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Katerina
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posted 11-30-2003 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Katerina     Edit/Delete Message
I was wondering what other peoples opinions are on the subject of adopting a cat when already experiencing a lack of funds.

When I adopted my cat Blanche two years ago I thought long and hard if I had the funds to properly care for her. I did the research on the costs of regualar check-ups and the "what if statements" (i.e. What if she got hurt or really sick)

I decided I had enough funds and could always have $125 in the bank for emergency vet visits. Plus I found people willing to lend me money if it costed more than that.

I believe that if you do not have enough funds to provide your cat with the proper medical care than you should not adopt a cat.

I have a friend who has 3 cats. two of which remain tied up in the house for most of the day and one who roams around free. Try as i might I can not get her to let them of the leash. She also does not enough money to take them to the vet, even for their shots. I believe this is wrong and inhumane.

Waht does everyone else think? about both my friends three cats and adopting cats without enough funds to properly care for them.

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MaydaysMom
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posted 11-30-2003 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MaydaysMom     Edit/Delete Message
Some of the reason there are adoption fees is to
1. Make sure they are going to a good home
2. to cover medical costs
and
3. It is assumed that if you cant afford the adoption fee that you can not afford to care for the cat or health care for the cat.

a large portion of the owner returns that I deal with are either because the cat does not use the litter box, or they dont have money to cover the vet expenses for the cat when they are sick or injured.
When asked have you taken the cat to the vet to make sure it isnt an infection, we get told they dont have the money.

This is a tough call. You dont want the cat to go to a home that can not afford to care for it. However they might be able to provide a loving forever home for the cat.
Its hard decision to decide if you should deny an application on a possible adoption for someone who does not have a job or is on public assistance.

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Chessmind
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posted 12-01-2003 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chessmind     Edit/Delete Message
Why does your friend keep two of her cats on a leash??????

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lucidity03
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posted 12-01-2003 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lucidity03     Edit/Delete Message
I don't understand the being tied up in the house part. If I understand it right, that's more alarming to me than even not having money for vet appointments. I hope I am misunderstanding it. Why would she tie up her cats? Do they have access to litter, food, water... etc.? It actually makes me shudder to think of cats being tied up in a house. If that is the case, I think that is inhumane and would do what I could to change it.

I hate to say it, if you think it's really inhumane (since you have apparently seen it first hand) you could call a local animal authority and inform them of this. You could call anonymously. I'm sure it's a sticky situation since it's your friend. I guess you can try and get her to listen to you. Find some evidence showing what's cruel for cats... etc.

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kyles101
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posted 12-01-2003 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
almost everyone i know does not give their pets their annual injections, flea treatments or heartworm. im so vigilant with all those things i cant understand why others arent. i totally agree with you on the whole 'I believe that if you do not have enough funds to provide your cat with the proper medical care than you should not adopt a cat' thing. i also hate it when people say 'oh lets wait and week and see what happens to fido' when they are sick, just to save a few bucks and it ends up its too late by the time they take it to the vet. i guess some people just see pets as possessions rather than lives.

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Katerina
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posted 12-01-2003 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Katerina     Edit/Delete Message
Just to calrify on the cats being tied up.

They can reach litter box and food/water. But are both confined to about a 6' radius.
The two that are tied up are 1.5yr old and 2.5yrs old, both have their claws. The one who is loose is 9yrs old declawed. They are all female.

She is concerned that the ones with claws will attack the one without. Or that they will hide upstairs in this cuby that has insulation.

I've tried to convince her that since they've been in the house together for a year they should be alright. They may scrap a bit but no one will end up seriously injured.

She said they just wanted to cover the cubies where the insulation was and that they would have money by summer (this past one) to do it. They didn't and she spent $300 on bingo tickets and Junk food.

I guesse I just don't know what to say to her or where to find proof. She doesn't seem to understand that this may be why her cats are anti-social/starving for attention, moody and overweght.

She does say she lets them of the leash occasionally, however I have a feeling this isn't true.

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LottynTrike
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posted 12-01-2003 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LottynTrike     Edit/Delete Message
why does she have cats in the first place. I hate to sound mean, but it seems like no one is benifiting from the relationship. you know. i dont know i would try anything to get those cats some where else. they just dont sound happy

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Caitlyn
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posted 12-01-2003 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Caitlyn     Edit/Delete Message
Having the cats tied up in the house is cruel and if your 'friend' was in this country I am afraid I would be suggesting you report her to the RSPCA. That is an abominable way to treat a cat. The fact that she cannot afford to look after her animals is not the real issue here, she obviously has no idea how to care for an animal and should not have them in the first place. I suggest that you talk to her about giving the cats up for adoption to someone that does have the funds to care for them and knows how to treat an animal kindly basically so these poor animals can get out of this abuse.

As for affording animals, there is alot to be said for the love of an owner and even an owner without much money will always find the funds to care for their animals. I am not flush with cash but I have pet insurance to deal with any accidents or illnesses and my cats get the best I can afford for them food wise and are vaccinated. If I were to find myself in a position where I could not afford treatment for them there are many charities in this country who help out owners with cash flow crisis. Personally I think as long there is love there and a will to keep the animal happy and healthy lots of money isn't the issue.

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emmit
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posted 12-01-2003 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emmit     Edit/Delete Message
I have 2 cats, the older one (9months) had to have a major op, it cost me $900Aus, my partner and i are trying to pay off our house, plan our wedding and honeymoon, so we don't have alot of money. When it comes to my cats i would do anything. i got the op. we just had to go with out things.

But i really think that your friend should not have animals. If you love your pets you don't treat them like they are in a Zoo.
Cats are hunters and they need to be free to roam if they please. Its up to you weather you want those cats to have a real life, she doesn't care whats happens. It's all on you.

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Chessmind
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posted 12-01-2003 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chessmind     Edit/Delete Message
Abusing any animal is a heinous act. Doing nothing to stop the abuse is equally heinous.

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Katerina
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posted 12-01-2003 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Katerina     Edit/Delete Message
I know my friend loves her cats, she gives them treats and evrything. Her and her mom have taken good care of her older cat for years.

What I'd really like to know is does anyone know of a good book or website where I can get information about all the negative effects tying up a cat can have.

I'm sure if I showed her hard evidence she'd let them wonder around the house.

unfortunatley it's hard to get the S.P.C.A (society for the prevention of cruelty to animals)here in Ontario to go a house and check out alleged cases of abuse unless the animal is obviously seriously injured.

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Chessmind
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posted 12-01-2003 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chessmind     Edit/Delete Message
Let's see...I have my dictionary here....love...love...love...hhhmmmmm...funny...it doesn't say anything about keeping two cats tied up 24/7. Oh wait! Here it is in the 'S' section...Sadism!

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall, but here it goes:

1) The cats need to be removed from their abuser (your friend). Talking to someone who ties up two cats is not going to do any good. You think showing her on paper that what she's doing is not good will make a difference? It's common sense that it's not good to tie up your cats!

2) You think that because she gives the cats treats she cares about them???

3)Because she takes 'good care' of her older cat it's perfectly excusable to abuse two others???

Take a stand for once in your life and make a difference in two animals lives, who deserve so much more. They would be better off at a shelter than with your sadist friend.

I would never have a friend who abused her animals (oh that's right...only two out of three are abused). I would go right over to her house and take both cats away from her. I would then either adopt them myself or try and find them a loving home.

Why people turn the other cheek or are passive when it comes to abusing animals is beyond me.

I have a feeling these poor cats are going to spend the rest of their miserable lives with this nut case of a friend, because someone didn't have the guts to put an end to to once and for all.

I'm so sorry kitties. I wish I was there to help free you!!!

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Caitlyn
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posted 12-02-2003 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Caitlyn     Edit/Delete Message
I have to agree with Chessmind on this one.

Your friend does not care about her cats or she would not be treating them in this way. ANYONE can give a cat a treat and if they are overweight she is not even showing them any kindness in doing this! She is shortening their lifespans, doing their hearts and arteries no good at all and making the poor animals even sicker than they already are!!! Obesity is a horrific disease for a cat to be suffering from, it can put bad stress on their joints and cause pain. If that is they aren't already in pain from being unable to exercise their joints properly from being tied up!!

No animal should be tied up indefinitely, No animal should be subjected to any kind of abuse and it seems that Katerina came here because she already felt what was going on was wrong but wanted to confirm her thoughts. Sadly as with alot of abuse cases she now doesnt want to upset her friend!

Sorry I would say Katerina that this friend isn't worth it. Get the animal protection people out and save these cats from this misery! If you don't it will be forever on your conscience. I couldn't live with myself if I had left animals in such a hellish situation which was not going to improve.

I can only hope that you find the strength to aide them in their neediness.

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Katerina
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posted 12-02-2003 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Katerina     Edit/Delete Message
Okay I think people are making comments about me that are very unfounded since no one knows me or my friend.

I have made many stands in my life and I am not a brick wall. I understand perfectly what people are saying and I don't need Sarcasm from anybody it absolutley not helpful at all. Nor do I think just because she gives them treats it's alright.

It's easy to say walk into somebodies house and take them but in praticality it doesn't work. Mainly because it is illegal and secondly I'm a 5hr drive away from them.

To add their is no such thing as "commom sense" since everyones common sense is different, so if you don't know where I can get info about the negative effects of tying up cats just don't respond.

Sarcasm and basically calling me an idiot and an abuser is not helpful and i thought this forum was mean't to help people.

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lucidity03
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posted 12-02-2003 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lucidity03     Edit/Delete Message
Katerina, I think some people are coming off a bit harsh to you here. I guess the topic can fire people up pretty good when it comes to a defenseless animal.

I started to look online for documentation you could show your friend. It may not be too easy to find stuff on tying up cat because I don't think it's common at all. But, hopefully something can be found and your friend can see that her cats aren't happy living like that.

I don't know if you can even just talk to her about all of this and try to persuade her to see what happens if the three cats get together. Maybe if she has a weekend day free, she could let the cats all be together in some part of the house. If it's successful, maybe she could feel comfortable weening the cats off of their leashes. I don't know your friendship with her, but maybe you could persuade her to change her ways.

If I find anything she may want to read, I'll post it here.

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lucidity03
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posted 12-02-2003 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lucidity03     Edit/Delete Message
I did a little bit of research for you. I don't know if it would help to show your friend tips on how to take care of a cat (verses not taking good care of it). These articles I found all mention exercise and play/socialization as being critical to a cat's health.

If you want to go this route, it's easy to find countless articles online if you do a search for cat care (or anything like it.)

I hope these can help:
http://cats.about.com/cs/advocacy/a/responsibility.htm
http://www.anticruelty.org/pet_info/pet_info_cat_catkitten_care.html

http://www.care-for-my-cat.com/html/playing.html

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MaydaysMom
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posted 12-02-2003 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MaydaysMom     Edit/Delete Message
Wow when I read tied up I thought you meant just stuck inside! I have never heard of someone tying up a cat before!
Thats got to cause some sort of aggression eventually being tied.
and if not given enough excersize their muscels could atrophy (deplete)
What would give someone that kind of an idea?

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Chessmind
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posted 12-02-2003 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chessmind     Edit/Delete Message
Katerina, no one called you an idiot and no one called you an abuser. From what I can tell you're a loving, responsible pet owner. And just for the record I'm NOT being sarcastic right now. The abuser reference was to your friend that keeps her two cats tied up 24/7. Not you.

I'll contact PETA (People For the Ethical Treatment of Animals) and see if there are any ways that the cats can be removed legally and placed into a loving home (anonymously).

Understand that people can get really fired up about animals being mistreated.

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Mojo
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posted 12-02-2003 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mojo     Edit/Delete Message
If your friend is seeing signs of aggression toward her other cat it may stem from being tied up. Having the disadvantage and knowing that they are hindered in movement may make them feel vulnerable. This, in turn means they must make themselves "seem" more aggressive then they really are, just to make sure the other kitty (or even people) keep their distance. It is a sad situation, I hope that you can help.

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Katerina
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posted 12-02-2003 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Katerina     Edit/Delete Message
I do not really want to go the way of taking the cats away from her just yet.

However I did just talk to her in a round about way since she's easily offended and when someone is offened they stop listening.

She has starting letting one of the tied up cats loose when ever she's home and just ties her up at night when she's asleep or out.

The other cat belongs to her mom. She is willing to put the other cat in a room and let it just wonder around the room.

It's not a perfect situation but it's a start.

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Kayliface
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posted 12-03-2003 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kayliface     Edit/Delete Message
I don't really see what sort of research is needed.

If the cats are tied up, they probably aren't happy. End of story.

[This message has been edited by Auspetian (edited 12-03-2003).]

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Katerina
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posted 12-03-2003 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Katerina     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks everyone for your help,

I talked to her again today and she did let the cat wonder around the bedroom and other one wonder around for about 6hrs.

She let them do this becasue of some of the useful websites that were provided by lucidity03 and other tidbits I picked up from other reponses. She hadn't realized some of the negative effects. I'll share more with her later.

I hope when I visit her at christmas time I can convinve her to let them all wonder around the house freely, if I volunteer to help supervise. Now since her house is cluttered she's worried she won't be able to find them, but hey I can work on that with her.

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fleafly
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posted 12-03-2003 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fleafly     Edit/Delete Message
It sounds like your friend just doesn't know better, and I'm glad that you can help her. Keep working with her, I think you are doing a great job. I think she has unfounded fears about them getting into trouble, but you can show her that she is causing more harm than good. Hopefully she will get to the point where the cats all wander around the house, and everyone is happy. Please let us know if we can help some more.

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