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bullylove1
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posted 02-13-2004 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bullylove1     Edit/Delete Message
I am soo mad i could scream right now! I was just searching the yahoo groups trying to find the group I started, (still working out bugs) and I came across a group for dog fighting!!! It was for people who are all for it! How can yahoo stand for that, especially something that is illegal!!! I want to find these people and strangle them. I joined the group to see what kind of things they talked about, and they didn't say much, mostly code, and kept saying go the messenger to each other, so they obviously go onto instant messanger so none of their hateful and creul things can be recorded and kept. They were talking about different dogs, and which ones were the best to fight, ect.
GRRRRRRRR!
Does anybody know how I could contact Yahoo to put in a formal complaint and get that group taken off?
Leslie

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bullylove1
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posted 02-13-2004 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bullylove1     Edit/Delete Message
As you may know there is a BSL fight going on in Chicago. The vote was supposed to be feb. 11 but was postponed. I have signed the petition against this ban. These morons on that stupid fighting list are also trying to fight it saying it will make things more "complicated" if they are banned.

Who makes these people what they are!!
Sorry, just had to vent
Leslie

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the_maine_pitbull
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From:Allagash, Maine USA
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posted 02-13-2004 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the_maine_pitbull     Edit/Delete Message
Leslie.. DO NOT post the address to that group on here. We have no idea as to know everyone on this forum is so to be safe. I am going to look into it all. Did they mention whether it is Yahoo, MSS, ICQ, AIM or whatever else for a messenger service. That can all be traced back to them.. Email me offlist, I got an idea.. We can figure something out.
Angie

hafkel@hotmail.com

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Samsintentions
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posted 02-13-2004 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
KNow what...I'm with ya. Please email me with the info.
Mare-majic@excite.com


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Samsintentions
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posted 02-13-2004 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
This is what dog fighting leads to. How can some one or anyone allow such a horrible thing happen!!!!!!!
http://www.pet-abuse.com/database/case_photos.php?case_id=1920

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True_Pits
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posted 02-13-2004 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
I can say with all honesty I have never seen a dog matched or rolled or whatever look like that in my entire life. Some people don't need to own animals period. I just seen a starving dog today, that is abuse and neglect IMO.

All those people on that stupid yahoo group deserve to do hard time. IDIOTS!! No Common Sense whatsoever.

[This message has been edited by True_Pits (edited 02-13-2004).]

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benny boy
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posted 02-13-2004 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
good lord dont look at that link that samsintetions posted unless you got a strong stomach....its pretty graphic

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Samsintentions
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posted 02-13-2004 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
it is graphic, grousome, and horribly painful to see. I'm sorry if it offends anyone, But ya know what, If people don't see photos like that, then how do they educate themselves on the affects of fighting? How do they see what it really does? Photos speak a thousand words. Imagine the words going through that dogs mind at the time. Imagine the pain. And fighters wonder why it should be banned....Disgusting idiots! I aught to throw them in a ring and torture them like they did to all those dogs!

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bullylove1
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posted 02-13-2004 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bullylove1     Edit/Delete Message
As you may have read in the email I sent you , I cried and cried when I saw that picture. That was a gorgeous dog, loving, and all you can see is pain in his eyes. I also looked through that site at some other photots, Just heartbreaking. I will be making contributions to that organization. I was putting my money into rescues, which are equally important, but right now, my mind sits at the fact that there are more little girls and boys living a life like that, only to never be rescued or put out of their misery in a humane way. Oh, here we go with the tears again.
Leslie

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Rio_and_me
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posted 02-13-2004 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rio_and_me     Edit/Delete Message
Those pics are the worst ive seen (i dont look for them yuk), that poor dog looks so loving, He should be put out of his misery bless his little soul.
those pitifull humans wont get the sentance they deserve it makes me sick.
what person finds that so called "entertainment" fun and exciting?
Ky

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tuttifrutti
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posted 02-13-2004 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuttifrutti     Edit/Delete Message
If someone hadn't told me that was a dog, I am not sure I would've seen it. I can't believe people do things like that! That is just awful! Watching dogs tear each other to bits? I don't see how that could be entertaining! I can barely stand how my dog and his sister play, and they never draw blood, just play!

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MyPetTherapyDog
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posted 02-13-2004 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyPetTherapyDog     Edit/Delete Message
I am not going to the web site. I will not be able to stomach such horrible pictures.
I will take everyone's word how terrible they are.
In my state, many people have started a group~~ The Coalition against animal fighting. The group is fairly new.
Many Aco's as well as SPCA president, and the Humaine society are on the board.
We get positive information about animal cruelty, discuss what changes in our state can be done to stop such misery, discuss funding for low cost spaying and neutering of pit bulls, how we can tackle issues to address dog and cock fighting etc...
I am on the committee also.
If I get any positive feedback from our next meeting coming up next week, I shall share the information.

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True_Pits
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posted 02-13-2004 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
The picture was bad and the worse I have ever seen as well. I have seen many photos on different websites but none like that. The pic is there to show what dog fighting leads to? Regardless of how bad I thought the dog looked and how much I feel sorry for it, it still doesn't change my stand point on on game dogs.

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what person finds that so called "entertainment" fun and exciting?

I can't say that I really know, what kind of person would find how that dog was tore apart entertaining. But matching and testing dogs isn't meant as entertaining, it is meant to prove which is (if not both) is game. It is not supposed to be a form of entertainment or money making. These people just use the animals for their own benefit and self glorification. They all need to be lined up and shot to rid the world of this sickness. Of course I think some, SOME of them can be changed for the better. There have been so many young teens that do this just for status or to be cool, if they had some other way to show their dog off they would easily take the opportunity. It is important to educate and try to reach those who are still impressionable and able to be reached.

I did find this really stupid dog fighting group on yahoo, these people are so GRRRR, all they care about is sticking 2 dogs, any dogs together just so they can fight!! They are so dumb this one person on there was asking how good Akitas are and some other person replied and said they are ok or something but Alaskan Malamutes are the best fighting dogs. What a complete idiot. Then when someone asked about Tosa and Pit Bulls being the best they said that AM were the best and theirs had beaten Tosas and Pit Bulls...lol Yeah right. I'd be surprised if half these people even own a dog period and if they do if they actually anything more than house pets. I think they are mostly sad people living a false life through their pcs where they can say and be anything.

I think if you get in touch with who ever runs these groups, like I guess yahoo, the group should be shut down. There have been several of these floating around and have all been shut down once brought to attention.

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ticktop
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posted 02-17-2004 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ticktop     Edit/Delete Message
All dog fighters are ignorant idiots scum of the earth. I would love to find a dog fight and report it to the authorities. What needs to be done is to have stricter jail sentences and penalties. Manatory sentences, no if or but, straight to jail for at least 5 years.

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shanean
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posted 02-17-2004 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shanean     Edit/Delete Message
I just looked on the site with the fight abuse dog.If I had to talk to someone in person right now I couldn't,I'm speachless.That is the most disturbing thing I've ever seen done to a living thing.My heart hurts for him.I want to go home grab my babies and hold them.I think even to torture these people wouldn't be enough.They are just sick.The things I want to say would only be edited out.

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ticktop
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posted 02-17-2004 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ticktop     Edit/Delete Message
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.

Sleep well, all pit dogs which have suffered and died on some dirty pit floor somewhere, wracked with exhaustion and pain, shocky and suffering from severe tissue trauma. Or perhaps died days later from infection. Dead, because a human preferred to let a dog do their fighting for them. Dead, because a human sought to raise their status through association with you. Rest well in death, and be assured that none such as they will come to where you rest...

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3Dogsihave
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posted 02-17-2004 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3Dogsihave     Edit/Delete Message
Well said everyone. This is one of the saddest(sp?) post I have read, but people need to be educatated on these matters and thanks to all who posted. They poem was beautiful. Brought tears to my eyes.

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Samsintentions
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posted 02-18-2004 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
I'm on the message board to recieve new notifications on animal abuse. Yall can join up too and try our hardest to stop this horrible stuff...its at animalabuse.com

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MyPetTherapyDog
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posted 02-18-2004 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyPetTherapyDog     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you.
I went to the site. Very informative.
I also forwarded the link to many of my volunteer rescue friends.
Appreciate your help!!!
Susan

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Merav
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posted 02-25-2004 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Merav     Edit/Delete Message
Bullylove1,

That sounds like a violation of TOS on yahoo.

Yahoo doesn't knowingly tollerate anything abusive or illigal. If you report it to yahoo, they will close the group down. Of course the group will re-open under another name and need to be closed down again and again.

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facedog
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posted 02-25-2004 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for facedog     Edit/Delete Message
well for the first time I actually want my dog to bite someone I swear before god if I met the person that let that happen to that dog it would be a long day for them that is sadistic and I really hope they pay at some point and as far as catching these people chating about fighting as long as the person got that address sitting in front of your PC there is nothing they can do to you so all you have to do is invite the right person to your home and if their is one way to catch a fighter is persistense of playing their game if you work on ones ego long enough they will give in to your supposed challenge so all you would have to do is kind of give the proper authorities in the right direction and they legally have to act upon it they have child porn stings that work very effectivly why not dog fights I would do anything I could to help

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facedog
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posted 02-25-2004 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for facedog     Edit/Delete Message
I was a union rep for a while and when I took my training they said something I will never forget if you feel that it is wrong and your not getting the answer you want dont stop until you get to the president of the united states with this being said all true pit lovers are exceptional people with great pride b/c not a day goes buy that you dont have to defend them that is why I started searching the web I had a lawyer tell me that they were classified as a viscious breed and that some insurances could drop your homeowners ins he said the only thing that might save me is she is not registered and my vet actually classified her as a mix breed for me so I would have a leg to stand on if anyone said anything about her

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benny boy
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posted 02-25-2004 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
i know what you mean facedog my vet did the same thing, and my apartments wont let you lease if you have a pit. when i moved in i didnt have her yet but then a friend gave her to me so i kept her. then the apartment people saw me taking her out one day and asked me if she was a pit....i laughed and said no thats what everyone asks me shes actually a lab/boxer mix...lol. and they bought it...man some poeple are so dumb. but yeah what happened to that dog is beyond sick. thats the worst picture ive ever seen! the way people do things today is so different than the way it used to be when it was an actual legal sport. now the lowlifes just throw the dogs in a pit and let them go till one is dead. back in the day and im sure that this is still done but you had to see if your dog would "scratch" or pass the scratch line to see if it wanted to keep going. i think its a primitive, pointless waste of this dogs true talent. but i can understand gametesting im not for that either but gametesting a dog isn't about money at all. it's just to see if the dog is game therefore making it breed worthy. i dont see whats so great about having a game dog anyways? i mean unless you're going to fight them, well i guess they would be good for hog hunting. but that doesn't really make sense to me either how dogfighting is illegal but hoghunting with your dog is legal? i mean if you think about it's pretty much the same thing as piting your dog against a hog...right? sorry i started rambling and dont think that i support fighting at all, i was just curious about it so i did some reading.

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Unseen
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posted 02-26-2004 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unseen     Edit/Delete Message
OMG !
Why? I just dont understand. Who in the hell are these people? I heard of dog fights but I guess I was trying to downplay the facts.
I dont know what I thought they were, but I know I will not be the same to people that talk about dog fights anymore. My heart hurts. After seeing the pictures I went and kissed my dog and called the guy we got him from.
He said the next fight was Saturday and we could all get some beer and go if I wanted. I dont think I can sleep unless I stop this in some way. I dont have the address he said that he knows the way there but not the addy.
I wonder if I am strong enough inside to go on Sat and call 911 from there? After looking at Devo I dont think I am weak enough not to.
So does anyone know how I should go about this? If I call from there won't I be arrested as well? For just being there? And are people so serious about fighting dogs that I may be in danger for turning them in?
To be honest I dont really care, I am moving soon anyway and that picture of that poor dog is burned in my heart now, I have to do something.......But how far should I go?

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ticktop
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posted 02-28-2004 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ticktop     Edit/Delete Message
Call your humane society if you know of a fight that will take place. Do it as soon as you can. They may be able take it to a higher authority. The only way to stop these fights is people giving tips to the authorities.

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lanena322
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posted 02-28-2004 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lanena322     Edit/Delete Message
wow, those pictures really are horrible. My aunt works as a HA officer and I have seen somereally horrible pups through her. Dogs that should be in the park running and playing have had to be put down because they were used as bait dogs.
This rottie mix, an adorable little girl had to be put down the other day, she was absolutetly torn apart, there wasnt one part of her that wasnt bitten. This really angers me, and after so much time of seeing these things, each one still brings tears.

People like this should be put in jail. Pits are not the criminals, its the people who breed and raise these dogs to be this way. I have owned a female and male pit bull and they were the sweetest dogs on the face of this earth. It just goes to shows how ignorant and irresponsible these people really are.

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bullylove1
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posted 03-01-2004 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bullylove1     Edit/Delete Message
Unseen,
I know this message is late, and damn it my internet has been down since Wed. but what did you end up doing?? Next time, I would call the Police, not the Humane Society. The Police are trained to handle this stuff, and like 99% of the time they raid dog fights, they find guns, drugs and other illegal activity. Please contact the Police and let them know about your "friend" they may be able to put an officer on him to follow, or start an investigation. This is the same guy you got your pup from? Well, I suggest that as soon as the little guy is feeling better you start socializing wiht other dogs right away. my dog is Very dog aggressive and can not even see another dog without wanting at it. She has never been a fight dog but was abused before we adopted her and was NEVER socilized with other dogs. We have talked to numerous trainers and vets and were advised that some dogs just can't get over their aggression. We have learned to work around her aggression, but I wish that things could be different. A bitches temperment is "handed down" so to speak through her pups, thats why socializing as soon as you can is a neccessity. Puppy "dates" daycare, I have read on too many places the Pits should not be offleash at dog parks. Not because they are "evil" but because even if they get into a fight with another offleash dog and yours didn't initiate it, but was protecting itself, yours will be the one in trouble, not the other.
Good luck, and keep us posted
Leslie

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