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gamefan1221 New Member  Posts: 5 |
posted 02-17-2004 08:49 PM
 
You know, I never used to think much of dogs who may have an aggressive backround or have bitten people, becuase they are not the smartest animals in the decisions they make. But recently, I was bit last Halloween in 2003 by a pitbull that lived a couple of blocks away from me. What happened was I was out with some neighbrood friends when all of suddenly for no apparent reason a house I walked by was a dog barking at the front door when before I knew it it had bitten through the door handle and was running straight for me. I went to avoid the dog when before I knew it, it had its teeth lodged in my back. I tried to break free but it was impossible. By that time, the owner had rushed out of the house and tried to grab the dog. What made it hard for the owner was that the dog didnt have a collar to grab on to so he had to wrap his hands around its stomach. When after 2 to 3 minutes I had broken free from its grip, and had taken off as the owner shouted for me to "run for my life". Thank goodness to god my friends house was only three doors down, but when I was halfway there, the pitbull had bitten the owner and broke free and was after me. My four friends and I made it to the door but to our suprise, it was locked and we were pounding as hard as possible. What was going through my mind was that this was exactly like a horror movie. My friends and I were crammed together at the front door when the dog reached us, leaped in the air, and to defend my face I raise my left foot to kick it, and it latched on and threw me to the ground. I am a person who loves to were sandles and I would have been wearing them , but for my costume I happened to have steel toe boots on and the dog bit through them like they were paper. The pitbull had a sstrong grip on my foot for almost 6 minutes and it took 7 people to kick and punch the dog off. The pain from the dog biting over and over in the same spot was unbareable. I was thankful to come out mith my foot still intact. When we were in the house the dog started barking and tore down my friends screen door, ate plants, ripped costumes, and tore down the street lamps. I was so scared that it would break through the wooden door because it had already been successful in tearing down two doors that night. This incident changed my life forever. The owners had just settled a lawsuit a few weeks prior due from another bite from the same dog making it its third attack. It took too long before the dog was put to sleep but I am glad it is. I happen to be involved in many community sports and I have not been able to play them for the past few months due to puncture wounds and crushed metatarcel bones in my left foot. As I am writing now, my foot still throbs with pain as I had a wrapping on it and a boot I had to wear and use crutches for 10 weeks. It really affected my school performence as I am a high honors student. But I recovering well and am waiting to go to trail against the owner. The reason I have wrote this article is becuase I wanted to know everyones oppinon on the breed of pitbull because to me they are the breed of dog who is very alert and is know to attack randomly. I do realize there are some pitbulls who are trained to obe good house dogs and that is shown by how the owner treats them, unlike the one I was attacked by in which the owner was involved in a gang and the dog was used for dog fights. I am not against any person who owns a pitbull its just I think very different of them and all dogs now, as I have a permenant fear of all dogs. But I am against owners who use Pitbulls in fights or abuse them which is a huge cause in their aggression. Before this incident I always knew they were the breed that records the most attacks and I dont get why people think they are good breeds. Just because an individuals dog may be nice, the overall population of them are terrible, people need to get that through them. I just want to know your oppinion on the breed of Pitbulls because I dont think owners should be able to own them unless professionaly trained to be great dogs. Thanks! IP: Logged |
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chickee Member  Posts: 150 |
posted 02-17-2004 10:35 PM
OMG, that was terrible!!!! I'm so glad that you made out as well as you did. Hope you get back to your old self very soon. I am truly sorry you had to go through this because of a bunch of kids who think it's cool to abuse their dog into aggression like that. This is NOT cool and this and other stories like it are the reason our breed in general is getting a bad rap. Their history does not include human aggression, but you wouldn't know it sometimes with some of the a$$holes who own them. The thing is the pit bull has been around for way over 100 years, but you didn't hear about them until sometime in the 80s when people started using them for attacking and protecting, WHICH THEY ARE NOT BRED TO DO. Anyway, I'll reply again when I have more time to say what I want to say. [This message has been edited by Auspetian (edited 08-11-2005).] IP: Logged |
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Deus Member Posts: 136 |
posted 02-18-2004 04:38 AM
I feel your pain gamefan1221 but please dont blame the dog blame the idiot that raised him. Rite down the street from me lives a couple with a AB he cant be more then a year old. He came at me twise so far when I was just walking down my street, Both time the owner was standing rite there saying (oh he wont byte)I told them that there is a leash law here in the state of CT. and the dog should not be aloud to run loose so he can chase people up & down the street like that. A few day's later it happend again I told the guy I was going to go home and come bach with a baseball bat and bash the dogs freeking skull in (I was p!ssed) As we wer having that little conversation some youg kids come out of the store on the corner a few yards from where we wer talking and the dog instantly made a B-line rite for them the guy was screeming for the dog to return but of course he was waisting his breath. One little girl who looked to be about 8 or 9 panicked and darted across the street all I herd was the loud skreech of a car and then silence. Everyone ran up to the intersection fearing the worse fortunatly the little girl was un harmed, the drive looked like he was about to have heart attack but no one was hurt. To shorten the storie, with training and disaplin that dog may have turned out ok but in the hands a irresponcable idiot that same dog is now a dangerous. So where do you place the blame The dog or the idiots that owne him? ps IP: Logged |
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bullylove1 Member Posts: 173 |
posted 02-18-2004 02:18 PM
Gamefan, I would like to send my condolences to you. Something like that truly is a life altering experience, and can ruin anyones perception of an animal. I think it is very intellegent of you to write and ask other peoples opinion on the subject. Obviously since you are writing on a pit Bul topic list, you are aware that most of us are owners of Pits or Pit mixes and love the breed. Although there are a couple of posters here who disagree, the majority ofus live to protect the reputation of this misunerstood breed that we own and love. First off, you should understand that Pit Bulls were NEVER bred to be aggressive towards humans. Even when they were used in fighting, any dog that showed aggressive tendencies towards humans were destroyed. It was literally bred out of their gene. That being said, any dog can turn. You could have a lovely lab dog (common "family" pet) that everone thinks is a loving dog, but beat it, keep it cahined in a yard, starved, and neglected from any socializing and that dog is going to turn. Also, I have never heard of such a terrorizing story as you have told, and had the community acted responsibly, the dog should have been put down a long time before any of the attacks happened. I do not think that human aggression should be tolerated in any animal, and in cases where there is active human aggression, the animal should be euthanized ASAP to avoid further harm. I would also like to add that as an active member of society it is everyones duty to look after their community. I know that if I lived 3 houses down from a know drug dealer who had dog fights in their backyard, I would not look the other way and pretend nothing is happening. By doing so, you are encouraging these people to commit more heinous crimes and allowing more animals to be beaten senselessly just because they fall prey to the wrong kind of people and noone gives a damn! Too many people these days see animals and people in danger and do nothing because they assume someone else will call the police, or think that if there is nothing to worry about, they will cause a problem. Well, let me assure you that if I was getting beaten by someone on the street I would be praying to god SOMEONE would try to help me, but chance are, most people would walk away. You sound like a very courageous girl, and you have certainly been through a lot. Good luck to you in the future, and please dont give up on all dogs. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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texmex83 Member Posts: 42 |
posted 02-18-2004 05:58 PM
gamefan1221 sorry to hear about what happened, but yo kow what. It really isnt the dogs fault. It cant decided who owns him. And Pits arent #1 for bites, they are only said to be. I know more winne dogs that bite, but they do not get in the news like pits, Rotties,Dobies, Mastiffs, or any larger breed of dogs. Really whos going to report getting bitten horriably by a small breed of dog?? I own 2 pits and a Lab, guess what my lab is by far more aggressive then my pits. IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 02-18-2004 06:38 PM
Sorry to hear about your bad experience 
quote: Dogs are animals, not people, and why they do what they do will always seem random to us. Aggression is not individual to group, or even one breed of dog.
quote: A dog's temperament is not all about training.... training and upbringing can help shift a dog's temperament slightly one way or another, but it is what it is, and no amoutnt of training will change that. One of our dogs was found with an open break in her leg that had been taped up with electrical tape.... so obviously someone had been trying to repair the damage, whether it was an owner or otherwise. She's gone on to have several surgeries on the leg (which was aputated) and to develop a disease which requires her to get shots twice a day. This dog's upbringing was undoubtably not the best, yet she has an absolutely sterling temperament with people. She's a typical APBT, and the hardships she was put through could/can not overshadow her natural good temperament. The dog that attacked you was an anomaly of his breed, and while that makes it no more acceptable, it's certainly not reason to condemn the entire breed. From what you stated, his owner was horrible to the dog, and likely enjoyed the thrill he/she got from having a dangerous dog. This type of owner coupled with ANY dog of any breed is setting up for a huge tragedy.
quote: Why is any dog a good breed? Do you think that a Collie (for example) that had been in the situation you describe this dog was in would have reacted differently? If they had reacted the same, what would you be saying?
quote: Likewise, just because an individual's dog may be aggressive, doesn't mean the entire population is the same. Dogs, like people, are individuals, and there are good and bad of every breed (race), just as there are in humans. There are good and bad in every breed, and a bad labrador or collie is just as capable of hurting someone as a bad pit bull. IP: Logged |
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gamefan1221 New Member Posts: 5 |
posted 02-18-2004 06:40 PM
Im not trying to be mean but I think different. Lets say a child is abused by an abusive family, not all kids turn into murderers, same with dogs except for the exception of a few breeds including pitbulls which cant control their actions. And there may be a small chance of other breeds who bite more, but I would have to look into it. And probably the reason they arent recorded as m uch is becasue they may be little nibbles or tiny scratches which mean nothing, unlike pitbulls or labs or german sheapards which leave puncture wounds, missing fingers, amputated arms or death. Those are the injuries that change peoples lives. It is the owners fault and the dogs fault for injuries that occurr. Please don't take this in a bad way, it's just my feelings of certain breeds because I was bitten by one. It's just a thing that happens who are bitten, they fear the breed they are bitten by most of the time, and thats how I feel, though I know people of love them. And thats ok. IP: Logged |
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gamefan1221 New Member Posts: 5 |
posted 02-18-2004 06:44 PM
so not to get confused , the message above is a response to texmex83. IP: Logged |
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MyPetTherapyDog Member Posts: 157 |
posted 02-18-2004 06:48 PM
Gosh, sorry to hear your story. I can see why this incident altered your opinion of pitbulls and dogs in general. I must say in the dogs defense, it is 99.9% of the time, the owners who own the dogs fault when an attack like this happens. Unfortunatly, the dog has no choice as to who owns or trains him. PS. texmex83 my yellow lab is much more aggressive than my pits too!!! LOL I say Susan IP: Logged |
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gamefan1221 New Member Posts: 5 |
posted 02-18-2004 06:57 PM
Thank you for your sympanthy MyPetTheropyDog. It is true that nearly 100% of the time its the owners fault in how they raise their dog. A few of my friends own Pitbulls and I think nothing of them because they are nice dogs. Pretty much the message I'm trying to get out is that abusive owners should not be able to own dogs to turn them from great companions to an aggressive animal. I wish that everyone could realize there is no good in turning your animal into an aggressive pet. Its not right. IP: Logged |
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texmex83 Member Posts: 42 |
posted 02-18-2004 07:55 PM
Gamefan, I didnt mean all that to be in a bad sort of way, but I would also like to point out that even though a toy sized or small sized dog can do alot of damage. I had a dashound that nearly took my little brothers ear off and took a chunk out of my little sister head, he on the other hand was food aggresive, which was the cause of the attacts. I agree with you bad owners ought not be able to own a dog, any. And the ppl who are charged for animal crulty should have to serve more than a few months in jail, and their fines ought to be more than up to $1000. Dont judge a breed for what happend, I know that being bitten by a dog is bad enough belive me I know, I have problems with my left hand for being chomped on by a chow chow when I was 13, But just because there are bad owners dont mean a breed in itself is bad. Ihope you make a full recovery. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Lovingmom New Member Posts: 2 |
posted 02-19-2004 11:21 AM
I just wanted to add the perspective of the mom who had to find her son after the attack, bleeding and in excrutiating pain. I know that this situation would have turned out differently had a different breed of dog bitten my son. The design of the jaw on a pitbull makes it nearly impossible to remove it once it has taken hold. My son is the size of a man and he could have fought off almost any other dog with less severe consequences. Love your pitbulls if you must but don't turn your back or let your kids make a false move in the same room. If you need further proof of this, I can direct you to other websites (news channels) with numerous attacks on both children and adults with some horrifying results. This is a breed specific problem and once this is realized, we will be safer with these dogs exterminated. I know I sound harsh, but that night when my son was attacked, I was out with my other 3 children ages 10, 8 and 2. This story would have had an entirely different outcome had we been with the big boys. And God forbid, you have to spend the night in the emergency room watching your child's pain and knowing that you can do nothing to help but be by his side. Try to understand each persons point of view. Thx. IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 02-19-2004 04:35 PM
quote: I assure you that I've seen the view from the position of a family member of a victim of a dog incident.... only the person in my experience did not survive. The incident I speak of involved not a pit bull, but a 25 lb Dachshund.
quote: The jaw of a pit bull is indentical to that of any other dog, that is a PROVEN fact. It is determination which makes a pit bull hold onto something it has bitten, and that is a characteristic any dog can have.
quote: Several months ago, a child was attacked by two large (80 lbs or so, I think) non-pit bulls.... two grown men were trying to get the dog off the child and were unable to succeed. The point of this? A determined medium/large dog in most cases will be more than a match for most average sized people, irregardless of breed.
quote: I'd trust either of my pit bulls with a child before I'd trust any of our other dogs, or most of the dogs on our street (primarily labs, lab crosses, and small breed dogs) with a child. Of course, caution should be exercised with ANY dog around a small child, as accidents can and DO happen, so prevention is key, no matter the dog or child's temperament.
quote: Given the media's tremendous ability to ALWAYS get the facts about an indicent before reporting, I wait with baited breath to see this proof you will use to open our eyes to our errors of judgement. Don't be surprised though when you are met with equal accounts of horrific attacks by non-pit bull breeds, as the problem you bring to us is not a "pit bull problem", but a "dog owned by irresponsible person" problem.
quote: Extermination of pit bulls would not have prevented the death of my family member, just as extermination of Dachshunds would not have prevented the trauma you and your son went though. Your "solution", while it might pass a cloud of security over yourself and others of your mindset, will do nothing to actually solve the problem, which lies not with pit bulls, or even dogs in general, but with irresponsible dog owners. [This message has been edited by goob (edited 02-19-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Angie Member Posts: 171 |
posted 02-19-2004 04:55 PM
goob... you always have the best replys! You are very intelligent! I agree with you. But I feel that if I had got bitten by a certain breed of dog.. anytime after that, I would be VERY cautious around that specific breed ...I have never been bitten before but I THINK thats how I would feel if I had. I never feel threatened by any Pit Bull, unless they are growling at me and of course showing teeth! Or if that dog has bitten before, then I would be cautious. My best friend has a mini dachshund and she is VERY moody and even though she (Reese) has never bitten anyone, she has a LOT of bark and has snapped before. If someone is around my brother's (5)Pit Bulls and also the mini dachshund at the same time, they (for some reason) automatically feel threatened by the Pit Bulls (mostly the biggest one..the male). And its so funny because he is the sweetest of them all, he is like a big baby and the Dachshund is the one to be worried about. I can understand them feeling that way about a person's dog if they know that that person taught their dog to be vecious (sp?) guard dogs but all our Pit Bulls are so loveable! I wish ignorant Pit Bull owners would get some sense in how to treat their pets right so that our wonderful pets could have the good reputation that they well deserve! [This message has been edited by Angie (edited 02-19-2004).] IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 02-20-2004 02:07 PM
ahhhh, GOOB, GOOB, GOOB....your posts never fail to make me smile  when are people going to realize that you can make any dog agressive? i mean if that guy would've owned any other breed i'm pretty sure that it would've ended up with the same mentallity as the pit did....some things in gamefans post i dont really understand...the dog chewed through the door handle? and it tore down some street lamps? and something about pits being the breed that records the most dog attacks...thats not true is it? i know they score better than most breeds on the temperment test, and are viewed as very stable dog. man, i hope that you dont have a negative impression of all pits from this experience, i can't imagine having to go through something like that. but please dont stero type an entire breed bc of some messed up owners. and maybe if you read some stuff about the breed it would change your mind....i dont think that the little rascals were ever in danger. IP: Logged |
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Angie Member Posts: 171 |
posted 02-20-2004 03:29 PM
Ya know, my dad was that way...he didn't like Pit Bulls. He didnt really have anything against them but its just that JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BREED, they can bite at any time and they are a lot stronger then many other breeds I would guess. When my brother moved out and now has 5 Pit Bulls, he finally talked my dad into letting me get one of my own. (since i live with my dad). I think now he realizes that they are not as bad as he thought and I always catch him playing with Shianne. He thinks she is so funny..lol (She is a goofy dog though!) Now my dad wants one of my brothers PIT BULLS! lol isnt that funny. Anyway, if people wouldnt be so closed minded and only believe what the news tells them and also all they know about are the bad owners, then they can never get a chance to experience how great the breed is and I can just imagine how suprised they would be! IP: Logged |
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gamefan1221 New Member Posts: 5 |
posted 02-20-2004 05:01 PM
You know what bennyboy, everyhing I said was true. I witness it, saw the torn up things. The dog bit the dog handle of, broke my frineds screen door in a matter of 2 to 3 seconds, and did everything else I said. You may not believe it but its true. You dont see many pyscho dogs like this one. And we dont base our statistics about dog bites just from the news. My mom and I have done tons of research since the incident, and doctors statistics show that Pitbulls, labs, rots, and german shepards are the most vicious dogs. Pitbulls standing at #1. Some people just dont get it, but they arent the most friendly breed to own, even if certain ones are, and im not basing this from my incident, just the overall feelings of people about them. How come you never here the news or the government saying such great things about them. All I seem to hear is that they are trying to ban the from every state and that people should watch out of them. IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 02-21-2004 12:19 AM
quote: Statistics mean absoutely nothing if you can't interpret them correctly. The statistics you have found likely report top breeds for bites and attacks of various severity. They do not go into detail about (these are just a few examples, there are others) A. The circumstances surrounding the bite; B. How the dog was identified as being X breed; C. The population of X breed as compared to the amount of bites/attacks by said breed; D. errors in data collection such as some bites not being reported, bites being reported to the wrong dog, etc; among other things. Since you undoubtably failed to look into any of these factors, I'll help you out a bit. A breed that has a large population of dogs is generally going to have more dogs that bite than a breed with a smaller population. A large dog will generally do more damage than a smaller breed. Many people do not report bites by dogs they know, or that they don't think are serious, which skews the statistics as well. The average person cannot correctly choose the American Pit Bull Terrier ("pit bull" is a term generally used to lump together several breeds of related, similar looking dogs that share the same ancestry, not a breed in itself) out of a lineup of an APBT and other similar looking breeds, so how is it to be believed that these bites are being reported correctly? In your extensive research, you should have noticed that most reputable sources of information concernign health issues also state on the issue of dog bites that there are many factors contributing to attacks, so it is impossible to accurately determine if any one breed is mroe dangerous to another. Of course, given that you are quoting false information (re: pit bulls jaws) about something you have "entensively researched" (not to mention that in a previous post, you said you would have to "look into it further" as to whether any other breeds bite as often as pit bulls.... less than a week does not provide for extensive research), it would appear that your research has not been done as properly as you would have us all think. The CDC states in their "dog bite related fatality" report : quote: Link to the above here: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbites.htm
quote: I've been around my own and other peoples' pit bull for 10+ yrs (there are others here who probably have more experience with the breed than myself). I've seen them in a variety of situations, vet clinics (my mother's worked in one since I was a young child, and I was there frequently, so I got plenty of chance to see the good and bad of many breeds), grooming shops, training classes (the place we're currently taking a couple of our dogs is in an area where pit bulls are pretty common, so there are a lot there), and other areas of life. There have been only a handful of pit bulls that I would not trust, out of all those I have met. I've encountered many aggressive dogs of other breeds, including several here in my own neighborhood (none pit bulls, ours are the only ones around), so I feel pretty safe in saying that they are a safe breed to own.
quote: You don't often hear the government saying great things about any dogs, they have more important things to do. They did apparently trust a "vicious pit bull" enough to have one on the team used to find the remains of the astronauts who died in the Columbia shuttle crash last year, and also to help the FBI search for a victim of a high profile murder.
quote: Only one state has statewide restrictions on pit bulls, and even then it's not an outright ban. Some individual cities have breed restrictions, but on the contrary, many other places (cities and states) have disallowed restrictions by breed, as they have seen that such laws are unenforceable and don't solve the real problem with biting dogs. [This message has been edited by goob (edited 02-21-2004).] IP: Logged |
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daddyfs Member Posts: 86 |
posted 02-22-2004 04:46 PM
gamefan.. are you serious.. or exaggerating?? (spellin) bit threw a handle and tore down lamp post.. this is all too laughable.. you MAY have gotten bit but i doubt it.. you said the dog kept bitin you over and over in the same spot.. then you said it toke your friends 4 of them.. to pull him off.. this dog also bit his owner to get to you LOL.. you my friend need to be on comic view [This message has been edited by daddyfs (edited 02-22-2004).] IP: Logged |
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#1SBT Member Posts: 29 |
posted 02-22-2004 10:05 PM
i am amazed a pit bull can rip down a lamp post. it must have been some sort of super dog to be able to do that. im dot debating that it bit you, but i dont think there is a dog that can rip down a lamp post. but seriously you shouldnt blame the breed you should blame the owners who raised him so poorly. i myself used to hate pit bull and i also have been bitten by one, not a serious bite but it drew blood, and i swore i would never ever own one, until i saw my mates amstaff and i got one of his pups and now i love the breed. you even said in your post that your friends have pit bulls and you like them, then you go on to say that they have agression that they cant control. they are not all bad dogs,basically if you raise a dog to be agressive it will turn out agressive. IP: Logged |
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Lovingmom New Member Posts: 2 |
posted 02-22-2004 10:06 PM
To goob and daddywhatever your name is... We HAVE done extensive research on the bites and attacks inflicted on humans and other animals by pit bulls. If the spelling in your posts is any indication of the caliber of your mentality, then we understand the type of individual you both are. Go ahead and love your pit bulls! I'm not too concerned if your dog turns on you since you don't seem to care either. We will list several links at the end of this post that you make check out if you dare. You will see that we are not making up these FACTS but are just investigating something that we feel strongly about. Oh, and daddy....you think it's funny that my son got bit? And you don't think it happened? Well, it happened and I have 4 kids that are now safer along with all the other kids, adults and animals in our neighborhood because this animal was euthanized. Not only that, I've been approached by several of the dog owner's neighbors, thanking me for taking the steps necessary for removing that "ticking time bomb on 4 legs" from our neighborhood. Here is the link to my sons attack. We have several, but heres one: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/print_110103_ns_dogattack.html
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/print_110103_ns_dogattack.html http://www.dogexpert.com/Photos%20(Bite)/DogBitePhoto11.html http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/081303_ns_pitbull.html http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/081303_ns_pitbull.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/04/national/main556888.shtml http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/apmaul12-23-03.htm http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/12/13/pitbull.attack.ap/index.html http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/154172 http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/2811008/detail.html http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/2831608/detail.html http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/2672065/detail.html
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chickee Member Posts: 150 |
posted 02-22-2004 10:23 PM
IS this all you do all day long? Look for ways to kill a breed of dog? As for the dog you had a hand-in putting down. Well good for you. ANY dog who attacks should be put down. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Are you now a celebrity in the 'hood now? Their new maryr. It's just too bad you know not what you speak. Once the pit bull is down, whose your next breed to go? You just don't get it and you refuse to see the light. IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 02-23-2004 12:58 AM
quote: It has been my experience that people often point out others' grammatical and spelling errors in a piece of writing when they are grasping at straws for a means of validating their own argument. That may or may not be the case here, but at the very least, it is extremely distasteful considering that not everyone on this forum (or any other you may encounter) is from an English speaking area, nor is English everyone's first language. Attacking one's argument is certainly and acceptable way to change minds, but attacking individuals for mistakes in their writing and commenting on the "caliber of their mentality" brings nothing to the table in the argument, instead making you appear shallow and immature.
quote: I'm glad to hear that the dog was been removed from the neighborhood, and as I said before, sorry to hear that he was allowed to injure someone before that happened. You're absolutely right that the dog WAS an accident waiting to happen, any dog that has attacked someone under those type of circumstances needs to die, irregardless of breed. It's a shame the owner wasn't punished though for abusing their pets and then not taking responsibility for their aggressive dog and keeping it under control or having it euthanized themselves. This is true for ALL dogs, of any size, shape, or breed. As for your list of pit bulls attacks... Your "real dog expert" findings on pit bulls are not actually findings of an "expert", rather those of Sports Illustrated magazine dated from the year 1987, almost 2 decades ago. I will also say that a professional looking website and self proclaimed expertise does not an expert make.... and if I were looking at this man from the standpoint of a consumer, I would most certainly ask exactly what experience he actually has working hands on with dogs, as most of his credentials appear to be "book earned". As promised in my previous post, here are a few non-pit bull attacks, most on people, though a few on animals. Irregardless of breed, dogs can injure or kill people when their owners are irresponsible. These dogs (as well as those you listed) are examples of that. Presa Canario mastiffs http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/17/dog.mauling.decision/ Pomeranian (you have to pay to get the whole story, but can read the first paragraph of it here) http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/62297069.html?did=62297069&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&date=Oct+9,+2000&desc=Baby+Girl+Killed+by+Family+Dog Great danes http://www.lightwatcher.com/animaltalk/danes_attack_boy.html An Akita http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,861375,00.html Labrador http://www.eduxbury.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=2&num=495&printer=1 Bouvier http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2003/10/29/239938.html Mixed breeds attacking other animals (which isn't the same as attacking humans, but you included it in your post) http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/03/10/41241023.shtml?Element_ID=41241023 Another animal attack, on a guide dog http://www.sptimes.com/2003/07/07/Hernando/Lab_s_attack_on_guide.shtml Bullmastiffs (pitbulls are banned in the county in which this occurred, btw, didn't help this woman) http://www.local6.com/news/1522927/detail.html Dachshund http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A64465-2002Dec16 Italy has an extensive list of banned breeds, including Border Collies, Saint Bernards, and Corgis (a small herding breed), perhaps you would feel safer there? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$4PEQWDRGEL1FLQFIQMGSFFWAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2003/09/15/wdog15.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/09/15/ixportal.html
quote: As my own pit bull is getting on in years, I suppose I should be talking to her about this, no? After all, wouldn't want her to miss her big chance. Unfortunately, she's too busy acting like what I've been fooled all these years into believing was a normal pit bull, hogging the couch, playing around, and generally bringing happiness to my and others' lives. Perhaps she too has a diminished caliber of mentality, like owner like dog?  IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 02-23-2004 08:25 AM
gamefan and lovingmom, so if a cocker spaniel had biten you, would you be trying to educate people on how dangerous they are and how people are stupid for owning them? i dont see how you can justify the extermination of an entire breed for what a dog did in the hands of an irresponsible owner. i'm begining to believe that the only reason you guys are here is to argue with us about how unstable or evil our dogs are... quote: okay im not saying this didnt happen, bc i wasn't there, but how much would you say that this dog weighted? i just can't picture a dog tearing down a street lamp....okay so yeah i guess you could say that im pretty much calling you a liar, sorry---next time dont exagerate so much and no one will ever know.... quote: so basically, you're saying that none of this ever would have happened had you done the right thing and reported this scum bag to the cops? does he have more dogs? you know if you dont report him those ddogs will probably attack people too, and of course rip down street lamps and flip over cars quote: but hold on a minute, earlier you said.... quote: so what are you saying? the overall population of the dogs owners beat and abuse dogs? thats great you're making lots of friends!! quote: i can tell, so then their jaws really do lock? lovingmom says... quote: why is that? it doesn't seem fair to me, why should it matter what breed of dog your son was attacked by? quote: no this is not true....."me and my mom have done TONS of research..." blah, blah, blah quote: you should make your own website sense you're such an authority. and if they're the same sources that told you about the locking jaws then i would think twice about believing what they tell you quote: it sure is and you already told us that it wouldn't have been a big deal if it would have been another breed of dog that had attacked your son. i believe that it's an owner specific problem, these dogs become what the owner wants, just like any other dog. it's just that thugs and ghetto trash like pits bc it does something for there ego quote: no need to get sassy sugar, his name is daddyfs, i didn't see any serious errors in their posts, you might want to check out your sons last post though....maybe he should let you proofread before he submits them quote: i dont believe anyone was ever arguing that the dog that attacked your son should not have been put down. but now you think they are all crazy because your boy was attacked, and he already wrote and told us how the dog was abused and used in fighting? so i dont get how my dog is going to turn on me. she has a very happy life, not starved at all always played with? but still a "timebomb with 4 legs" in your eyes...did you know that "back in the day" when fighting was legal if a pit so much as snapped at a handler it was culled. how much did the dog that bit your son weigh, i mean if it was ripping down street lights he must have been a pretty big dog right? when are you two gonna wake up and realize that you can't judge an entire breed based off of a dog that was abused, beaten, and made to be menatally unstable.....thats like me saying that all moms are crazy busy bodies just because you are....... [This message has been edited by benny boy (edited 02-23-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 02-23-2004 10:39 AM
Ok, am I the only one that knoticed this... When she listed her "reliable" attack sources, notice several of them are duplicates of the same article? What did you have to make you list appear longer? Thinking no one would look into them? And the one with the arm. How did they determine that was a dog attack, like the exert mentioned, "knotice the lack of puncture marks". Looks more like a nasty cut than a dog bite. Bites would have left marks, and there were none in that photo, I would not use that as a "reliable" source. As for the "Whole breed population should be exterminated" comment.... So we should exterminate the whole human population since we have humans that tend to attack??? Hmmmmmm.... And I'm sorry, but unless your "street lamp" was a stick with a light bulb on it, I highly doubt a dog could have "Torn it down"
You yourself sir, admitted that the dog trained him to be mean, that should have let you know then that it wasn't the dogs fault. He was doing what he was taught when he was was biting. And for the "trying to get to us by tearing anything down in its path"...yall had to be taunting him... I find it hard to believe that young men in a group were beeing "hunted and attacked" by a dog for absolutly no reason. Excuse me if I've offended anyone, but all it takes is a little common sence on one's part to understand a situation. Goob, excellent points, as well as daddyfs... Pitts, Heelers, Shephards, and all the other breeds allhave their bad apples. SHould this be a call for extermination of all canine species? Of course not. Perhaps those who have an agressive dog should look into themselves and their own behavior before judging the animal. Many problems will be solved that way. IP: Logged |
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chickee Member Posts: 150 |
posted 02-23-2004 11:24 AM
Exactly what I was thinking about that same picture of the kid's arm. One long nasty cut!! It doesn't even remotely look like a dog bite. Who the HELL is she trying to kid? I know! People who have no freakin' idea, thats who. (And that unfortunately, can be a large number of people.) Sad this chick has to stoop so low. I don't think she's an animal lover. Especially dogs. IP: Logged |
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bullylove1 Member Posts: 173 |
posted 02-23-2004 12:59 PM
I agree with everyone here. I aswell asked where this person lived because I had never heard of a dog attacking 3 times, (one which was settled in court) and not being put down. They never did tell me where they were from hmmm... Everyone on here seems to know that Human Aggression in ANY breed is not to be tolerated. I just don't understand why they're still arguing it, we agree with them. I also pointed out that had they acted responsibly and called the authorities on the monster who owned the dog and had his fighting ring destroyed, and possibly prosecute the idiot who was in charge of it, the attack wouldn't have happened. I just love how people so not act responsibly themselves and blame others later. Gamefan and his mommy are totally just here to fight, they have not listend to one word anyone has said. Goob has made some of the best points on here and they just keep getting worked up. Everyone here has offered sympathy to the boy who was attacked. They don't seem to understand that everyone on here is responsible Pit owners or pit lovers, so of course we are not going to side with them and give up our dogs! If they are that upset, there are many others who hate Pit Bulls, maybe they should go look for them and get off this forum. Leslie ------------------ IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 02-23-2004 01:24 PM
yeppers my thoughts exactly. bullylove1 i think they live up around chicago somewhere... http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/110103_ns_dogattack.html i dont see why the dog wasn't destroyed earlier. but i mean the kid said he knew what the guy was doing with this dog, and i doubt thats the only dog this guys got. but lesson learned maybe next time he won't allow people to abuse and torture animals...i alomost feel worse for the dog than the kid, i mean this dog was probably abused and starved for the larger portion of its life. there's gotta be away to get pits out of these peoples hands. i mean that is really the only way to solve this problem. im surprised about the animal cruelty laws we have here in texas, it seems like all the other laws are too strict but then you get off easy when you beat and starve gods creatures? IP: Logged |
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bullylove1 Member Posts: 173 |
posted 02-23-2004 02:41 PM
good call bennyboy, that sounds exactly like what gamefan said, minus the part about the dog eating a lamppost,, hehe, that part always sounded weird to me. I know that Chicago was just trying to ban Pits there, but it didn't get passed. thank gosh! They were being stricter than most places, giving owners 30 days to relocte their dog! How ridiculous. At least in some places that have the bans (like Australia) you can not breed Pits, if you want to buy them you have to go out of state to purchase them. And you were allowed to keep the ones you already owned. That sounds like a good law if you ask me. Too many Pits being bred by BYB and dying because there are no homes for them. Well, I was a little skeptical about Gamefan at first, with the light pole and all, but wow! that really would be scary. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 02-23-2004 03:23 PM
i just hope one day they meet a real apbt so they will see how these dogs are supposed to be IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 02-23-2004 03:36 PM
Did any of you even check out the link to her sons attack? Its not near what he described, must have added some drama and exaggeration to it. IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 02-23-2004 03:42 PM
yeah i checked it out, i checked out all the links, i was pretty bored at work today, she posted like three different links to the same site....oh i found some links this takes care of the "they bite more than any breed ever" comment http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/8174/myths.html this is a great site pretty much tells you anything that you want to know about the apbt http://www.realpitbull.com/ heres another one http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/ i love this site, it has lots of info and good pictures http://furryfriendsfoundation.com/Truth03/Truth03.htm i can get more if you think i need to but these sites have tons of info about how a non-abused, non-starved, mentally stable pit should be [This message has been edited by benny boy (edited 02-23-2004).] IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 02-23-2004 03:53 PM
Yeah...lol tore down the lamp post, maybe he ate a few cars too. IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 02-23-2004 04:10 PM
oh and heres another one about a apbt that sniffs out drugs for customs agents.... http://furryfriendsfoundation.com/Truth03/Popsicle.htm IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 02-23-2004 09:18 PM
Yeah I've heard about that wonderful dog Popsicle. An awesome dog, beaten and abused by drug dealers and now used against them. Why is this person going to come on a Pit Bull Forum and ask how people feel about the breed? They are probably going to have good things to say about it, don't you think? I don't think they even know how they feel, they say thing then another. Claiming to have done research, try doing research that actually means something. Bite stats are incorrect, lots of times the dog that has bit was not a Pit Bull. My fried mistook an American Bulldog for an APBT. She thought he was a big beautiful Pit Bull and she owns two Pits herself. If that dog was aggressive or if it bit her or anyone else not imformed of the true breed the bite would have went down as Pit Bull, because thats what the person being attacked thought it was. My Boxer is always mistaken as a Pit Bull, so if she bit the same thing would happen. Maybe you did some bite stat research which is meaningless, but you should try researching the breed before you start talking trash and making crap up.
quote: Being alert and attacking ramdomly are two different things. Lots of dogs are alert and some breeds are prone to it. Like German Shepherd Dogs and any other shepherd or sheepdog. Its an instinc bred in them, they have to be alert to look out for the sheep. Dogs that attack at random if you want to call it that are not to one breed. And in most cases dogs don't attack randomly. They have showed aggressive tendencies, or other warning signs and are not stable dogs. I read the article and it said this boy-gamefan1221 was like the 3rd victim of this dog. So that right there tells you what type of owner this was and that the dog had shown aggression before. The dog needed to be PUT TO SLEEP BEFORE it ever bit the FIRST person.
quote: Keep talking....for all the research you have done you've done no breed research and also go back and forth on what you say. You said there are nice once, nice house dogs, but then later on you say that they are all terrible and that you don't know why people think they are good dogs. Ok so which is it?
quote: I think they are a good breed, or atleast the breed for me because they are everything I could ever ask for. Intellegent, atheletic, beautiful, forgiving, friendly, loving, loyal, although sometimes too needy or getting a little seperation anxiety, but that can be dealt with. I think its just the fact I was around the dogs for long and never informed that they were supposed to be vicious. I was actually never taught to fear dogs, but its funny being a kid and not knowing why two words PIT BULL can freak people out when they seemed like just any other dog to me. And one that really seemed to like me like no other breed and tolerate me to no end.
quote: You can't train a dog to be a great dog. Try educating yourself before writing "articles". The fighting that doesn't even have to do with their aggression. A people aggressive dog ISN'T fought its culled because it would be a danger to fight. Pit Bulls can also be naturally animal or dog aggressive regardless of any fighting so that doesn't flow either. The majority of game dogs are not even dog aggressive either, they are too confident for that. If the dog is going to be people aggressive their is no training that out of them. The same way you can't train dog aggression out only suppress and control it. A dog that is doomed to be people aggressive by improper breeding or a problem with their nervous system will be regardless of some pros training. The dog needs to be put to sleep. Not professionally trained. That is just so stupid. I don't need someone who doesn't even understand the dog to instruct me in some training. I think everyone feels bad about your experience, but you can't come a breed specific forum of people who know the breed and love their dogs and expect them to concur with your BS. The story to me seems a little shady too. It bit its owner but its a fighting dog? It kept biting your foot repeatedly but none of those men could pull the dog off when going for a knew hold? And it took that many people punching and kicking the dog to get him to stop, but the dog didn't turn on them? Seems like a mad dog like that would dig the chance to attack the rescuers as has happened before. Its bad what you went through, but still no need for you to act like its the dogs fault. Using a breaking stick the dog would have been off you in a second. Where was the owner when all this was going on? Could he not run out to save you from HIS own dog. Irresponsible idiot. The dog didn't need to be kicked and punched and allowed to tear up your foot just get a break stick. I think maybe you should read some books or talk to some breeders or something, learn something first before you speak. There is no way if the overall were vicious they would get such high scorings on temperament testing and above breds like Labs. Who are a bit testing, but that is because of overbreeding. Labs are way too popular and overbred, same with GSDs, bad temperaments from bad breeding and stupid owners. Maybe I should go on breed forums of everydog that has ever bit me and make up some stuff and lies about the breed and ask why they think they are good dogs because most are terrible!!....LOL IP: Logged |
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MyPetTherapyDog Member Posts: 157 |
posted 02-23-2004 10:27 PM
Dear loving Mom: I can surly see why you feel the way you do towards pitbulls. Lets face it your son was severely attacked by one. I also can understand your feeling of helplessness as a mother. I have a story to tell that I usually don't talk about. In this case, I think it is time I do. Two years ago actually two days after Christmas, I was getting ready to go work. I work at a local hospital near my home. While I was in the shower, I heard my middle daughter at that time age 17 yelling with fear to my son age 14 at the time. "Oh my God, put pressure on it and get mom out of the shower. I will call Dad." I grabbed a towel and ran outside the bathroom to see what was the matter. To my shock, my son had been severely bitten in the face by my one of my own dogs!!! We had only adopted Cairo one month prior to this incident. He is an American Staffordshire Terrier. So, my first thoughts were that Cairo had bitten my son. I grabbed paper towel and put tight pressure to try to stop the bleeding. I also immediately beeped a general surgeon who happened to work at the same hospital with me. Lucky for us he is also a personal friend of our family. I have an EMT license and also work in Intensive Care Unit as a medical Secretary so I am trained to react calmly to emergency situations. But to see my son like this was unbearable. Within minutes the surgeon called me back and I told him what had happened to my son. He told me to rush him to the emergency room and he would page a plastic surgeon that was on call to meet us in the emergency room. We called my husband and told him to meet us at the hospital. On the way, I asked my son what happened and how did he get bit? To my surprise, it was not any one of my pitbulls. The dog that had bitten my son was my shephard/lab mix that was 9 years old at the time. We had owned him for a little over 8 years when this incident happened. He was always such a loving kind dog. He also was my son's best friend growing up. He slept in my son's bed and followed my son around the house wherever he went. I had to deal with the dog situation at a later date. Now, my priorities were on my son's care. The plastic surgeon did a wonderful job. My son required 28 stitches in the face and ear area. My son is an avid sports player. He plays ice hockey. His team was playing a game the night of the dog bite incident. He did not let this dog bite incident get in his way of doing what he loved to do. He played the game that night and actually scored two goals. I was a nervous wreck but he promised to be careful and wore the basket over his helmet. Once we got home fromthe hospital, I immediately called my vet in a panic and told her what had happened. She offered to quarantine my dog in her office knowing that we did not want him around the house. My husband and I decided that after the 10 day quarantine was up, we would have him euthanized. I was curious though and wanted to know what would trigger him to do such a terrible act to a boy he grew up with and was best friends with. I asked my vet and she told me it could have been a number of reasons. The first being a neurological disorder, or arthritis, or fear/panic. So, I asked her to do testing on my dog. This came back normal. She did x-rays to r/o any arthritis. She did tons and tons of lab work to r/o bunches of diseases I could not even pronounce never mind spell. All came back negative??? As the ten days grew near, my son was acting more and more nervous about having his dog put to sleep. I told him it was the best thing but I think he had some fear that maybe other family members would blame him for the attack and the ultimate loss of the dog??? My son approached me on the 8th day of the dogs quarantine and asked me to please consider not putting him to sleep? I gather my son was doing some on line research himself. I had never mentioned a behaviorist before. The next day I called my vet and asked her what she thought. She now had time to evaluate my dog he was there for the past nine days. She said that she saw no obvious reasons the dog had reacted in this manner. Every person at the vets office taking care of him thought he was a great dog and loved him. He never gave any of them reason to believe different. My vet suggested that if we decided not to put him to sleep then we should seek immediate attention by a certified dog behaviorist. So, our family had a meeting. We let my son make the decision. Actually, it was 3 to 2. My husband and I wanted to euthanize the dog and the kids wanted to at least try with a behaviorist to see if we could work on his behavior issues. We hired a behaviorist at the cheap price of $60.00 per hour. The funny twist to the story is this: At the time she was doing my evaluation, her cell phone rang, it happened to be News Channel 12 wanted to know a convenient time to interview her. She asked me permission to have them come into my home to tape her with my dog her new client. Of course I said "Yes tell them to come on over." You can imagine their faces when they entered my house with three beautiful pitbulls at the door to greet them!! LOL They were cool about it though. I must say, one camera man did ask me which pitbull bit my son??? LOL I told them it was the Shephard/Lab mix!!! She did a temperament test on the dog. He passed with flying colors??? News Channel 12 was impressed!!! She also evaluated my son. Well, come to find out, on the day of the attack, my son had wanted to get by the hallway, my house is a ranch so you can picture the layout of the house somewhat. Anyway, the dog was sprawled out sound asleep. My son climbed over the dog low to the ground (while the dog was dreaming) making noises and moving his legs) this is my son's testimony) and at that point, the dog was startled and jumped and bit!!! Then he realized what he had done and ran with his tail between his legs and hid and shook!! So, basically the dog had bitten my son while in a dream state!! The dog was not vicious just shocked and not fully awake. He stunned the dog. Our whole family worked together to keep our dog and our family safe. One of the ways was easy, don't startle him. She also recommended that we put him on valerian root and skull cap to help calm him down. He was a very nervous dog. I guess I never read the signs. He was always pacing up and down. I just thought that was what he did. I kept the behaviorist on for 7 months. She came sometimes twice per week. She helped us adjust as well as helping our dog overcome his anxieties. My son has even recently let our dog back in his room to sleep with him. I will tell you this has taught me an awful lot about dog behavior. I now look at what they are saying to me thru body language. I also have learned to take dog bites on a one to one basis. Usually when an attack happens, it is the owners fault 99.9percent of the time. I wish I could blame my own son's dog attack on someone. If anyone, it was probably me. I knew the dog was nervous and always pacing but I never picked up on anything until it was too late. I know that this particular incident probably could have never been predicted it was a freak incident. When people come over to my home, I don't socialize him, I just put him in a bedroom were he is out of harms way. When I take him out walking, I pick a wooded path that I know I will not come upon any children. Its not easy but its what we choose to live with. Our dog was never abused or mistreated. He came from a loving family. I guess the moral of this story is this: You also can't point fingers at pitbulls and give stats that are not 100 percent accurate. I work at a hospital and the number one breed of dog bites last year at our facility were yellow labs and cocker spaniels. I must say even I thought that my pitbull was the cause of my sons' bite. How wrong was I. I also gave Channel 12 a challenge seeing how well behaved my pitbulls are!!! In my state alone last year here are the stats on shelter pit bulls 3,,862 were euthanized. Out of that number only 9 percent were considered vicious. 78 percent were put to sleep due to no one wanted to adopt them due to NEGATIVE PUBLICITY!!! Negative publicity is to blame for their fate. What was their crime? In the incident your are speaking about I gather that the dog was trained to be vicious. That is a whole different story. I must tell you this, when friends come over to my house to see my family and they have kids, the only dogs I feel safe leaving them with is my pits. My yellow lab has bitten me when I first got him (food aggression) and my other dog well you know that story! its a laughing joke at my house! Put the lab and the shephard/lab mix away and lets the kids play with the pitbulls because we know that they will treat the kids with respect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say judge dog bite incidents on a one to one basis and check the background of the dog. That plays a large part. Also, stats are not 100 percent correct. Check out this link:http://www.fataldogattacks.com/ Hopefully, someday your son and you can go on. It takes time and patience. I never thought I would see the day that my son would allow my dog to sleep in his room again. You as a parent need to be open minded. Again, time and patience. Susan IP: Logged |
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kyles101 Member Posts: 227 |
posted 02-23-2004 11:12 PM
youre absolutely right. an animal is an animal. a dog is a dog. there is no 'pitbull then 'everyone else'. lovingmom, my parents use to have your views on dangerous breeds. when i told them i wanted an akita they went beserk. 'you are not getting that dog! havent you heard they are viscious?' they told me that if i got an akita i would never be allowed in their house, theyd never talk to me and theyd never lend me money again. my dad especially was being a big nazi over it. he thought the dog would try to kill me the day i brought her home. well, now i cant get my dad to leave my dog alone. he gives her treats every 2 seconds and sits there for ages patting her and asks 'wheres kuma' before he even says hi to me! when kuma was a pup my mum would always pick her up and hold her like a baby and tell her how cute she is. although she doesnt do it now because she thinks she is a big boof and not huggable. my brother, who was a bit nervous about her because of what dad use to say about akitas, loves her to bits and wants to babysit her all the time. i certainly proved them wrong and they have changed their attitude towards certain breeds. as my dad always says to my dog 'oh youre as soft as arseholes, your parents made you like that' IP: Logged |
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facedog Member Posts: 21 |
posted 02-24-2004 02:15 AM
Im really sorry you got bit because some idiot thinks its cool to make a dog mean I have had pits for 15 years and never any problems myself but for some reason people think mean dogs are cool my grandfather hated my dog when he found out what she was he has raised walkers for coyote hunting for almost 50 years when my dog entered his yard every dog in his pen went nuts and mine stood right b/t my legs scared to death he was even more amazed when my grand mother came outside and sat in her lawn chair that she was greeted by my dog setting at her feet and offering her paw to shake hands my baby cousins also scared until they realized she would play ball I love all my dogs and they have free roam inside but outside I am very stearn and never give any slack I am very sorry you got bit and I hope that dog is nomore I love my dogs but there are no second chances on unnessasary aggression people should always report aggressive dogs I dont care if they are in a pen they can always get out and then its to late hope I could help IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 02-24-2004 09:44 AM
"soft as arseholes"? thats a little wierd man?!?! IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 02-24-2004 12:49 PM
This came off of another website. It's proven fact. Unfortunately in today's society many people are ignorant about the American Pit Bull Terrier. Because of this ignorance, proliferation by the media of false data, and the false reports of individuals, this dog has went from a highly respected and desired pet to one that is unfairly judged, and in many cases around the country and even the world, are seized due to prohibition of ownership laws. Additionally laws have been developed and rules established by "so called" humane organizations which seek to practice euthanasia on these animals without even the opportunity of adoption or being sent to rescue associations. This stigma has hurt the Pit Bull more than any other breed of dog and caused unrealistic fear within much of the general community. It is of the utmost importance for us as lovers of these beautiful and majestic animals to not promote this unfair negative stigma and counteract such negativisms with truth both by example and word. To help promote the truth it is important for us to recognize the studies that have taken place which prove the true nature of the Pit Bull. Farmers Branch, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, has kept accurate records since 1980. During a 7 year period from 1980 through 1987, this is what was recorded. Total bites: 1,593. Pit bulls, 30 bites, or 1.89% of the total. Other studies tend to show the same results and because of so many mongrels that have similar features and the unfair lumping in with the American Pit Bull Terrier, it seems reasonable to assume that the figures are actually much lower. The American Temperament Test Society continually ranks Pits better in temperamnet than many other breeds such as the Airedale Terrier, Basenji, Beagle, Bichon Frise, Border Collie, Chihuahua, Collie, Dachshund(4 of 6 varieties), English Setter, Lhasa Opso, Pomeranian, Shar-Pei, Shiba Inu, Shih Tzu, Schnauzer, and Toy Poodle all score below average and many more far below than that of the Pit Bull. Even though their temperament score is less than average many would not even think twice in their ownership as a family pet. In a report from Dekalb County Georgia, the conclusion was reached that statistics could no be used to document the dangerousness of any one breed, or the comparison of one breed to another. The 5-year study of fatal attacks from 1975-1980 lists the German Shepherds first and "mixed breeds" second with the American Pit Bull Terrier listed 6th. A 6-year study in Palm Beach County of "most severe dog bite by breed" shows the top 10 breeds who have been identified in this comparison. IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 02-24-2004 12:50 PM
This came off of the same site. There could be nothing further from the truth. In fact the Pit Bull constantly ranks higher than many other breeds of dog in temperament tests given by The American Temperament Test Society, while other much adored breeds that the media choose to ignore such as the Airedale Terrier, Basenji, Beagle, Bichon Frise, Border Collie, Chihuahua, Collie, Dachshund(4 of 6 varieties), English Setter, Lhasa Opso, Pomeranian, Shar-Pei, Shiba Inu, Shih Tzu, Schnauzer, and Toy Poodle all score below average and many more far below than that of the Pit Bull. Even though their temperament score is less than average many would not even think twice in their ownership as a family pet. IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 02-24-2004 01:06 PM
thanks meka i was trying to find stuff about the temperment testing but i couldn't...........good job IP: Logged |
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MyPetTherapyDog Member Posts: 157 |
posted 02-24-2004 01:39 PM
Check this site out!!! I am going to register when the test comes around my area!!! http://www.atts.org/ IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 02-24-2004 02:00 PM
yeah that sounds cool, i wanna do it too. what does the test consist of? IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 02-24-2004 02:50 PM
Thanks Benny. I remembered seeing it, just thought I'd post it, to show the truth. I don't blame the lady for being upset, but God! To trash all Pits, is just rediculous. & that story was sooooo over exaggerated. I'd like to see any breed of dog rip down a lamp post. Aren't they concreted in the ground???? I was telling True_Pits earlier about some dogs we saw in our local shelter. We went down to walk a couple of dogs & in the very back waiting to be PTS, were 6 Pits, A massive 200 lb. Rott. & a Chi. The Chi had attacked the family's 2 week old baby & had ripped it's face up, damaged it's nasal cavities, etc... The child had to have reconstructive surgery, & the family had NO idea why the Chi attacked the baby. The Pits & the Rott were confiscated during a drug bust, & were quoted by the staff at the shelter, to have been some of the sweetest dogs they'd ever seen. Yet they were all waiting to be PTS because that shelter inparticular will NOT adopt out Pits, Rotts, AmStaffs, Bull Terriers, ABs, Akitas, or Chows. Sad isn't it? I have 5 Pits & have yet to see a vicious one, or one that has "turned" for no reason. My neighbors have a bunch of mean a** little ankle bitters. Chi/JRT/Pom mixes. Some of the meanest lil sh**s I've ever seen! lol They'll bite anyone in site. But we all know, not all dogs of certain breeds are mean or vicious. It's just how they are raised. Some have mental probs. that cause them to act that way too, but a majority of it is because of the ignorant owners that beat their dogs, or train them to be attack/guard/protection dogs. You know? It just saddens me that ignorant people like this woman & her son want to have our breed banned, over one incident, that, like I said, is higly exaggerated. IP: Logged |
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MyPetTherapyDog Member Posts: 157 |
posted 02-24-2004 06:55 PM
Come on think about it? Of course the media is going to play up the story! what do you think gives them high ratings? Bowling stats??? The problem is does the media know what a True Pit bull really looks like??? Money down says NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IP: Logged |
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kyles101 Member Posts: 227 |
posted 02-25-2004 02:26 AM
haha yeah soft as arseholes.. it is weird! dont worry, my dad comes from england. IP: Logged |
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charmedagain Member Posts: 790 |
posted 02-25-2004 05:13 AM
There is no such thing as an agressive animal just an irresponsible owner its the way the animal is brought up whcih determines which way he/she will act or behave. I do feel for you after what happened but please dont blame the dog. My uncle and cousin has pitbulls and they are the sweetest most loving dog i have come across well apart from mine. Its like a child teach a child to steal or be abusive or aggressive to people and that child will do it as they think this is right. just my opinion. mike IP: Logged |
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chickee Member Posts: 150 |
posted 02-25-2004 10:07 AM
There is no such thing as an agressive animal just an irresponsible owner its the way the animal is brought up whcih determines which way he/she will act or behave. Though I understand what you're trying to say, I should mention that there IS such a thing as an aggressive animal, and sometimes it has nothing whatsoever to do with how the owners brought up the dog. Some animals, like humans, are born with 'mental issues' that no one can predict or have control over. But when it does come to animals, they are simply PTS so they won't harm others. An onwer needs to take notice and be responsible whatever the reason is for the aggression. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 02-25-2004 02:35 PM
Good post Chickee!! I agree 100% IP: Logged |
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