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MsMaggie
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posted 10-26-2003 08:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi. I have a 9 week old female toy poodle puppy. The housebreaking is going okay, except one problem. When we put her in her crate, she doesn't seem to have a problem wetting and messing her spot. I have put a partition in the crate to make it smaller, but she does it anyway, and seems to have no problem laying in it.
She is only in the crate for short periods of time....at night and I take her out every 2-3 hours, or if I'm away from the house for 1-2 hours. I also, I always take her out, and she goes before putting her in. She is on a feeding schedule as well.

Any suggestions?

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puttin510
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posted 11-04-2003 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
I was hoping someone would help you with this. I suggest you post this in the dogs forum. I've never owned a tiny pup, sorry. I do have a poodle though. I love them.

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goofie_newfie686
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posted 11-07-2003 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goofie_newfie686     Edit/Delete Message
You took a step in the right direction MsMaggie, Make sure your pup only has enough room stand up, turna around and stretch out in a crate. Next ask yourself where did I get my dog? Was it from a pet sotre, most dogs from pet sotres are off of a puppy mill and if that was the case then YES of course she wont have a problem laying in her waste.
Make sure your crate has "draining system" there should be a little "trugh" on the inside perimeter for liquid waste to go.
If a crate is a problem then mabye try an
Ex-pen. there not too expense and fold up nicley for car trips. Also with almost any crate and all Ex-Pens you can buy a grate to be fit into your crate or pen so that waste goes right throu.
However I don't think you will find it at a "pet Store" you would have to go to a specialty shop, that sells Dog conformation supplies, the clerk should be able to help you.
BTW
If you did get your pup form a breeder, if your breeder is reputable he or she should be able to help you with any grooming/training/nutrtion questions or problemes you may have.
Hope I was a little bit helpful

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Silka
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posted 11-25-2003 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silka     Edit/Delete Message
Wow thats really interesting goofie, I was under the impression that dogs did not "go" where they sleep, but your explanation makes a lot of sense. Im sorry MsMaggie I dont have any suggestions, just moral support as I have a new puppy myself. Good luck.

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ilovemaltipoos
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posted 11-25-2003 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilovemaltipoos     Edit/Delete Message
Well ...you have sorta 2 problems ,first .
Toy dogs espically when puppies cannot control their urine and bowel movements the way larger dogs can in a crate type situation .They are small and have problems holding it until they are older about 5 to 7 months old .Some do fine ,some do not .I disagree with crate training for toys because
1. I never put mine in a crate at all except going to the vet sometimes .Mostly I use a large laundry basket then .Or when I am cleanning the play /potty area and they cannot get into the solution I use so I have this extra large open pen I put them in for that time each day .
2. Toys cannot hold for long periods and will and do have to use it and since they really don't have all that much control ,they will use it when they have to and if in a crate with no room to go anywhere else ...well...BINGO !
3. I use a gated off room and use puppy pads and puppy litter and find some do better with pads ,some with litter .
Now ,after saying all that ...puppy mills use cages and so do pet stores .more apt than not they lay in their waste and are use to it .But if a puppy is in a position where that is all the room they have and they can only lay in it ,they will .How are they to know better when you put them in a place and leave them for however long and the only place they have to rest is the place they have to pee and other .Be real folks .If you were locked in a cage and had to ,so would you .Not to make anyone mad but that is my opinion .

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ilovemaltipoos
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posted 11-25-2003 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilovemaltipoos     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry for my little outburst .
There are just a few things I do not understand .All people should know or have a clue that not all dogs even those of the same breed are in the same ,just like us .You can buy baby books by the thousands and get info after info saying this is the normal ,but does eveyones child behave the same ...no .
well...neither do pets .And I also get a little upset that all the people scream about puppies being in cages in a pet store or at a breeder (I happen to dislike a cage with a passion,also pet stores and breeders that sell to them ) but then they get a puppy ,take it home and the first thing they do is ...put it in a cage .Somehow to me ,that just does not make any sense at all ..Just my opinion .

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nern

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posted 11-25-2003 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nern     Edit/Delete Message
Ilovemaltipoos:
There is a difference though. The dogs at puppy mills and petshops "live" in cages. The crates used in a persons home are only used for a few hours at a time and are a training aid rather than a jail cell.
I've never crate trained but thats my understanding of how their used.

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MyBabyShihPoo
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posted 11-26-2003 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyBabyShihPoo     Edit/Delete Message
Although I don't have any advice about the problem, I just have to give my opinion about the whole crating issue.

Crates are NOT a "bad thing" if, and only if, they are used in an appropriate manner!!! Crates/Cages are a great tool for many reasons. 1) They are an excellent aid for the housebreaking process. 2) They allow the dog to become accustomed to cages/crates so if they have have to be in one for some reason or another, they will not panic and stress out. 3) They give a dog a safe haven to go to if they ever desire to do so. There are many more reasons, but due to time constraints I will not list the rest.

When I first received my two dogs, for the first month or so, I would put them in a cage while I was gone (which was never for more than two hours). As my dogs became a little more realiable, I would simply gate off the kitchen and leave the cage in the kitchen in case they wanted to go in it. (And no, due to certain reasons, I did not leave any puppy pads for them.) Almost 99% of the time when I came home they were both in the cage. Now that says something; if they didn't like the cage they most assuredly would not go in voluntarily, but they must like the cage for some reason!

One more thing, nern: I would like to second what you said concerning the cage issue. Very well said!

With all that said, please don't get the idea that cages/crates are a bad thing. If used apprpriately they are wonderful.

I will now step off my soapbox,
Kristi

P.S. PLEASE don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be mean, I am just expressing how I feel about the issue!


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ilovemaltipoos
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posted 11-26-2003 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilovemaltipoos     Edit/Delete Message
I understand the difference in doing it the right way and the wrong way .I am a breeder and do rescue as well .I have crated a sick dog or one that has had surgery ...etc.
But the public at large is what I am talking about .They think all dogs react the same in and out of a cage and that is not so .If used properply and the dog accepts it ,that is one thing but if used wrong and /or the puppy is not accepting is a total other case ,espically if one has had to actually live in a cage .That is what I am talking about .If you have lived in it ,you would use it the same way you always have and some puppies just don't understand the difference.
When I am sending one on a plane ,I get it use to the carrier I send in for weeks before it goes .I know how long to leave it there and to not ,that is different than the average joe that reads about crates and then puts one in it and leaves it all day ,every day .I have turned down people that want one of mine if they ask " I will be at work 10 hours a day ,a neighbor leaves hers in a crate ,I will be doing the same .What type should I buy ? ' I don't even answer most of the time ,cause it is so not the right thing to do .I just don't like the idea of crate trainning cause most people don't use it the right way and then the puppy suffers .If you are going to do that ,leave it in the pet store .Same thing .
I am not out to cause a problem ,I just don't think people in general research correctly and should ,also I do not think that is where a puppy belongs for hours at a time,in a space where if they have to ,they do and then if they need to lie down cause they have nothing else to do ,they do that too .It is my opinion only .I just happen to think there is a better way .That is why we all have opinions and why we are all different .God would get awful bored if we all thought the same .LOL !

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