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cindylou-poo unregistered |
posted 08-12-2003 11:32 AM
Hi, I am brand new to this message board, and I am looking to welcome a shih-poo puppy into my family, although I am having probelms finding one, with out going to a pet store. I did find one "breeder?", in my area, they have a website, but after looking over some info on puppy mills, I am nervous that this may be one. Their web site is; www.rainbowpark.ca If anyone out there has experience in diagnosing a puppy mill, please review the website and let me knwo what you think. Also, if anyone has info on where I can get a healthy shih-poo puppy in teh Toronto, please let me know... Thanks! IP: Logged |
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puttin510 Member  Posts: 1179 |
posted 08-12-2003 01:50 PM
One good thing is that they don't have puppies available all the time. A good breeder always has a home for her puppies before they are born. One thing that bugs me though is she has so many different breeds. Why breed so many. How could they have time to spare to give all these animals the attention they need? If its possible at all make a trip over there and see for yourself if it seems to be a clean and tidy area, if the dogs are kept clean.Ask for some referals of people that have bought from them. A good breeder will ask you as many questions as you ask them and will want to know if you are worthy of one of their pups. See it in person to know for sure. On their site everything looks great, but they also knew when the crew was coming and had time to make the dogs presentable if they weren't before. They do look fine in the pictures though. Ask also if their breeding dogs are vet checked and certified for breeding, and have they any proof that their dogs have placed in any dog shows, those are the dogs that should be bred if any, the ones that are looked upon as being perfect for their breed standard. Even though she is mixing, you want each parent to have perfect health. Vet bills can be very expensive, so ask away. [This message has been edited by puttin510 (edited 08-12-2003).] [This message has been edited by puttin510 (edited 08-12-2003).] IP: Logged |
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PooGirl13 Member Posts: 89 |
posted 08-12-2003 04:50 PM
I am also searching for a shih-poo breeder.. although, I do have one that is "top" on my list. I did come across the website you gave yesterday, but I am not sure how to diagnose a puppy mill. The thing that put the breeder I am looking into at the top of my list is that she only has toy poodles, shih-tzu, shih-poos & schnoodles. That being said, I have been shying away from breeders that offer so many dogs that I can't even count. Another thing is that the breeder that is at the top of my list is very strict - meaning, she will not just "ship her puppies" - either my husband or myself need to fly home with our pup. That's just one example that shows the puppy's safety & well-being comes first. The more breeders sites I view, the more I can tell who cares and who is in it just for the money. Keep researching and good luck to you! IP: Logged |
Jas Moderator Posts: 536 |
posted 08-12-2003 08:29 PM
Utterly sickening. Most definitely a puppy mill or commercial breeder (ultimately the same thing) ! 6 possibly 7 litters in August alone (that is the first clue) I'll never understand why a breeder need to breed more than one type of dog. I could accept 2 types if they seldom bred. Most reputable breeders do not breed more than once a year. Do the parents get to live like dogs and grow with human attention and love or are they raised in kennels and crates with minimum attention? There is no way anyone could give enough attention handling and hand raising to that many litters or the parents. Nor could they afford to test the breeding dogs for genetic diseases. Hip & elbow, eye, hearing, thyroid, heart, palette, are just some of the diseases and conditions many of these breeds are affected by. I agree with Puttin, a reputable breeder would put the time and money into screening their dogs to make sure they are not passing on anything. Puppy mills and BYBs do not do care enough to test as it would definitely eat into profits. One thing most buyers want is to know that the breeder will be there for them if they have questions or concerns. I sincerely doubt this type of breeder will make the time to be there for the life of a family's dog. I've never heard of a breeder accepting Visa. Please don't buy from this puppy mill! Have you tried www.petfinder.com - by typing in your location and "poodle" it will bring up all poodles and poodle mixes of all ages available for adoption. Contact Poodle rescue also since many Rescue workers come across poodle x dogs. IP: Logged |
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ilovemypets Member Posts: 401 |
posted 08-13-2003 06:04 AM
What I noticed about the breeders website was she said " (pups will be 7 wks. old on the following dates. Pick-up dates are subject to change.)" 7 wks is way to young! It should be 12 wks old. And she had more than just one breed. A good breeder will pick one breed and try to do their best with it, not 4 or 5 breeds. And I agree with Jas about how many litters are coming in one months time! BTW have u checked ur local shelter  ? IP: Logged |
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Sunkist Member Posts: 24 |
posted 08-13-2003 08:48 AM
I have also been looking for a Shipoo....and i came across this site....i personaly definently WONT be buying a puppy from here. but i want others to go to get their view point. http://www.mixedbreedpups.com/ IP: Logged |
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puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 |
posted 08-13-2003 05:20 PM
12 different breeds, I don't need to look any more. Cute as they are, that little black one wearing the shirt. That is just too many different breeds to be taking care of. If I bred any dog I would be so into it, as much as I was giving birth to my own children. It would be such a remarkable moment for me. I would not even do it if I knew that after I would be wondering where thses little ones would go. Any birth should be a special one. Thats got to be a byb or puppymill IP: Logged |
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Anela Member Posts: 34 |
posted 10-05-2003 08:29 AM
Ok, I have been looking for a Shih a Poo and I have found one...But during my search I came across this site, now I know there are alot of sites out there with several breeds and mix breeds, but for some reason I just kept going back to this one http://wizardofclaws.com/specials.htm b/c well I just can't believe it!! NO I am NOT getting a puppy from this site or any of the others who have 'multiple' breeds or litters at once! but wanted to post this to see what everyone thought. Anela IP: Logged |
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kokopellyn unregistered |
posted 10-16-2003 09:58 AM
I'm also looking for a reputable Shih-poo dealer. I found this web site that I feel really good about but they are far from me (me - DC, them - Michigan). I'd be curious if you find any others you feel good about. Llyn IP: Logged |
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doglover New Member  Posts: 1 |
posted 10-16-2003 05:03 PM
A pekepoo is NOT a breed. It is a mixed-breed, Like your basic shelter dog. The only difference is that these dogs have been purposely bred by someone...most likely for profit. If you want a nice peke mix or poodle mix visit your local shelter and save a life. There are too many unwanted pups in the world do we need to breed anymore?!The only reputable breeders in the world would breed pure dogs, to improve the breed of the dog! to do otherwise is irresponsible!! Here is a great link About pekepoos and other 'poo' dogs, so you can make a more informed choice. http://www.canismajor.com/dog/poodogs.html IP: Logged |
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ilovemaltipoos Member Posts: 177 |
posted 10-16-2003 06:40 PM
All pure breeds of today were at one time a mix themselves .That is why we have so many different types of purebreeds today . Look at the Shih Tzu and Bichon and JR 's .Was not so long ago they too were thought to be 'mixed breeds" I just rescued a total of 20 this last week from a kill shelter ,guess what, 12 were pure breeds ,6 were puppies of unknown origin and 2 were mixed .They put down 18 purebreeds that week before .Because I and 3 others that pull from that pound cannot take Rotts ,Pit Bulls ,Dobbies because we are not set up for the larger dogs and because they are hard to place because they have been so inbred that they are considered dangerous and people would only want one to fight it ,not to have a great dog and most of them were just big hug a bugs but purebreed breeders have ruined them and others and if you want to you can read about over 400 known genetic defects that comes in our purebreeds today because of inbreeding ,linebreeding .People that want a shihpoo or maltipoo want one that is more playful ,healthy ,happy babies,good with their children , not a dog with a certain length nose or a to show in a ring that they cannot even compete in because it is all a bought and paid for circus .Same people over and over ,no one else has a snowballs chance in ---- to even get past go .The money I make goes to rescue those purebreeds and mixes also that uncaring people drop off or let loose or abuse .My husband makes my living and before you ask ,yes I PAY my taxes .There are good and bad in all breeders ,whether purebreed or mix ,And your info is not the only info from vets and research out there to look at ,read ,digest and form an opinion on .Shoving your opinion down another persons throat usually leads them to gag and you to choke .perhaps it is better to say . There are differing opinions out there ,gather all you can find ,be informed ,make the choice you want to make ,after all that is why we are free to do so . IP: Logged |
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Alison Member Posts: 37 |
posted 10-16-2003 06:45 PM
Pure bred dogs are dogs that have been bred for a long time in order to bring out and refine certain traits in the dog. How is this any different from afficionados of certain mixes? There are many people that are working to improve the peekapoo and cockapoo by continuing crosses into the F2 generation and beyond in order to establish a genetic foundation. I'm not saying they're a breed, but they certainly have traits that people desire. I don't see how this is any different from breeding horses for certain traits. You make it sound as if the peekapoo breeders are messing with nature more than past breeders did with the pekinese and poodle. The problem of unwanted puppies and dogs in shelters is a separate argument from breed crosses. There are also purebred dogs that go into shelters. The responsibilty needs to fall on the breeder for finding good homes for their puppies, not the consumer. Different people have different needs and circumstances and it's often very hard and time-consuming to rehabilitate a shelter dog. People with young children or first time dog owners can often do better with a dog that they can train from scratch. I'm not saying that people SHOULDN'T rescue a pup - just that it's not right for everyone. And since I volunteer at a shelter, I can appreciate how important it is to place a dog with someone who has the experience to work with the dog so they don't end up right back in the pen! My point is that, from this geneticist's viewpoint, a mixed breed dog is no different from a pure bred unless you're interested in showing. If someone wants to do a cross to breed a better companion, and has homes lined up for them, that's just fine by me. IP: Logged |
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ilovemaltipoos Member Posts: 177 |
posted 10-16-2003 07:21 PM
Good for you Alison ! There are also those that are studying the differences in purebreeds and crosses and the different traits they have ,personality ,coats ,growth pattterns and those that are working with the maltipoo as well .I am now into my starting a third generation in a couple yrs ,so we are not so different than those man made but God given canines in the beginning .Trying to find a real difference ,making better ,going forward ...would you not agree ,a very good part of mankind .The sad part is that you have to have the bad with the good . [This message has been edited by ilovemaltipoos (edited 10-16-2003).] IP: Logged |
Auspetian Administrator Posts: 435 |
posted 10-17-2003 09:21 AM
DogLover, the "Toy dogs" board was created for the mixed breed Auspetian IP: Logged |
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Auspetian Administrator Posts: 435 |
posted 10-17-2003 09:24 AM
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