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#1SBT
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posted 03-13-2004 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for #1SBT     Edit/Delete Message
hi,
just wondering if this is a message forum designed to give pet owners advise on their pits or is this a forum designed for pit breeder to sit here and bash pet owners for not knowing as much as they do???
i have seen alot of people call people a iresponsible dog owners for asking a simple question about their beloved pet.
i myself have had enough of it and dont wish to post anymore posts here and wish to have my membership deleted.
and i suggest that the bashing stops or more than likely there will be a few more people leaving.

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kaseybaby1
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posted 03-13-2004 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaseybaby1     Edit/Delete Message
i totlly agree, i got bashed for my dog being left unsupervised in her own fenced in back yard while in heat!!! i will most deffinatly be looking for a new advise forum!!!! please delete my membership too!!!

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Mr.Pitbull5
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posted 03-13-2004 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr.Pitbull5     Edit/Delete Message
I too got bashed for asking a question about how to earn money cuz i've usually got money and have never had to mow grass or anything.and i was just asking adults who have been 17 before what they think i should do. and i expected some alright answers but no i got some smart *** replys saying i cant comfort my dogs and i shouldn't have the one i have. so i too would like my membership deleted from this site full of critisism.

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kyles101
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posted 03-14-2004 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
ok, lets get this straight. when you post a question make sure you clarify everything and dont make vague posts where people ask questions you dont want to hear. also, if you dont know much, expect to hear criticism. because after all, you shouldnt buy a pet on impulse and not know anything about what youre doing. i dont think anyone here is trying to run people off of this message board. they just care about their dogs and their future. if someone doesnt like the criticism, its usually because they either havent thought of what ive typed above, or because they know they might just be wrong. you cant take pet ownership lightly. if people arent strong enough to handle the truth then maybe they shouldnt ask 'sensitive' questions? to the people who think they have been hard done by im sure we'd all urge you to stay, and LEARN, and not be a jerk when the truth is told.

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Angie
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posted 03-14-2004 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Angie     Edit/Delete Message
hey kyles, do you think people should jump on your back for asking another person their email address?

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elizavixen
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posted 03-14-2004 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for elizavixen     Edit/Delete Message
I have to agree that some people on this forum get a little crazy. You ask a simple question and it turns into a huge lecture about how irresponsible you are.

Kyles - I agree and disagree with you on some points. Not everyone knows everything. If someone doesn't know something, it could be that they are new dog owners or just haven't been in that situation before. It doesn't make them irresponsible pet owners. The only way you know this stuff is to learn it. I doubt that anyone on this board knew everything there is to know about dogs before they got one. Now mind you, there is a difference between not knowing something and downright ignorance.

People come here to learn so you should teach them, not criticize them.

1SBT, kasey, Mr. Pitbull - maybe you should try the all types dog forum. They are a bit, how shall i say, friendlier.

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True_Pits
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posted 03-14-2004 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with Kyles. Yes some people ask for advise but on almost any forum you will get critizism.
What did Mr. Pitbulls expect take that situation. They are trying to get 275 to buy a dog, but need quick cash to get it. What happens if say the dog gets parvo which can cost $500 for treatment? Where will the money for that come from? This is what people were looking at. A 17 yr old, no money talking some BYB down from 450 to 275 that they don't even have. I'm not saying Mr Pitbulls is a bad person, I'm saying they need to be patient and wait until they can afford a dog. If you can't afford to buy a cheap dog then how can you afford to take care of it.

Kasey left a female who was in heat outside unatended. The bitch god pg. Well people are going to be upset over that. There are tons of mixed breeds (and even purebreds) dying in shelters everyday, many of these dogs have temperament probs or get back homes. Yet people still leave their unspayed females outside in heat. They fail to realize how many bitches have accidental litters everyday from being left outside. To be responsible alter your pets, if thats not done keep them from reproducing. Don't blaim it on other pet owners either. Its not that hard to make an appointment for spaying or to keep the dog safe from other dogs.

No one wants these people to just leave, but on just about any forum you ask these ? you will get critizism from some of the members. People are tired of it, the same questions or things seemingly just being commonsense to them. Its not like we can help it. The best thing to do would be to leave it alone and stop bringing it up. Let everything run its course. Don't keep saying I get bashed, ect just go on with your life and learn from the advise that is given.

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#1SBT
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posted 03-14-2004 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for #1SBT     Edit/Delete Message
with the situation of kasey she left her dog outside unattended, ok a dumb move but it was an accident, she cant help it if another persons male dog gets into her yard. noone can watch their dogs 24/7 unless they are crated.
im not saying noone should be upset im just saying to be a bit more tactful, and try to give some constructive critisism instead of abuse.
i myself get annoyed when people accidently get their bitches pregnant but i try to educate them and tell them other ways of keeping their bitches away from stray males.

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kyles101
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posted 03-14-2004 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
i dont belive i said in my post anyone was irresponsible for not knowing everything. i said they should expect some criticism if they have done the wrong things, and that if they can accept they made a mistake they usually stay on the board and learn. and angie, your post just doesnt make any sense, youve gone completely off the subject.

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True_Pits
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posted 03-14-2004 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
#1SBT in my post I did give ways to her, but she continues to act like she is not in the wrong at all, who knows she may even do it again. Its her choice but I offered ways to keep her from having anymore *accidental* pregnancies.

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#1SBT
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posted 03-14-2004 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for #1SBT     Edit/Delete Message
i just have 1 question.:
did any of you people do anything with your dogs when you were first starting out that thinking back on it you have realised you shouldnt have done it???
and if so did you get the responses that you have given people on here etc.kasey/mr. pitbull.
and kasey said she was going to get her bitch spayed after her first season, she probably didnt know it is better to spay before her first season.All im saying is give her a break she came on here to get helpful advice from experienced pit owners.
because personally i think you people are very experienced and know what you are doing otherwise i wouldnt have joined, but noone wants to ask a question and get bashed if it wasnt worded properly or it wasnt clear to some people what they were trying to say.

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True_Pits
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posted 03-14-2004 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
As far as your question, probably, but.....When people gave me advice I listened did what they suggested. I didn't act like it wasn't a big deal and not my fault. When I get critisized I consider what the people are telling me unless its just way out there and they are trying to cause trouble. I agree with some of what your saying #1SBT but if you look at her posts she continues to say she left the dog in her own backyard like its still not a big deal and not wrong, yes everyone makes a mistake but she wouldn't acknowledge that. You have to admitt that before you can learn from it. And as far as getting the bitch spayed after her first heat, better or not....does that really matter what makes sense? Getting the female spayed as soon as you can, hopefully before her first heat so you don't have to deal with it? Or letting her come into heat and not doing the proper thing and her possibly getting pg, or even protecting her but still having to deal with the heat cycle? Not getting her spayed wasn't just a simple mistake I think that shows she hasn't done research or even asked her vet about it.

I'm not trying to bash her. I gave advice on what to do, which didn't include leaving her in the yard unattended. I guess she didn't like that because her dog is treated like a human and plays with the kids, ect. I feel what I gave was good solid advice. Put on the special diapers, or cheaper boys undies with panty liner, and use a kennel crate.

It just upsets me, maybe it would be different if this was the first case, BUT this happens daily. People leave a female in heat outside and it gets pg, then they have pups to give away who in turn make more and more and more it is even getting harder in some cases to give away for free mixed breeds. Even though many purebreeds aren't much better out of the hands of BYBs people still want a purebred dog and now BYBs are offering pure dogs at cheaper and cheaper prices to compete with one another. So these mixed breed dogs have less chance than the pure breeds, even though both can be found in shelters and getting pg producing more unwnted, unplanned pups. Its the same as people having sex then an unplanned pg and not taking responsibility saying it was just an accident. But the truth is it could have been prevented.

Sorry if I offend anyone with my posts, its just the way I feel. Kasey should just let it go and try to listen to some advise. Just get on with the posts that you want to continue to make and don't bring up the indident if you don't want more heat or problems. Continuing to talk about what people said is only going to keep bringing more critisism.

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loves-da-pits
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posted 03-14-2004 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for loves-da-pits     Edit/Delete Message
When I made my first post about a behavioral problem I was having, the response was so blunt that I cried for feeling that I was a failure to my pits. But I went back an read and re-read and decided that they were probably more knowledgeable than I was about the APBT. Even though I did my reserch before I made the comittment, I knew about the health care, but not the tenancity of a pit when it has an issue with certain behavioral problems. I sought help from people who put me on the right track and I can say that my situation has greatly improved. People here, I believe, feel very passionate for their pets and for all pets in need of help. Listen and decide how you can make the relationship between you and your pet loving and long lasting.

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kyles101
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posted 03-14-2004 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
1sbt, kuma is the first dog ive ever had. so i guess you could say im inexperienced. but i have hardly made any mistakes. you wanna know why? i spent about a year, almost everyday, looking up information on akitas, training, feeding etc etc. if there was something i was unsure about id make sure i knew the answer before i got the dog. i had enough common sense to find these things out before hand. i love animals and i dont want to just jump in the deep end without a clue, its just worng. although i havent commented on the accidental pregnancy thing, i will now. my dog went through a heat as the vet advised us to do so because she had a severe bladder infection when she was little, and we were worried her bladder would become weak. so what did i do? i looked up as much info as possible, i asked my aunty for advice, went out and got dog pants, supervised her outside and i made sure nothing bad happened. it IS also very important to be clear in what you are saying. how else are we suppose to give people the proper advice if we dont know the details? you dont exactly go to a doctor and say to him 'im sick' and thats it. youve got to say when you felt sick, what symptoms you have, when you feel worst, what makes it go away. otherwise they arent going to have a damn clue! loves-da-pits, im glad you stayed. =]

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Jas

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posted 03-14-2004 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
Kyles wrote:
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ok, lets get this straight. when you post a question make sure you clarify everything and dont make vague posts where people ask questions you dont want to hear. also, if you dont know much, expect to hear criticism. because after all, you shouldnt buy a pet on impulse and not know anything about what youre doing. i dont think anyone here is trying to run people off of this message board. they just care about their dogs and their future. if someone doesnt like the criticism, its usually because they either havent thought of what ive typed above, or because they know they might just be wrong. you cant take pet ownership lightly. if people arent strong enough to handle the truth then maybe they shouldnt ask 'sensitive' questions? to the people who think they have been hard done by im sure we'd all urge you to stay, and LEARN, and not be a jerk when the truth is told.

I have to say I agree with what Kyles wrote. Very few members here outright BASH people. More often than not there is emotion behind their posts, because the type of topics are sensitive issues. For those of us who are involved with Rescue it is very frustrating to see repeated patterns which we begin to recognize due to a lack of education and research prior to getting a dog. There is little excuse to be an ignorant buyer/owner with all the information available these days via the net, breed clubs, books etc. When a post is made to a public forum they should expect to get varying opinions, and its not always going to be what they want to hear but instead of getting upset and start name calling perhaps they should look at the underlying messages. It does get heated sometimes but like Loves said - when they went back to re-read they were able to learn.

Anyway, lets all watch the wording of our posts, and try to remember we're here to help educate those who don't yet know any better.

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Samsintentions
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posted 03-15-2004 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, we all have questions wether your the expert or a novice. No body knows it all. Some of us like to think we do, but in reality we don't.

I understand that some people get frustrated, and even upset by the replies they get. But understand, most of us here are very passionate about our animals and can't seem to stress enough on the dangers, and problems that are arising.
And YES, some are out of line in thier posts, and I'm sorry if I have seemed that way. I have no intentions on bashing or making people upset. Only to educate and hopfully help on their situations.

Some people also come to this forum to start a big uproar. So how do you determine the real from the fake questions? Ask. Knotice that in most posts, someone asks a few vital questions, that in turn someone complains that its bashing. Those questions are needed to make an evaluation on the issue. How else are they to know what the problem is if they don't ask questions?

Don't get offended by every post, re read them, pick through the fluff, and get straight to the facts and point. If your offended, please state so and why on that thread, therefore, people can go back, asses the situation and proceed to fix it.


Yes there are alot of mistakes, problems, and plain ignorance. When people start to rescue like I do, you'll see much of that and the product of the stupidity of people.

So if your offended, please understand that some of us live the harsh reality of others ignornace and stupidity.
Education is the key to success. Corney yes, but true.

So if you still feel inclined to leave, please do so. Apparently you don't want to get over it nor compromise and attempt to fix the problems.
If not, Then Welcome back, and hopefully we can all get along and have constructive advise.

Thank you.

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kaseybaby1
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posted 03-15-2004 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaseybaby1     Edit/Delete Message
omg, give me a break i never said that i was not to blame for kacy getting out but let me tell you people something, i have 3 small children, a dog that i love with all my heart and to tell you the truth i HATED dogs before i got kacy ( how does that sit with you all?) i also have a cat, a snake and a very large house to take care of!!! i am 23 and very busy, i reserched on my dog believe me how do you think ive been able to train her, she listens better than my own children. i have accepted my mistake and not everyone is perfect and alot of people make mistakes. now that i have kacy i have become a strong dog lover and care for all dogs and report abuse ever time i see it, so dont come her and tell me that im irresponsible just cause im not an expert. ***MODERATOR EDIT FOR LANGUAGE***!! and personally im getting tired of you guys telling me that i am. if i was irresponsible than i wouldnt be here trying to find out how to take care of my dog, i would just say " she pregnant, o'well" and be done, but no im here dealing with a bunch of ***MODERATOR EDIT FOR LANGUAGE***over stupid mistakes i relize that so please get off my back!!! all i want is help and good advice so i can have a healthy litter and adopt theam to good homes!!!

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benny boy
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posted 03-15-2004 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
okay everyone lets all take a deep breath......in with the good and out with the bad. there now dont we all feel better. i think that we need to remember that everyone here loves their dogs. and nobody is perfect. if i had been more responsible, my dog wouldn't have run away or gotten stolen or whatever happened. the fact of the matter is that your dogs well-being is always the owners responsibility. and if something happens whether it was an accident or not it is still your fault. no biggie though, we're all people and we all make mistakes. nobodies perfect, i hope none of you guys leave because people were too harsh. there are alot of smart people here, and you guys would be missing out if you chose to leave and not hear what some of these people have to say. just remember you can't take anything personal. they just care about your dogs. take care, i hope to see you guys around in the future.

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Samsintentions
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posted 03-15-2004 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
Benny, you goin for the psychiatrist (sp???) rought now! he he he.... True.

Chill out Kaseybaby, i went back and reread the thread, I saw nothing too harsh. I'm sorrry they called you irrisponsible, but not all of us did, you should reply to them, tell them that you don't appreciate it, instead of accusing everyone of bashing.

We all have rocky moments, and "crazy" lives at times. We work through it, and try to make the best. I hope your dogs do go to loving homes. GOod luck with that.

I'm glad you've come to love our canine companions as well. So, If you have any further questions I'd be more than happy to assist you in any way I can.

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bullylove1
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posted 03-15-2004 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bullylove1     Edit/Delete Message
I know sometimes things said on here seem harsh, but it is just very compassionate. I know I have asked things before and been surprised by the "emotion" some people write with, and frankly I am the same way. My dog is my life, I do everything I can for her and she comes before everything else. I joined this site and others to exert all opinions on everything I could. I knew a lot about dogs in general before I got Harley, although she is my first Pit Bull, I still knew some general things, and what I didn't know my boyfriend did. Hes always been around Pits. This point I am trying to make is that no one is expected to know EVERYTHING about their dogs, but you are expecte dto act respnsibly and learn as much as possible BEFORE getting one. These forums are set up for adivce and if you ask for it people are going to give it to you. A lot of these guys have been in resuce, or been breeding/showing dogs for years! Therefore, thye are a very reliable resource for information and they have seen many of these questions repeated over and over, and many dogs dying in shelters everyday because many previous owners nevr bothered to learn the answers to many of these questions BEFORE getting their dog.
Just take what you think of critism out of their answers, and you will walk away very informed.

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kaseybaby1
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posted 03-15-2004 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaseybaby1     Edit/Delete Message
sorry if i offended the ones who have given me advice, i was not referring to theam, i was talking to the people who bash me for stupid things. like i said i care very much for kacy and if i didnt than i wouldnt be here!and i have said thank you many times to the ones willing to help with out critizing!!

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benny boy
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posted 03-15-2004 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
yeah i can get a little carried away sometimes i just dont want jas to get too bored, gotta make sure he/she is on his/her toes

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kaseybaby1
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posted 03-15-2004 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaseybaby1     Edit/Delete Message
bennyboy your from lewisville? i had a friend that lived there,maby you know her, jesie hassell?

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benny boy
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posted 03-15-2004 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
no doesn't sound familiar, sorry how old is she im 22. is she cute? lol

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bullylove1
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posted 03-15-2004 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bullylove1     Edit/Delete Message
oh benny

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Jas

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posted 03-15-2004 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
kaseybaby1 - this is the last time I will give a warning to watch your language before membership will be terminated. Please respect the rules here at Auspet

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kaseybaby1
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posted 03-15-2004 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaseybaby1     Edit/Delete Message
very sorry for the language! i really didnt mean to get everyone in an up roar about leaving your dog outside so im sorry for that too, but i could also do with out the nastiness of others towards the people who obveiously care enough to be asking questions and researching what they can!!

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posted 03-15-2004 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
I've been thinking about Mr Pitbulls post too. I don't think, or at least I wasn't trying to say you were the worst owner ever or didn't treat you dog well. But if you look at your post it was vague and doesn't sound to good the way it was written.

I think the same reply would have been given to an adult without income. No one is bashing you for being young. They were only making a point that you didn't have money to buy the dog so no money for care for it. I'm saying you should be patient and go to a totally different breeder because that one is a loser anyway. So no body was bashing you for your age.

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chickee
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I've been on a ton of different boards and mailing lists for the last 7 years. I have to say only less than a handful will moderate as good as this board. A moderator can only do 'so much' without having to shut down the entire board. The thing I'm trying to say is, You have to take the positive, with the negative. The negative is usually for the good too, but you just haven't realized it yet. Pit bull owners who post on pit bull boards can be "THEE" most callous posters of all. This is no lie! But, it is because our breed.....YOUR breed, is looked upon as the worse breed. That is not a good feeling for us. You are going to get negativity, that is no joke there, for sure. But, please do not dis an entire board because we are so pastionate in what we staqnd for. Please understand.
That being said, did you get all the links I sent you on your other post? Please look through them and bookmark them. You should know what to expect when having a pregnant bitch and moreso once is whelps them and afterwards. The afterwards is far more important, as puppies need to be WARM, and take it from me, just being inside the house does not warrant 'warmness'..... they need temps around 85ish. There are so many things that can happen ONCE puppies are born. Please bookmark all those sites I gave you and READ, READ, and READ.

Good luck to you and let us/me know how it goes. If you prefer, you can email me privately and ask questions. The deed is done, now lets go forward and make sure all goes well....

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Samsintentions
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posted 03-15-2004 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
AMEN!

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kaseybaby1
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posted 03-15-2004 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaseybaby1     Edit/Delete Message
yes i got those sites and thank you very much i will check theam out!!! i have gotten alot of useful info from alot of people and im glad i found this board. thanks to all!! and i think that i will go ahead with the preg. i talked to kacys vet today and he said that everything should be fine and she goes tomorrow morning for her check up!! i will let you know how it goes!! and i could use as much advice as possible

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posted 03-15-2004 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
Excellent post Chickee, thank you!

And thank you for posting with such civility and openness as well as taking the time to help with your information and links. That should be greatly appreciated and understood that you (and many others) could have just as easily retaliated or NOT posted any helpful info.

Cheers
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