a measurement of the amount of nitrogen in a food -- not the quality of the protein. Because of this, pet food companies can use the cheaper by-products of human food production, such as soybean meal, to boost protein numbers. Meat is always the best source of quality protein. Meat protein is better absorbed and retained and is higher in essential amino acids like methionine, arginine, and taurine. Soybean meal has a biologic value less than 50% of that of chicken meal.
Soybean mill run is composed of soybean hulls and such bean meats that adhere to the hulls which results from normal milling operations in the production of dehulled soybean meal.Commonly referred to as 'floor sweepings,' this ingredient is nothing more than an inexpensive filler with little or no nutritional value. Only whole ingredients should be used for the benefit of your pet, with no by-products, filler ingredients or pre-processed ingredients.

Corn gluten meal is the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm.
Corn gluten meal is a low ash source of protein and acts as a urine acidifier in some cat foods. Remember my dog gets struvite crystals so at first this would seem ok, but I found this advice on Innovas web site: "Cats vs Dogs: While not the best quality source of protein, the use of corn gluten in small amounts offer preventive health benefits for cats. In addition, unlike dogs, cats do not usually show signs of allergic reactions to corn products. Natura does feel strongly, however, that there is no justification for the use of corn gluten in dog foods and considers it to be only a cheap protein filler when used in this manner." So I am not thrilled about that ingredient either.
Chicken liver is the hepatic gland of a chicken. Chicken liver is used in pet foods primarily as a flavor enhancer. I have read this should not be used because this organ can potentially contain a disproportionate amount of toxins from the blood. Flavorings should come from the all natural, meats, fruits and vegetables in a product.
Vegetable oil is the product of vegetables obtained by extracting the oil from seeds or fruits which are processed for edible purposes. The source vegetables for this oil (and their nutrient properties) are unknown. I would prefer to see single-source fats (like chicken fat and sunflower oil) which are high in desirable linoleic acid. Not a huge thing...but again back to quality.
Finally what really disturbs me, BHT and BHA, BHA/BHT is short for Butylated Hydroxyanisole (BHA) and Butylated Hydroxytoluene (BHT), both of which are chemical preservatives. BHA and BHT have been banned from human use in many countries. In the US, they are still permitted in pet foods. I want a food that uses no cancer causing chemical preservatives of any kind.
I found that in Canine Caviar and it has actually been less expensive because it's being sold at an introductory price of $2.99 for a 5lb bag. I will say that I looked over some of what Science Diet is now offering and it seems they are getting the message that consumers want good quality ingredients, natural ones. But I still take issue with many of their ingredients. I certainly don't want to pay the same amount of money for their product whan I can get a much better one for the same price.
Sorry this was so long, but I wanted to explain the why in my reasons. I simply want a food that is natural, simple, nutritionally balanced, allergen free, has no cancer causing ingredients or cheap fillers.


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posted 10-17-2003 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Jimiya - to compare what Maisey just showed what is in Science Diet - here is what is in Innova dog food. That is the entire ingredients. I Had Jake my lab on commercial food for 6 years. He had constant ear infections, hot spots, lethargic, overweight etc. 6 months ago, I switched him to Innova, and I have a new dog. Like Maisy said, so many dogs are allergic to corn which the commercial dog foods use a ton of. you end up at the vets spending $$$ trying to fix the problem if they are allergic. Now remember, just like in human food - the ingredients are listed in the order of the main ingredients. Science diet is corn, corn meal, chicken by product, Innova is turkey, chicken, chicken meal.

Honeybear

Turkey
Chicken
Chicken Meal
Ground Barley
Ground Brown Rice
Potatoes
Ground White Rice
Chicken Fat
Herring
Apples
Carrots
Cottage Cheese
Sunflower Oil
Alfalfa Sprouts
Egg
Garlic
Probiotics
Vitamins/Minerals

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Maisey
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posted 10-17-2003 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I was going to compare the ingredients with canine caviar and Canidae as well, but I had to type that post TWICE! I lost the first somehow, it ticked me off and I was exhausted LOL, plus I figured you all would think I was an even bigger blabber mouth than you already do. *GRINZZ*

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posted 10-17-2003 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
I did it the easy way - went to their web site and did a copy paste!
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Maisey
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posted 10-17-2003 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, but you didn't have to explain each ingredient! I was copy and pasting the explanations from the same web site...out of the ingredient wizard. I had to go to each and every ingredient and copy and paste the description....and I pulled from two different sites! So neener neener LOL

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posted 10-17-2003 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for debslegacyofgold     Edit/Delete Message
Ok..well i looked and the closest store to me that sells the caninecaviar is in napa ,idaho which is 10-12 hours from me..uhmm dont think thats a option..sooo i emailed them so they could call Petco close to me and see if they can get some samles there.....thanks for the idea.

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posted 10-17-2003 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for debslegacyofgold     Edit/Delete Message
Ok..well i looked and the closest store to me that sells the caninecaviar is in napa ,idaho which is 10-12 hours from me..uhmm dont think thats a option..sooo i emailed them so they could call Petco close to me and see if they can get some samles there.....thanks for the idea.

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posted 10-17-2003 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
Ye Haa, you do the best you can, Deb.

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posted 10-17-2003 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wolfsoul     Edit/Delete Message
I haven't read through the posts, so forgive me if I'm repeating what anyone's said, but I wouldn't feed Iams. Not only is is not great nutrion-wise, but they also do inhumane testing on animals. Iams and Eukaneba are the same company.

As for your doggy being thin, make sure you are feeding her food that has meat for atleast the first 2-3 ingredients. If she doesn't like to eat, spice up the food with some Vita or homemade gravy, or mix in some canned food.

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posted 10-17-2003 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nern     Edit/Delete Message
Petco also carries Natural Balance which is a good, high calorie food if your options are limited.
Be sure and check the store locators on the various websites...your bound to find at least one available in your area. I can find just about anything here at stores that I did'nt even know existed until I checked the store locators. Good luck.

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posted 10-18-2003 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Good Choice nern, you are right, Petco does carry Natural Balance, I buy the sausage roll thingies and cut the whole thing up into little cubes and use it for treats at tournaments when the dogs are using so much energy. They love it, they are like summer sausage for people. Only healthier I think!
http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/

The ingredients for the Ultra Premium Dry Dog Food (This was on the Whole Dog Journals Top foods list for 2002)

INGREDIENT LISTING
Chicken, Brown Rice, Duck, Lamb Meal, Oatmeal, Pearled Barley, Potatoes, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols-a source of Vitamin E, Citric Acid, and Rosemary Extract), Natural Flavor, Tomato Pomace, Canola Oil, Brewers Yeast, Lecithin, Choline Chloride, Carrots, Potassium Chloride, Whole Ground Flaxseed, Dried Kelp, Salt, Parsley Flakes, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplements, Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C), Taurine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, L-Lysine, Manganese Sulfate, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate, Grape Seed Oil, Copper Sulfate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Inositol, Folic Acid (Vitamin B, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), D-Activated Animal Sterol (source of Vitamin D-3), Biotin, Ethylene Diamine Dihydriodide (source of Iodine), Cobalt Sulfate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfate Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Sodium Selenite.

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Crude Protein 23.0% minimum
Crude Fat 13.0% minimum
Crude Fiber 3.0% maximum
Moisture 10.0% maximum
Omega 3 Fatty Acids 0.5% minimum
Omega 6 Fatty Acids 3.0% minimum

Three out of the first four ingredients are excellent meat sources, no by-products, no allergy causing ingredients(for most dogs).

Here is a retailer that carries Natural Balance products located in Post Falls, Idaho.

STORE
Animal House Pets & Supplies
1600 E. Seltice
Post Falls,ID 83854
208-777-8885

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posted 10-18-2003 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Deb, I also was able to find that Natura products (thats Innova and California Naturals) are sold near you at:
Pet Stop
208-762-4474
9420 Government Way
Hayden ID 83835

Thats about 13 miles from Post falls.

Mapquest directions: http://aolsvc.maps.aol.com/travel/main.dci?startAddr=&endAddr=&startPoiType=&endPoiType=&startCity=Post%20Falls&endCity=Hayden&startState=ID&endState=ID&startZip=&endZip=&startCoun try=us&endCountry=us&submit.x=68&submit.y=14

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posted 10-18-2003 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for debslegacyofgold     Edit/Delete Message
lol..funny you guys were talking abt nutra products cuz i went to pet stop and was looking around and came home to ask ya all what you thought!!hehe!!looks like that might be the next one to try.thanks a bunch for your help and your search time and time to type it all out for me!!you guys are great!!!

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posted 10-18-2003 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Innova is an excellent product in my opinion, It was one of my top choices for my dogs, they didn't much care for it so I checked out others. I have heard many people say their dogs love it though. California Naturals also made by the Natura company, is also one I tried in my taste test with the dogs, they liked it so so but preferred the Canidae, so thats what I went with. Just like people...dogs have different tastes. I wish I preferred yogurt for breakfast rather than Cocoa Puffs!

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posted 11-14-2003 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chessmind     Edit/Delete Message
I don't purchase Iams, as they practice cruel research on their cat and dog lab animals. They keep them in tiny wire cages and remove their voices, so they don't make any noise. It's really sad. I stick to companies that don't do needless petfood research. Sadly, a lot of 'popular' pet food companies are as bad as Iams in the way they treat animals.

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GoodboysBaddogs
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From:Los Angeles, Ca.
Registered: Aug 2003

posted 11-14-2003 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
hello Deb,

I'm sure Innova has been recommended already. It has a high-er calorie count. And, is known for it's help w/ dull, dry, flaking skin & coat issues.
Since your pup is already 11 months, look into thier Innova "Dog" formula. But, if your really needing to put on some weight on her, try looking into their & other companies "puppy" formulas. They usually have a higher caloric count, & in general just m o r e of everything, but balanced. I don't think it'll do any harm to your pup, just switch back to an adult formula when your pup has gained the weight you desired. Exercising her should also build up her appitite. So don't disregard it, it will actually help her gain weight, just feed her good amounts, like a working dog.
If you still have issues w/ her weight, and even more problems w/ her skin & coat, try giving food supplements, like Natures Variety Whole FOod Blend Supplement. This stuff is packed w/ natural protein at 26%, & fat at 23%, maximum EFA's & so on all balanced to cmpliment any kibble diet. So, if your not planning on switching soon, i'd definatly recommend this powder form supplement. I personally, have feed this to my dogs, and have had G R E A T results. Just recently i've switched to Wellness' Food Supplement-"powder". I also think these powder forms work A LOT better than giving pills and tabs & the like. Basically, i've tried Missing Link, NV's, Wellness, and they've all been G R E A T. They live up to their hype! Go to www.naturapet.com
and compare different dog foods. This is a great place to start researching....

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kyles101
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From:Perth, Western Australia
Registered: May 2003

posted 11-15-2003 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
allergies allergies allergies. i didnt discover my dog had food allergies until it was too late. she is now very stunted cause she didnt grow properly when she was a pup. she would never eat. id be lucky to get her to eat half a bowl of food. we now have her allergies all under control. we put her on hills prescription diet, ultra ZD and we give her acidophillus tablets. this helped LOTS. we weined her off the science diet and put her back on eukanuba and still gave her the tablets. no probs so far. i highly recommend giving dogs with food allergies acidophillus. find a tablet with about 10 billion cells in each. one a day should be enough.

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Maisey
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From:Portland, Oregon US
Registered: Sep 2003

posted 11-15-2003 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
kyles, my dog and cat have allergies, I think I have it under control now, but could you explan how acidophilus works for allergies? I've not heard that before and I'm interested.

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kyles101
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From:Perth, Western Australia
Registered: May 2003

posted 11-15-2003 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
im not quite sure if it would help skin and hayfever allergies but it has the potential to help intestinal allergies. it works the same way it does with humans, just replaces the good bacteria in the intestinal tract. the vet told us that in dogs with sensitive stomachs, they usually have an overgrowth of bad bacteria so she said to give her some acidophillus. even if it doesnt cure the problem it still is good for intestinal health and wouldnt harm the dog in any way. i dont know if every vet is familiar with using it but if they arent get them to talk to a vet that is, its worth it i reckon.

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