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eastsydesfynest Member  Posts: 17 |
posted 02-09-2004 08:22 AM
 
Why do some kennels inbreed their pits, what does this doe , Is it healthy? IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 02-09-2004 09:54 AM
Who in their right mind would inbreed!?!?!?!? Thats a hanous and inhumane thing to do! No responsible breeder of any animal should ever do this. It causes deformities, health problems, exc.... IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 02-09-2004 10:32 AM
oops [This message has been edited by benny boy (edited 02-09-2004).] IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 02-09-2004 02:26 PM
Inbreeding will double up (or more, depending on how often its done and what how the dogs pass down their traits) on characteristics in a line of dogs. For example, if you breed father to daughter, you will double up on many of the fathers traits. Inbreeding is generally used either to lock in a desireable trait (good bite, etc), or to bring an undesireable trait to the surface so that affected dogs can be removed from the breeding program. There are many risks with inbreeding, and it should only be attempted by knowledgeable breeders who have a deep understanding of their line, their individual dogs, and dog genetics in general. If a dog is a carrier for a disease or defect, and it is bred with a close relative, there is a high chance of the pups having the defect or disease. Same goes for other faults (conformation, temperament), there is a high likelyhood of faults being intensified through inbreeding. On the good side, if you have an overall great dog with some outstanding traits and few faults, and cross them to a close relative, it may help to set type of the line and keep those outstanding traits (plus overall good traits) locked into the line for future dogs. Even a well planned breeding like the above can be a disaster though, and breeders must be aware that they may end up having to cull even an entire litter if things go wrong. Inbreeding has both benefits and disadvantages, but a breeder is more likely to see the bad end of things if they attempt it without understanding all that is involved. IP: Logged |
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chickee Member Posts: 150 |
posted 02-09-2004 04:12 PM
I don't have time to go into it now, but one of the reasons is, it keeps the characteristics of their line tight. If you really loved what the dam has to offer, the perfect specimen in your eyes of what you are looking for, you would breed her 'best' son back to her. It doubles up on HER genes. Visa-vera for father and daughter. If you really love what 2 of your best dogs produced, you may want to breed brother and sister. It is safely done when you know what your doing. You do not want to inbreed if there are major faults present in either one, as the bad doubles up as well as the good. Some bad that you may never know existed in your line may come out from an inbreeding. Inbreeding in itself is NOT what makes it a bad thing to do. It is inbreeding bad specimens to begin with. You also don't want to inbreed too young either. Ya want to wait after 2 years when anything that is going to surface (genetically) will have most likely surfaced. Inbreeding keeps your line consistent. Ever see dogs out there and you just KNOW what line they are? Thats why. Linebreeding is the norm. Though I mainly linebreed, I have inbred also and plan to again hopefully. I'm still evaluating that one. OOPS! Sorry Goob, Didn't refresh and didn't see anyone's replies. We basically said the same thing! lol Most people who do not breed really have no knowledge of these things, so it is a natural response to think it deplorable. It is a normal "TOOL" in the breeding process. Breeders most always linebreed, (and inbreed every so often.) Rarely, unless necessary to strengthen the blood, will they breed to a dog from a different "family" - (called scatter-breeding). By the way, linebreeding is breeding with aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins...you get the drift. PS. Think about it! How do you think they make a breed of dog to begin with? How do they make a line within a breed? There are SO many lines within the APBT breed alone. INBREEDING! ------------------ [This message has been edited by chickee (edited 02-10-2004).] IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 02-09-2004 06:16 PM
quote: That shows what little you know about inbreeding. Chickee and Goob have the right information. how horrible does this dog look to you? Not deformed at all IMO!!
This girl isn't too bad herself.... She is triple bred off one stud. Her sire is out of the stud and her dam is the stud bred back to his daughter. And the stud comes from a 1/2bro X 1/2 sis breeding (same sire). Many great dogs are inbred. Ever here of Bailey's Bingo 4times Red Boy in 4 gen and once more in the 5th gen. Bingo produced many great producer, tight bred dogs often make good brood stock. Boyles' CH Bobby Jr (triplebred Bolio), CH Gator ROM(triplebred Jeep), his daughter CH MIss Gator 7xs Jeep in 4 gens, CH Rascal ROM (double bred Eli Jr), Garner's Angel (Dbl bred Chinaman) and not to say that is a very small fraction of quality inbred dogs. And all the ADBA CH and ACE dogs, of good health, temperament and appearance. Such as Villines' CH Just-A-Jezebel who is from their CH A/A I Sylver dog bred to his daughter, and the double bred(1/2 sibling breeding) CH A/A I Sylver littermates ACE Up N Atem, CH Hubba Bubba, and ACE Super Nova who is going to be CH real soon. Lots of cadwell's dog like CH Gigi & CH Hawk who is GR CH Boogieman to his daughter, oh but now I guess you are calling them inhumane and irresponsible even though they happen to be one of the truly best breeders to ever grace the breed. Right!!! Sorry but they only breed quality dogs, inbred, line bred or outcrossed. Many, many responsible breeders do this, it is in no way inhumane. The only breeders who have anything bad to say about it are people with sub quality dogs that don't know what they are doing and try to sound smart or important and sell their dogs. Like that stupid jerk trying to sell his scatterbred dogs that were man biters or had shy/fear problems. When asked why to stay away from inbred dogs he had no answer. Learn something before you give other people false information and spread rumors and lies. IP: Logged |
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cricket Member Posts: 51 |
posted 02-09-2004 06:26 PM
Just to clarify the difference between line breeding and in-breeding, for those who dont know. Line breeding is when you breed distant relatives, such as an aunt to a nephew, cousins, etc. In-breeding is the breeding of close relatives, such as brother to sister, father to daughter etc. IP: Logged |
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Deus Member Posts: 136 |
posted 02-09-2004 10:06 PM
True_Pits Do you have a web site? I would love to see more of your dogs. [This message has been edited by Deus (edited 02-10-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Luva Pit New Member  Posts: 3 |
posted 02-10-2004 06:43 AM
YIPPEE!! It is sooo nice to find a message board that can intelligently discuss these topics. Yes!(I think i'm home...LOL) IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 02-10-2004 02:48 PM
Deus yes i did have all my photos stored in an online album but I didn't pay the fee and they closed it down. The only way I was also to post the above two is by copying the URL from places I had previously posted them at. But I'm going to open a new account and have all the pics back up and running.
Well I'll get a new account and add some new pics. Thanks for the compliments. IP: Logged |
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