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geisthexe
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posted 09-29-2002 09:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message

This news station has a poll up asking whether pit bulls should be banned... right now the results are 50% yes, and 50% no.
The poll is in the middle of the right hand side on this page....
http://www.theiowachannel.com

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Should Pit Bulls be banned ?
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No
Yes



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Albert
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posted 09-30-2002 04:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the info geisthexe,

I've voted YES. I think that pit bulls are dangerous. I think that dog attacks breeds statistics will also prove me right.

They might not be the only dog that often bites strangers, however, they are capable
of inflicting massive damage. Especially to kids.

Most attacks reported here in Australia are by pit bulls. They are known to suddenly attack the neighbours kid etcÖÖ.should be banned to my opinion.

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V.A.H
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posted 10-09-2002 06:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message
NO
There is no reason to ban any dog breed.No country in the world has cut dog attacks by this method,you can't find any studies, cos it fails!!It is a bad law which is cruel as it means lots of family pets get killed off.
As any and all breeds can be aggressive, badly bred or badly owned, they ALL appear in the dog bite statistics.Last year in USA Rotties killed 6 Colies 4 and ONE Pit killed and other breeds one each too--it depends on popularity and quality of ownership.

In Australia, American PitBull terriers accounted for only 3% in Victoria and less than 2% inQueensland of the only dog stats that FOI can show us.(GSD,Cattle dogs, Rotts and other breeds attacked far more!!But why ban--only the bad owners should be!! The dogs do as their human arranges, don't blame them!)
That means we would ban 2 dogs and pretend we had done some good, but 98 would still run free to bite!! STUPID LAWS!!
Pitbulls--which ones? the ones the newspaper says??who made reporters dog experts, they say a mastiff cross or a staffie cross is a pitbull and they only print the ones that look strong, long tailed, short coated upright ears!!Take a look and see if they tell you any FACTS!!?

Did you know one boy died in Vic,from a cross dog they called Pit,and it had been hit on the skull with a hammer numerous times? or the Adelaide Rottie cross RSPCA dog that bit the young boy, did you read (not in any paper they wouldn't print it!) that dog had a biro embedded in its ear--fair go--whatabout The Waterloo attack, it was Pitbull on TV and a staffie cross dog but that dog had 27 complaints, now what is any council doing about dog safety when they allow it still to be owned?
Why believe a dog will turn? dogs are animals and act as they think fit, ie they fear or defend something--we don't understand them-- a Pitbull will not turn nor will any dog and all dogs have the same jaw structure too, no shark crosses!!
The powere of the dog jaw is relative to size and the size of the dog which attacks a small child does not have to be large to inflict awful damage--any dog over 25kgs will take a man--we HAVE to train and supervise our dogs, and some breeds need a special owner who will see the dog is given the right ecercise, interest and training,, eg Border Collies need more than a small backyard--and the bull breeds need to do strong work--I do not own these dogs, or want to, but I defend the sensible owner's right to do so!!

We need truth and the APBT is the dog that has the BEST record of temperament in the USAannual test results over 20 years--that is never printed ,and Dr Wirth should be ashamed to say it is a killer, as the Bull and terrier dogs it came from,hundreds of years ago, were always culled of any human aggression as they had to be handled by lots of different persons and were "nanny dogs" with kids on the farm--they have the best temperament for children when wellbred and owned.
Staffies made APBT and APBT made the American Staffie-do we also kill them off and the bull terriers too, from the same ancestry??

Only education, good dangerous dog laws and fair strong rules like fencing, and leashing and supervision with children can stop dog attacks.
Come and read about the crap laws and how pet dogs in thousands are being mistaken and killed in Qld, under "Restricted Dog "laws--it is a crime and a disgrace. www.edba.org.au
Val the Sec: Endangered Dog Breeds Aust.

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Albert
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posted 10-09-2002 07:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message
V.A.H,

I hear what you are saying but go and explain that to a 3 years old
with 200 stitches over his face, hands and stomach.

It is just impossible to blame it all on the owners and hope that every
single owner will adhere to the rules 100%.

Therefore one must deal with the source of the problem and itís the nature of the dogs in question and the amount of damage they are capable of inflicting after jumping over the fence right into the neighbours yard.

These are really dangerous dogs, and as such should be treated as one will treat dangerous wiled animals. There are 100ís of other breads to choose from. Why stick to the ones that are so dangerous?. Is it really worth a childís life?. NO !

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asu_k9gsd
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posted 10-10-2002 03:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Albert
I also agree with what your saying about the poor victims of dog attacks..but banning pit bulls is not going to stop dog attacks as not all the serious dog attacks are by pit bulls, including some the media label as pit bulls you see a picture and they are not a pit bull at all but a cattle dog x.
What about little girl in Gold Coast who suffered facial wounds due to dog attack, would banning pit bulls have stopped this attack..NO..as it was a Belgium Shepherd, man killed by his own 2 dogs while trying to break up a fight would of banning all pit bulls have stopped that...no they were not pit bulls.
The problem is most people believe everything they read in the paper and attacks by any other breed does not receive the media coverage that the pit bull attacks do and 3/4 of the attacks that are reported to be by pit bulls are not even anything that even closely resembles a pit bull.

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Doc Helladay
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posted 10-20-2002 07:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I have to agree with Albert for a couple of reasons. One that being, around 10 years ago my son was getting off school bus, we are in the county I could see from a distance a dog running towards my son. My son took his backpack and immediately guarded his head..I jumped out of car and put myself in front of my son..My son was fine but I was not..then few yrs after that someone showed up at a AKC show and I saw a pit for no reason attack a 3 month old boxer puppy being shown..It killed the pup within seconds for no reason..Jaw would not even let go after pup was dead..they had to slam the PIT in the ground over and over.. For me I am very opiniated on this subject and is there any solution other than death?
Only one that I can think of is the owners with them have all their teeth removed and feed them baby food rest of their lives..They are sharks out of water..I will say no more and please for those that have them I am sure there are nice ones out there..Its kinda like cops theres the good and the bad...at the end they weed out the bad...at least we hope they do....
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Albert
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posted 10-21-2002 12:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message
V.A.H,

When i say ban, i mean make breeding these dogs illegal ( Dobermans, Pit bulls
and others alike as well. Breeds that are responsible for severe attacks).

I have absolutely no intention to suggest that current animals should be put down.
What Iím saying is, Simply stop breeding and selling pups to the public from this point on (or require special permits/ license for these breeds etc).

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posted 10-25-2002 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kelly Showalter   Click Here to Email Kelly Showalter     Edit/Delete Message
Absolutely not! There is no such thing as a bad breed, only bad owners! Pit bulls have a bad rap because they are hearty animals often used in fighting. They weren't born mean, they were trained. In cases where they weren't trained to be attack animals they are often abused or neglected, as is the case with thousands of companion animals yearly. There is no need for a ban on any breed, there is however, a great demand for more strict animal cruelty charges, and responsible pet ownership!

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ci11a
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posted 11-03-2002 01:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Pitbulls should not be banned, that's like saying lets kill all men because some are rapist.

A dog that is raised right will not randomly attack. I don't care what you might think, it has other issues that cause it to act the way it does. There might be jealousy issues, for example I have a Dalmation in the backyard and we had a basset hound and the Dalmation and the basset hound always got along while the dalmation was a puppy but the basset hound would pick on him. Once he got big and the basset hound tried to pick on him what did he do? He ended up getting into a huge fight with the basset hound and killing it. That's not because it's his instinct or in his breed. It's because he was being picked on and mistreated by another dog. Do you see what I'm saying?

I bet you I could find some satistics that will say that a huge precentage of some race or culture has commited more murders, or more rapes, or more of a certain crime. But you don't see people trying to kill everyone of that race or culture do you?

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Holly
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posted 11-03-2002 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Holly   Click Here to Email Holly     Edit/Delete Message
I work for a vet, who has to destroy the breeds that are affected by the BSL in Queensland Australia, I also instruct at our local dog obedience school and am a Mother of two school age children.

Dog attacks are not isolated by breed. In work our most savage are the ankle biters, I was mauled last week!

IN the larger breed category, the cross Australian Cattle Dog, is the one on our hit list of biters in the clinic.

We DO have APBT as clients and some are working pig dogs.

They pose no risk to us. The owners are intelligent people.

Just like with any breed, a person that wants to prove how tough they are, will nurture this is any breed of dog they own.

Banning a breed, will not work.

Educating foolish owners, requiring them, once they have owned a declared Dangerous Dog, that they have to go and do community service in a animal refuge and be banned from owning dogs for a minimum of 12 months, until they can prove that:
1. They understand what it takes to be a responsible owner.

2. Have adequate fencing in keeping with the dogs personal requirements.

3. Become model citizens themselves.

Dogs are a reflection of ourselves.

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posted 11-03-2002 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Albert     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Holly,

I Disagree. This is like saying, we should continue selling (known to be!!)dangerous animals to the public. Educating foolish owners, requiring them, once they have owned a declared Dangerous Dog, that they have to go and do community service in a animal refuge and be banned from owning dogs for a minimum of 12 months, until they can prove that:

1. They understand what it takes to be a responsible owner.
2. Have adequate fencing in keeping with the animals personal requirements.
3. Become model citizens themselves.

Ho, and what about them few kids that lost their life or are crippled for the rest of their life?. We'll tell their families that the dog owners are now being educated.

Here's some interesting statistics reading. Note the same dangerous breed names come up time and time again over councils lists - THESE BREEDS SHOULD BE BANNED or put under strict special licensing requirements (NOT BE FREELY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC - or out of densely populated areas, at minimum).

http://www.petnet.com.au/dcue/chapt10/popup10-29.htm

Unlike humans, Dogs are instinct driven. Therefore, trying to compare
them to certain human race like ci11a did in the post above (posted 11-03-2002 01:26 AM )is incorrect (and BTW ci11a, i realy don't care about what you think either).

Please note - my posts over this thread do not relate to pit bulls only but to
all breeds known statistically to be dangerous and that are capable of inflicting severe damage to humans - even death.

And yes, the breeds in question might only be responsible for a small precantage of attacks, BUT the most deadly or most severe ones.

The reasons for the attacks are realy irrelevant. The named breeds are exactly as Doc Helladay put it -Sharks out of the water and in 90% of cases - it is by nature.

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posted 11-04-2002 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Holly   Click Here to Email Holly     Edit/Delete Message
If people have sound knowledge on animal behaviour, animal ownership and have a fence designed to keep in their dog, how is that wrong?

Basically Albert, what you are saying is any dog over 6kg is to be banned from earth? Perhaps you would like to explain to the parents of the baby mauled to death by their jealous pet dog, a Pomeranian, how you deem that this is true and correct.

Children and pets should be supervised. I know I do, especially when my children were younger. I once found one of my German Shepherd bitches looking uncomfortable, why? Because miss 2, chose to put a pony tail scrungy over the dogs neck onto her throat, my dog happily obliged, if I hadn't found her she would have been dead.

Also, children need to be protected from their pets. Dogs can have an ancient machanism known as 'prey drive' triggered under the correct stimulas.

Children should be taught how to react to an aggessive dog, or if they are a child is scared of anything on four legs, I have shuddered when a visiting child has screamed hysterically when a 8 week old puppy has come over to say "hello".

Just like anything, the extremes will not solve the situation.

If I had a dog that bit anyone, it would be straight to the vet. We castrate dogs every year that really do deserve the green dream, but their owners emotional attachment is not letting them see sense, I pray that they never have to take a reality check.

Perhaps the answer to what you are proposing is we just go to KMart and by an electronic pet??? Problem solved

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posted 11-04-2002 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Albert     Edit/Delete Message
OK let me ask this:

Those of you that happen to walk across the street in close proximity to a
Bull terrier, Pit bull, Doberman, or a Growling Sphered etc. and felt absolutely
unafraid and were comfortable to get close to the animal.PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

Let me guess, hardly any !. Now let me ask the same question with the following
breed names: Poodle, Coker Spaniel, Border collie, San Barnard, Dalmatians, Maltese Shiatsu etc. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

No Holly, absolutely no need to buy electric dogs. There are 100ís of other
live dogs breeds to choose from. Dogs that are not natural born killers.

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posted 11-04-2002 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Holly   Click Here to Email Holly     Edit/Delete Message
Albert,
just how many American Pitbulls, have you met and in particular, have you patted?

My guess is none.

Perhaps you would like to visit my clinic, the next time one of the APBT has been confiscated out a responsible dog owners yard and bought into us to be PTS, not because they are vicious, but because they had the unfortunate circumstance of being born at all.

We PTS, on average 4 a month, not bad for a combination of two shires of around 50,000 people. There has been only one APBT, that was bought in at the end of the Animal Control Officers noose pole, and that is because the dog was a junk yard guard dog.

The remainder, wagged their tails right to the bitter end.

Now my boss is a kind person, but like myself has no hesitation in PTS dangerous dogs. It is gut wrenching for him to, to PTS lovley dogs, because they have a label.

Last week I was viciously attacked by a small white fluffy dog. I still have the bruisers and bite marks to prove it. This dog is what I call a little s***. If it were mine, he would PTS if he couldn't be retrained.

Last year I took pity on a male Mini Foxie, weighs in at a hefty 4 kgs.

Now my daughters play very safely with my GSD's.

My 4 year old daughter last year, went to pat this little dog and the dog flew her with teeth bared and he meant BUSINESS, I immediately chased the little s*** and caught up with him, gave a swift swipe that sent him hiding for hours. This dog has not attacked my child again. Thou I am fearful for little children and tell any that decide that little Lucky is a cute dog to pick up not to "Touch the dog" he can't be trusted.

I have a fear for my local tomatoe sellers dog, it is a Chi of all things. It is a agressive little s*** and comes from no where to attack.

People don't report little dog attacks as they are laughed at. But, what I do is picture these little dogs in a big dog body and then paint a horrendous picture.

Little dogs are generally surrogate children and their owners generally spoil them too, the dogs forget that they are dogs and become human and pocessive. They sleep on their beds, lounges etc. there are no clear boundaries for this little dogs and this is when they become dangerous. At least with large dogs in our clinic they generally give a warning, the dog that attacked me last week? His only indication was a fear in the eyes, no bark, no growl and because he was freshly groomed, looked incredibly cute and innocent.

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Albert,
I own a very friendly, well socialised and well trained German Shepherd yet you have given him the label of a natural born killer, you do not know my dog, have never met him yet you have given him this label are you some kind of racest or something.
I would also like to know how many of these dogs you have met or are you one of these people who make judgements on what you have read and seen in the media.

And no i am not afraid to walk in close proximity to a Bull Terrier, German Shepherd, Pit Bull or any of those so labelled by you as killer breeds that are being walked on a lead by responsible owners.

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posted 11-06-2002 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Holly   Click Here to Email Holly     Edit/Delete Message
Albert,
I finally had a bit of time to go into the dog bite statistics site that you posted here.

What are you trying to say about the American Pitbull Terrier should be banned???? I saw on the list Bull Terrier.

Does this statistic mean that all Bull Terrier types should be banned?

If you were to add together all the Bull Terrier breeds in Australia, gosh, that would included the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, the English Bull Terrier, Boston Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, have I left any?

The statistics of bites than are very small if they were to also add that these breeds account for a large dog population in Australia, just as the German Shepherd Dog is also a dog that is owned by many households.

Or are you trying to say that any dog over 6kg, should be banned?

It is only when you see the end product of poor training, will it ever occur to the hysterical public that dog attacks are not breed related, they are owner related.

"Nature creates the dog, the breeder makes the dog" Capt. Max V. Stephantz, founder of the German Shepherd Dog ( this quote should also include "and the owner makes or breaks the end product" )

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Did everyone forget this is a free country? I think it is totally up to the owners, what kind of animal they would like to own. Pit Bulls may have a bad rap but, if we were'nt so concerned on one breed maybe they woulnd't have the rap that they do. Also if they are so bad then why do the majority of law enforcement offices use these types of dogs. Surley our highly respected "men of the law" would not endager society by using them in a k-9 unit? It's all in how you raise them, treat them, and train them.I have just a few questions. Why are people so focused on other people wanting pitbulls? Should'nt we focus on the people that are fighting them and giving them the bad rap? Shouldnt we crack down on animal cruelty? Afterall you are so CONCERNED about this type of breed! Raccoons and opossums have attcked and are considered a dangerous animal for attacking people.... should they be "banned"?

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Rose
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OK, I live in the US, where we have some breed banning already, in certain cities, any Pit Bull or PB 'type' dog are put down upon being bought into the shelter, why? It's not the dogs, it's the OWNERS, often they are teenage boys that are in gangs, the dogs are a status symbol and are encouraged to fight with other dogs.

We have insurance companies that will no longer insure homeowners if they have a dog on a 'biting list'...dogs on those lists can range from Pit Bulls to Golden Retrievers...small dogs are almost always absent, although most Family doctors will tell you that they account for more bites per year than any larger breeds. The damage done by larger dogs, of course, is much greater for the most part, and thereby reported by the media more readily.(as we know, the worst the story, the more quickly it will travel)
In my life I have owned Chesapeake Bay Retrivers(often considered a mean breed)Labrador Retrievers(bred them for 13 years)Setters, Spanials, Pointers, Dachunds, and now, English Mastiffs. None of them were vicious. Our EM's are truely 'gentle giants', and would rather sit on your lap and lick your face, HOWEVER, I don't encourage anyone to get close to them...the size of their jaws in relationship to a human childs face is just too great.
BTW, my ex-husband, as a child was attacked by a St.Bernard, he'd done nothing to provoke. Upon autopsy of the dog(after the owners were threatened with a law suit---my ex was the 3rd child bit by this dog)it was discovered it had a narrowing of the vertabrae that must have been causing it extreme pain at all times...My ex has 2, 2 inch long scars on his face to show for it.

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Yes...All dogs are not "created" equal.
PitBulls as the name implies are "bred for fighting" because of their incredible bite power and ferocity.It is in they're genetic make-up..to attack..whether provoked or not.There is no reason to own such a dog.It has no herding instinct.It is not a hunting breed..It can't track.It can't pull a sled.it is not a breed a sensible person would leave alone with their children.Would you leave a loaded handgun with your kids? Because that is what this animal is.
Pitbulls are not the only breed that has these tendencies true.The Canarny Island Mastiff can tear a man apart in a matter of seconds.As a Owner and victim in San Fancisco,CA.USA can attest.The woman was in a hallway..without provocation 2 of these dogs broke loose from their owner..easily I might add..outweighing the owner by 40-50 Lbs each and proceeded to rip the woman apart.it was not a quick "painless death".she died after having her throat ripped out..and having hundreds of bites..leaving her arms and legs ripped to shreds.The owner tired to control these dogs both before and during the attack but could not stop it.Both owners were tired and convicted of Manslaughter.My dog when she see's someone or something threating me or her Territory "breaks off"..when she is told.Pitbulls..on the other hand do not have this ability and lack the ability to be trained because of their small brain size.
They say dogs are like their owners..Some are loving,Playful,Faithful,smart and Brave,hard working and Protective,all admirable qualities.If you need to beat your dog over the head with a hammer to stop your dog from attacking..what does' that say about "YOU" and your choice of dog..Bottom line is..Should everyone be allowed to own sub-machine guns for Protection?,I mean it's the same argument?The gun doesn't kill..the owner does..But They aren't very good for hunting..which I enjoy where I live.They're just for killing,Maming..Violently..without sense and reason.That is all they are good for.And it's just as stupid to say "Well other dogs bite" Why should only Pitbulls be Banned? Even a wolf in the wild will break off it's attack if hurt and tries to AVOID confrontations with Man altogether ..it has some sense.

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posted 11-27-2002 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Albert     Edit/Delete Message
SteveinThe USA,

It is refreshing to finally hear some common sense. I agree with you 100% !!

Watch all them experts jumping in now, trying to prove you wrong using examples i wouldn't even expect my 1 year old daughter to use while trying to explian her point of view.

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WELL FOR YOU SO CALLED "PIT BULL'HATERS, HERES SOME NEWS FOR YOU! MY PIT BULL JUST HAD 7 PUPPIES. THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO COMMENT ABOUT!!!!!#@!#@!#$

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posted 11-27-2002 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Albert     Edit/Delete Message
To springer,

No one hate any particular dog here. Just like I donít think that anyone hate lions or tigers etc. Your comment is simply out of context.

Some dogs are dangerous to humans and one should not argue with facts. They should not be sold to people as pets !

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Steven, those Dogs in San Fransisco were TRAINED (very poorly)to ATTACK, they had been MADE MEAN, and were NOT purebred dogs either...
With our English Mastiff I reach into their mouths on a regular basis to retrive strange objects, I've never even been nipped. While they might bark at a stranger or even growl if they think I am in danger, they back off right away. Most sensible people DO train their dogs to behave properly, those idiots in SF were really really sick for letting those dogs get away with what they did, and NO, she did NOT try to stop them, blood spatter tests proved that.

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posted 11-30-2002 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Holly   Click Here to Email Holly     Edit/Delete Message
quote Albert: "Watch all them experts jumping in now, trying to prove you wrong using examples i wouldn't even expect my 1 years old daughter to use while trying to explian her point of view."

I think thatyou have and are still voicing your own opinions as an expert in something,

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Holly,

For someone like you whoíve made a carrier out of putting dogs to sleep and call
some other types of dogs s****t (real dog lover will never use such description no matter what type of dog he/she describes) I must admit that you do have some nerve to
come and preach around here.

Iím no expert and Iíve never claimed to be. Bet you are a real expert at what YOU do !

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posted 11-30-2002 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Holly   Click Here to Email Holly     Edit/Delete Message
quote Albert: "Holly,
For someone like you whoíve made a carrier out of putting dogs to sleep and call
some other types of dogs s****t "

Umm, just a bit confused here, by what do you mean "carrier"? If you mean that I work for a vet and it is our job to PTS all the pound strays, because their owners have disposed of them for various reasons from too tight to pay to release, to being bored of the package? Or owners that have come in to PTS their pets, some I have tried to save by taking them, but their owners have refused or denied their dogs life saving or long term and expensive treatment. Then I am guilty as charged.

You need to be reminded, if this is the case, that we have saved dogs from PTS, that our local RSPCA has deemed unsuitable for rehoming, or that require treatment, which eats into their profit.

I wish that I was financial enough to be able to save more dogs than what I am limited too. I don't receive public donations and bequests. All monies used to assess, rehabilitate, medicate, desex and rehome, all comes out of my own very tight, family budget.

I also have to be choosey as far as temperament of a dog and the Animal Control Officers are reluctant to allow just any dog to be rehomed, as some dogs just aren't reliable enough in temperament to take a risk with another family, than I am GUILTY, of whatever you mean by carrier of death.

I do say some dogs, not breeds, are s**t. Just like in people, there are good and bad in every individual, if the bad outweighs the good and I have had the opportunity of owning just ONE dog, in my lifetime, that was totally bad, than PTS is far safer option than allowing the dog to attack someone and maim or kill.

But, never would I call a particular breed s**t, on breed basis alone, I am not a fool. Dog attacks occur with so many various breeds, that the only way your earth would be safe, is if ALL dogs were wiped off the face of the earth.

Some of our smallest patients, are our meanest.

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YOU GO HOLLY!!!!!!!!

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SPRINGER (Comment) YOU GO HOLLY>?? I have watched this post get bigger and bigger. In one of my posts in here I only touched the iceberg with ONE attack..I didnt mention one before DUE TO that this has happened in my family NOT ONLY ONCE BUT TWICE. The very first time my son was only 1 yr old and sitting on a couch watching tv at my friends house their 6 month old dog I will not mention the breed, so that there will not be arguments over it...the dog ran up to the couch grabbed my son by the head and shook him like a rag doll..my son was BLEEDING out of his EYES...DO I need to say more..I think not. Now this is my opionion, people that own breeds that have this tendency and there are little ones that are mean too..Lets do the world a big favor..When kids are around put the dogs up and TAKE NO CHANCE..For those that walk their dogs and see people walking take the moment and maybe cross the street. These special steps will take no time and maybe will save alot of misbites, injuries, lawsuits, and disfigurments that will LAST A LIFETIME... Hope my post does not hurt anyones feelings...
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posted 12-04-2002 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Holly   Click Here to Email Holly     Edit/Delete Message
Doc,
I can say that you didn't hurt my feelings for one. I am a parent too and I use my commonsense, when it comes to my children and my dogs.

I am so sorry to hear of what happened to your child, it must have been horrendous.

As I have said before, if a dog displays dangerous behaviour and the owner is NOT prepared to take the necessary steps to ensure that the dog CAN NEVER hurt anyone or some passersby innocent pet, than they should PTS the animal to protect all parties.

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doc, i am very sorry for what happened to your child. i am a mother of 2 and i feel for you. no you did not hurt anyones feelings but in return, i too would take extra caution with any dog aroung my children. i do not give any animal 100% of my trust because that is just the way it should be. for example we enforce the kennel we have in our home. it is not used often but when it needs to be. when i am busy or taking a shower or even when i leave the house the dog is "caged". some people think this is mean but it is my way of reinforcing the habbits of the dog and also the safety of my children. you should never leave a dog or any animal unattended with a child. thank you for your info.

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I THINK IT IS CRAZY TO BANNED PITBULL..I AM A PITBULL BREEDER.IF YOU WANT TO BLAME SOMEONE BLAME THE OWNER.IF YOU CAN NOT CONTROL YOU PET THEN YOU DO NOT NEED IT(THAT GOES FOR ANY BREED).I HAVE HAD PITBULLS ALL MY LIFE AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN BITTEN..NOT EVEN A GROWL.AS FOR PITBULLS BEING BORN MEAN...WHO EVER SAID THAT IS CRAZY.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL THE POEPLE THAT WHAT PITBULLS BANNED.
HOW WOULD YOU ACT IF YOUR OWNER PUT YOU ON A CHAIN..FED AND WATERED YOU EVERY 3 OR 4 DAYS,FEEDS YOU GUNPOWDER,AND THE ONLY ATTENTION YOU GET IS BEING HIT ON...WOULDN'T YOU BE ALITTLE MEAN?ALL YOU PEOPLE AGAINST PITS ONLY HEAR WHAT THE MEDIA HAS TO SAY..THATS HOW THESE DOGS HAVE SUCH A BAD REP.I HAVE DEDICATED MY LIFE TO THESE DOGS AND I WOULD RATHER BE IN THE COMPANY OF PITBULLS AS I WOULD TO MOST HUMANS.
THESE DOGS ARE VERY LOYAL AND LOVING CREATERS..ALL THEY WANT IS THEIR OWNERS LOVE AND ATTENTION.DID YOU KNOW THAT 1000'S OF THESE DOGS LOST THEIR LIVES IN MANY WARS.THEY GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR THEIR COMPANIONS.THAT IS MORE THAN MOST HUMANS WOULD DO.

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KILLER PIT BULLS RIP GRANNY TO SHREDS
New York Post. December 11, 2002 --

Two bloodthirsty pit bulls mauled an 80-year-old New Jersey grandmother to death this week,
leaving 80 percent of her body covered with teeth and claw marks, Posted byities said yesterday.

Investigators do not know why the dogs, Shay, 7, and Onyx, 1 1/2, attacked Julia Mazziotto in
her Garfield, N.J., home Monday.

The victim had long been familiar with the pit bulls, who were owned by her granddaughter and
the younger woman's boyfriend. Also, there is no record of the animals biting anyone else.

"The victim had known the dogs since they were puppies," said Bergen County Prosecutor John
L. Molinelli. "No one really knows why it happened and it's unlikely anyone will ever know."

Click here to read the the all story..

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posted 12-11-2002 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
I REALLY DO NOT CARE WHAT THAT WOMAN'S GRAND DAUGHTER SAID THERE ARE JUST ABOUT ALWAYS SIGNS OF ARRESTION IN PITBULL....

I AM SORRY YOU FEEL THE WAY YOU DO ABOUT THESE BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS...ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE BREED ..DO NOT BUY ONE,BUT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THERIGHT TO BAND A BREED...

WHAT IF I WANTED WHAT EVER TYPE OF PET YOU OWNED BANNED..WOULDN'T YOU BE PISSED OFF!!!

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posted 12-11-2002 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Holly   Click Here to Email Holly     Edit/Delete Message
The owner is generally the problem behind a dogs behavourial problems.

I have recently taken back a GSD bitch, 16 months old, that I bred. This puppy, as a baby was a gentle and easy going puppy.

For the past 12 or her short 16 months of life, she has been living with a Grandmother that is too fragile in health to cope with a young dog, she had her tethered to a running wire chain, beside a road, with no fence or kennel for protection.

At the moment, she is highly strung and a bit of a fruitloop, I am afraid.

She is a product of being owned by the wrong person. She has had no pats, attention, grooming or training since 6 months of age. The 40 y.o daughter never made it clear to me that she intended dumping the dog on Mother, because she was moving to a luxury estate in Brisbane, otherwise the puppy would have stayed here.

I do not blame this dog for her behaviour, I blame the humans in her life for letting her down.

There was a teenager in our street, who owned a English Bull Terrier, he would 'sic' the dog onto everyone as a joke.

His second dog, came 4 years later a female EBT, he treated her differently and she was a lovely dog.

The older dog snapped one day and attacked the boys elderly and sickly Mother, whilst her back was turned and in a bent position, if it wasn't for the neighbour, Shirley would be dead, the second dog, hung back and didn't join in.

Does this tell you something?

A good and ethical dog breeder, will not sell their progeny to just anyone wanting a dog, a good dog breeder asks questions and follows their intuition as to whether the buyer is suitable for their particular breed. Some breeders are unfortunately letting buyers and puppies down too.

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posted 12-11-2002 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
HOLLY,

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS...I DO BACKGROUND CHECKS AND HOLD INTERVIEWS WITH MY CLIENTS.1ST INTERVIEW IS HELD BEFORE THE PUPPIES ARE EVEN BORN.THEN I DO A BACKGROUND CHECK.I DO ANOTHER INTERVIEW WHEN PUPPIES ARE 1 WEEK OLD,ANOTHER AT 3WEEKS,ANOTHER AT 6 WEEKS TO MAKE SURE THEY STILL ARE INTERESTED AND TO SEE IF I THINK THEY CAN HANDLE THIS BREED OF DOG.
ALSO WHEN MY CLIENTS FIRST COME TO SEE ME I GIVE OUT PAMPLETS ABOUT THE BREED,A LIST OF BOOKS TO READ,AND I GO OVER EVERYTHING WITH THEM.I TELL EVERYONE THAT BUYS A PITBULL FROM ME,IF FOR ANY REASON THEY DECIDE THEY CAN'T TAKE PROPER CARE OR DO NOT WANT THE DOG TO BRING IT BACK TO ME.I ALSO HAVE A CONTRACT THAT THE CLEINTS MUST SIGN BEFORE THE LEAVE WITH ON OF MY DOGS...TO ME THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT MONEY..THIS IS MY WAY OF LIFE..THESE DOGS ARE PART OF MY FAMILY AND ALWAYS WILL BE...I JUST WISH MORE BREEDERS TO AS MUCH TIME AS I DO TO MAKE SURE THEIR DOGS ARE PUT INTO GOOD HOMES.

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posted 12-11-2002 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Albert     Edit/Delete Message
Quoting: PITBULL_PRINCESS1979
I REALLY DO NOT CARE WHAT THAT WOMAN'S GRAND DAUGHTER SAID THERE ARE JUST ABOUT ALWAYS SIGNS OF ARRESTION IN PITBULL....
I AM SORRY YOU FEEL THE WAY YOU DO ABOUT THESE BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS...ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE BREED ..DO NOT BUY ONE, BUT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THERIGHT TO BAND A BREED...
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Well i bet you don't. Judging by your nick name and the fact that you are a breeder of pit bulls.

I DO NOT hate any type of dog or any particular breed. I love all type of dogs and greatly appreciate the nature and loyalty of these great wonderful animals . Man's best friend !!!

However unlike you, i do realise that some dog breeds are dangerous and should not be sold as pets. They may be used for law enforcement preposes and under strict supervision, license etc. BUT SHOULD NOT BE SOLD FREELY AS PETS.

People are getting KILLED and in a most vicious way as a result. It is that simple.

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posted 12-12-2002 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
ALBERT,

THE WAY YOU TALK ABOUT THESE DOGS DOES SOUND LIKE YOU HATE THEM....AND I AM SORRY YOU FEEL THIS WAY.I DO BELIEVE THAT THESE DOGS SHOULD BE SOLD TO RESPONSEBLE OWNER..I AS A BREEDER TAKE IT APOND MYSELF TO MAKE SURE MY DOGS GO TO GOOD HOMES.
AS FOR BANNING THIS BREED...IT IS NO ONES RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT KIND OF BREED OF DOG I CAN HAVE.I AM A RESPONSIBLE BREEDER AND PET OWNER.I GOT INTO BREEDING PITBULLS BECAUSE 1)THE HORRIBLE REP.THESE DOGS HAVE.2)TO HELP EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT THIS BREED.3)BELIEVE IT OR NOT THIS IS A DIEINNG BREED.
THE FACT IS...IT IS VERY HARD TO FIND A TRUE AMERICAN PITBULL....YOU HAVE ALL THESE BACK YARD BREEDER WHO "CLAM" TO BE BREEDING PUREBRED DOGS WHEN THEY ARE NOT.SO PLEASE DON'T JUDGE THESE DOGS BEFORE YOU KNOW ALL THE FACTS.

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I believe there are good breeders in all breeds. Where things go wrong is when after the breeder goes to all the work, checking out the homes, making sure the pup is being placed in proper conditions. Time goes by things happen, people move, change phone number etc...THEN the dog ends up in the wrong hands, or dog runs away...could end up once again in wrong HANDS...dog found taken to pound once again wrong hands.(Vicious Circle. As a breeder they can only do so much making sure dog is doing good even maybe a year later..but as time passes on..Im sure any of you have at one time or another checked back on a pup you sold or placed..Did you ever get a recording "Im sorry that number is disconnected"? I speak of the 2 attacks on my boys now men now..The first attack on my son was a Doberman...1st son it was a Doberman(6month bitch). Second attack was a pittbull but I stepped in front of my son. NO attacks are Good attacks BIG or SMALL dogs Period!!!!!!...

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By the way: This post on pitts is becoming a novel, I don't even take my local newspaper anymore
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I think they should not be bred anymore, they have the instinct to kill. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

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WELL FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT THINK PITBULLS SHOULD BE KILLED .......snipped by admin


YOU PEOPLE FEAR WHAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND..I DO NOT THINK ANYONE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT KIND OF DOGS I CAN BREED...

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I've grown up with several breeds of dog throughout the past 30 years; from Schnauzers to Old English Sheepdogs, to Boxers (which I have now). From my experience with training and raising dogs, those who say personality is based on each individual are certainly correct...when it comes to THEIR dogs and THEIR personal cases. But on average, studies and statistics do not lie. There are simply breeds that are naturally more aggressive due to generation after generation of breeding within the same bloodline. Pit bulls have been bred to fight for so long, it is now their natural instinct to be an aggressive..and easily aggitated...breed.

And to respond to an earlier writer, there is DEFINITELY an issue when one breed has a stronger bite than another. For example, if a boxer clamps down on someone's arm, you can get the dog off that person. If a pit does the same thing, studies and actual occurences have shown that nothing short of shooting that dog will loosed its grip if it has attacked in "defense mode". And besides, what other breed can "lock" its jaw other than the pit bull? Being able to stop a prolonged bite from a dog can mean the difference between life and death! Allowing such a breed to flourish is irresponsible.

Add the aforementioned information to an irresponsible dog owner and you have a lethal combination. Too many "inner city" groups and certain ethnic and racial backgrounds see the pit bull as "cool" to own. They promote the already aggressive nature of this breed to the extent that attacks are rampant. Check your statistics anywhere and you'll see.

Bottom line: is it the Pit Bull's fault it is the way it is? I say no. It's 100's of years of breeding it for fighting that it is the way it is. However, what's done is done. What should be done is simple. This dog should only be permitted to breed for show and sold to certified & documented owners. The average Joe Schmoe who is buying these dogs for protection or to be "the shit" should not be allowed to own one.....PERIOD. The banning laws should be upheld in their current locations and instituted in those areas without them. I GUARANTEE you will see a drastic reduction in dog-attack related injuries and deaths if pit bull terriers are not on the streets and in back yards.

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posted 12-18-2002 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
I HAVE TO DIAGREE WITH YOU ON A FEW THINGS.I BREED PITBULLS AND HAVE BEEN AROUND THEM ALL MY LIFE.I ALSO HAVE HAD BOXERS.DID YOU KNOW THAT BOXERS AND GREAT DANES ARE OFF OF THE SAME BLOODLINE AS PITBULL?DID YOU ALSO KNOW THAT BOXERS WERE USED FOR BULL BAIT ALSO?A BOXER CAN AND WILL BITE JUST AS HARD AS A PITBULL.I LOVE ALL DOGS AND HAVE HAD MANY DIFFERENT BREEDS MYSELF,I HAVE CHOSEN TO BREED PITBULL BECAUSE A TRUE AMERICAN PITBULL IS A DYING BREED BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE YOUR OPION JUST AS I HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE MINE.I THINK BANNING THESE DOGS IS STUPID.IF THAT IS THE CASE,THEN THEY NEED TO BANNED EVERY BREED THAT IS CAUGHT BITTING A HUMAN OR ANOTHER DOG.THESE DOGS WERE NOT BREAD TO FIGHT THEY WERE BREAD TO HUNT.YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET YOU FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU UNJUSTLY ACUSE THESE DOGS OF BEING MONSTERS.
THERE IS NOT ONE BREED THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT NEEDS TO BE BANNED.ALL DOGS BITE..ALL DOGS GROWL..ALL DOGS EAT...ALL DOGS POOP..ALL DOGS NEED LOVE..
I BET NOT ONE PERSON IN THIS ROOM NEW THAT PITBULL WERE THE PRIDE OF THE USA IN WWI.THE US GOVERNMENT ISSUED A SEVERAL POSTERS WITH A PITBULL WITH AN AMERICAN FLAG AROUND ITS NECK.PITBULLS ARE MORE THAN JUST DOGS..THEY ARE PART OF OUR HISTORY.I AM PROUND OF THESE DOGS AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR.PRIDE,HONER,LOYALTY....
YOU ALL CAN SAY WHAT YOU LIKE ABOUT PITBULL,BUT YOU NEED TO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE ALOT OF BREEDERS OUT THERE THAT ARE JUST LIKE ME..WE WILL DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO KEEP THIS BREED ALIVE...AT ALL COSTS.
IT YOU WANT TO CHECK OUT THE POSTER I AM REFURRING TO CHECK OUT MY WEBSITE @ http://southern_pitbull.tripod.com

A picture of one of my puppies.

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I THINK THIS WHOLE POLL NEEDS TO BE SUMMED UP IN SOME SORT. WE HAVE OUR PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIKE THEM DUE TO NEGATIVE STATISICS, AND PERSONAL PREFERNCE ECT. WE HAVE OUR PEOPLE WHO LIKE THEM DUE TO POSITVE STATISTICS, PERSONAL PREFERNCE ECT. WE CAN ALL TALK TILL WE ARE BLUE IN THE FACE OR WE CAN ACCEPT THAT EVERYONE HAS THIER OWN OPINION. WHICH WE DO. UNTIL THESE LAWS ARE MADE, THIS IS REALLY NOT A BIG DEAL. I REALIZE SOME PEOPLE HAVE HAD BAD EXPERIENCES WITH THESE DOGS AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS OK. ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT KIND OF ANIMAL THEY WANT TO OWN. I TRULY BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT ALL THEY SAME JUST AS IN US AS HUMAN BEING WE ARE NOT ALL ALIKE IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM. WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES AND WAYS OF DOING THINGS. WE CANNOT SAY EVERY SINGLE PIT BULL IS BAD. I AM A PIT BULL OWNER, NOW OF TWO BECAUSE MY PIT JUST HAD PUPPIES. I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES. ALSO TO THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER IN THE POLL ABOUT "WANTING A PIT FOR PROTECTION OR TO BE THE SHIT" I DISAGREE. I ADOPTED MY PIT AT A VERY YOUNG AGE DUE TO HER BEING ABUSED, MISTREATED AND UNDERFED. ALSO FOR PROTECTION. I HAVE WORKED VERY HARD WITH HER IN THE PAST 2 YEARS TO TRAIN HER TO KNOW WHEN TO PROTECT AND WHEN NOT TO. SHE WILL TAKE TO ANYONE THAT COMES IN OUR HOUSE AND IS OVER FRIENDLY. SHE ALSO IS A SHOW DOG. SO I HAVE HER FOR A MAJORITY OF REASONS. NOT TO BE "THE SHIT". I AM 28 YEARS OLD AND A MOTHER OF TWO. I THINK I AM A RESPOSIBLE ADULT. ALSO WHEN I GET RID OF THE PUPPIES I HAVE MADE UP A PAPER FOR THE BUYER TO SIGN STAING THAT THEY WILL NOT USE THESE DOGS IN ANY WAY TO FIGHT. I WILL DO A BACKGROUND CHECK AND ALSO USE MY PERSONAL INSTINCT FOR THESE PEOLE WHO BUY THEM. I KNOW THIS WILL NOT KEEP THESE DOGS FROM BEING FOUGHT OR MISTREATED BUT I CAN DO MY BEST TO CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THEM.(JUST AS IN ANY DOG) LIKE I SAID I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES AND DO NOT WISH TO OFFEND ANYONE. I REALLY COULD NOT ASK FOR A BETTER DOG. COULD SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT LIKE THESE DOGS GIVE THE "GOOD ONES" A CHANCE? JUST FOR THE RECORD I WAS CURRENLY UNDER THE NAME SPRINGER AND THIS IS MY NEW NAME. ( FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE REPLIED TO ME BEFORE)

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WOW This post is going places. Should turn into a web site by its own right.

Maybe "The never ending pool about Pit Bulls story"....

Did you see what you've started geisthexe?. Where are you anyway?.. dropped a bomb shell and went.

A good healthy hot debate....just the way i like it. Comes to show that the problem is very real.

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Good breeders cull out aggressive dogs and find the good pups good families. Bad breeders sell their pups to anyone who will pay or take one off the backyard breeders hands. I was approached at my supermarket the other day from a fellow who I would stereotype as a drug dealer shady person. He asked us if we wanted a pitbull because he had 7 left at home, I aske how old they were, he said 4 weeks. Yikes. He most likely has never read a single book about dogs, let alone dog breeding.

In conclusion, there are more backyard breeders than responsible ones, therefore more dogs are put into unqualified homes, to be used for protection or macho image.
Ask any qualified pitbull owner how they feel about their pitbull. I would die to save mine or sell my house to finance any emergency.

Most of the losers who own this breed won't even have a thought out opinion.

Most people who have never owned one do not have a valued opinion either.

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It's very sad how some people choose to flaunt their ignorance about the pit bull. It's very easy to find out actual facts about the breed online. (check out http://www.nyx.net/~mbur/apbtfaqfaq.html#q3, also try www.pitbullpress.com) My own pit bull is one that I found on the street. He was obviously abused in his life, yet he's never shown any agression towards humans. He won't even bark at the mailman. Many dog bite incidents are wrongly attributed to pits. The San Francisco incident mentioned above was wrongly said to be done by pit bulls for up to a week after it happened. Any pit bull that shows agression towards humans should be put down. Owners of vicious dogs should be prosecuted. Backyard breeders need to be prosecuted. People need to educate themselves on this subject. Although I'm sure that all the positve info available on this breed won't make you want to own one, at least maybe you won't want them all eradicated.

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I was bit on the face by a German Shepard when I was about four years old. I required 268 stitches and twoo plastec surgeries to have my skin and eye re-attached. I am now 26 and have had to walk around with this horrible scar on my face as a remainder of what a bad dog owner is capable of.
My parents nor I have ever blamed the dog or the breed itself for the attack (this might be because we are a little smarter than the average boob and we think rather then react). The man who owned the dog knew it to be dangerous and left it around children unsupervised. When dealing with ANY breed of dog you should know not to do this, especially smaller dogs who are possesive.

As an adult I hear people all the time relating stories of attacks and how viscious this breed or that breed is. But here in the U.S. the amount of people who die from guns is almost 15,000% higher. Between 1978 and 1998 roughly 300 peopole were killed by dog bites. 300 is a pretty low number considering in that same period we had almost 1 million homicides by firearms alone. We have over 1,000 drownings a year. That is a hunderd times the amount of fatal dog bites. Do you know what the number one animal is for human deaths annualy? Horses. By twenty to one over the next animal..dogs. Considering there are far fewer horses in the U.S. than dogs don't you think we should focus on them? Not as glamorous though is it? Nothing like a snarling pitbull to boost the ratings, especially if you show it next to a young black male.

I now have two female pitbull terriers who are viscious. One time I saw them rip the wings off a defenseless moth only to swallow it minutes later. Worse than that they often attack friends and family with kisses and licks to the point of submission. I've been thinking of having them culled. I know I shouldn't allow these monsters to live.

Please do me a favor and do a little reading and a little living before you spew off nonsense about a breed and a cause you know little about. You sound strikingly familiar to another group of people who wanted to rid soceity of the wicked.......The Nazis.

Thank you for your time.

malcolmb33@attbi.com

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You blamed the owner of the dog that mamed you but not the dog your words were "The owner wasn't watching him..Then I have a guestion for YOU..Why weren't your parents watching you...? Now remember its just a question dont get all bent out of shape over it.

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