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True_Pits
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posted 01-19-2004 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
Does this look like it could be one of those Fraud buyers?

quote:
Greetings,
I am interested in buying and i want to know how much it will cost me .I am base in the netherland.I will also be responsible for the shipment.Do you accept US checks.Email asap with details.like
fullnames,
address,
phone number
cell number...
regards


DR RUSSELL RICHARD

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Auspetian

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posted 01-19-2004 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auspetian     Edit/Delete Message
Yes,

Be very suspicious about emails of this sort. They originate in Nigeria, Netherlands, and also UK.

Whatever they say or ask for, never give out your bank details.

What they do is first send you a false check by mail which you later deposit in your bank. Your bank will treat it as a valid overseas check and will deposit the amount into your account. A short time later the person who placed the order will cancel and will ask for a refund. You will then need to send him/her a refund (from money you draw from your account). A month or two later your bank will notify you that the original check was a fraud and the bank will withdrew the check amount back from your account.

Hope this helps...

Unfortunately this happens a lot lately. It is an old trick similar to the Nigerian scam letters. They are just getting more creative now.

Watch out !


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Angie
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posted 01-19-2004 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Angie     Edit/Delete Message
Did they ask ANY questions about what you are selling? I wouldn't trust them. I noticed a lot of them use the same email for anything you sell and just change one or two words. My friend gets a lot of these so I am just giving you my opinion.

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True_Pits
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posted 01-19-2004 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
I was real suspicious it was just odd. You know I've been getting some emails with people wanting to put funds in my account, I just delete them.
This guy didn't ask anything specific, he is very vauge like he could be asking about anything. I don't trust him at all.

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True_Pits
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posted 01-19-2004 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
Just relooked at the email. The subject was American Pit Bull Terriers, BUT they could easily put that for a subject then just paste in the generic message. I like the title DR Russell Richard, Doctor..lol.
I did email them back to see what kind of response I get. I have never done anthing internationally. Thanks guys, I'll be on the look out for these.

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Jas

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posted 01-19-2004 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
quote:

Email asap with details.like
fullnames,
address,
phone number
cell number...


Yikes - i don't like that, I'd tell them you need to know someone before you give out personal information!! Cell number??? That's peculiar...

I would explain that you need to meet your potential owners in person as you don't "ship" dogs away and you may require a home check. Also say you only accept certified Cheques. This should take care of them if they are a fraud

I'm sure through a network of APBT breeders, even internationally you could find out some info.... I'd even hint at letting them know you "know" and will have words with some breeders in their country. And ask for their infomation.

But I agree if you get that feeling go with your gut.

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Auspetian

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posted 01-20-2004 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auspetian     Edit/Delete Message
We're getting approx 30-40 emails per day with someone (mostly from Nigeria) asking to deposit anywhere between $10,000,000 to $125,000,000 into our bank account.

The sad part, it seams to be working for them, they would have stopped sending those emails otherwise. The number of emails we receive every day is staidly on the rise.
Used to be one or two emails per day....we get dozens everyday now.

My delete button is wearing out.

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Auspetian

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posted 01-20-2004 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auspetian     Edit/Delete Message
Things to note:

1) A certified check although may look like one (to you and to the bank) may still be just a good counterfeit. It is only when your bank presents it to the bank named on the check that the fraud can be detected, and the check then bounce.

2) It will take your bank anywhere between 2-4 months to absolutely verify that the check is real (although they will cash it for you immediately it may still bounce later and your bank will ask you to return the funds).

Word of advice, I would have stirred well clear of this Doctor if I were you.

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True_Pits
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posted 01-20-2004 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks guys I know it was a Fraud now. I just got another one this morning and you can tell they just copied and pasted in the info they wanted. They way they are so formal no real person would right like that. It says Dear, Seller.
quote:
I WILL LIKE TO ASK FOR IT PRESENT CONDITION AND ALSO ITS PICS IF AVAILABLE .
PLS GET BACK TO ME IF ITS STILL FOR SALE AND YOUR FIRM
PRICE FOR IT ,FOR PAYMENT CONCLUSION.
That is just strange. ITS condition, people don't generally ask questions like that and call a living being IT. Gosh these people!! I think you would have to be real stupid not to get these signs, they don't even ask any important questions you would when purchasing a dog. These are the first ones I've ever gotten though. Had some emails saying they wanted to deposit 1 million in my bank account, ya right!

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Meka
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posted 01-20-2004 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Meka     Edit/Delete Message
I was helping a friend of mine try to rehome a Doberman & a Boxer, about a month ago. I got a ton of e-mails from that guy. Same guy, from the same place. Only he said that he was inquiring about the dogs for a client of his...... I was going to keep the dogs myself, but they did not do well with other dogs. They kept trying to fight with my dogs, so I offered to help find someone to adopt them. I also had several other e-mails from out of the country. People offering to have someone else pick them up & arrange payment by check or money order. I knew it was a scam, (had to be, they didn't want any info other than a price), so I told them that the dogs were already adopted. People are so shady!!

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chickee
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posted 01-20-2004 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chickee     Edit/Delete Message
So phoney it's funny. But not funny to the people who actually went for it. A friend of mine had this happen. The details can be different in some ways, but it's all the same. I get emails all the time that want to know if I have puppies for sale, how much, pictures, pedigrees, blah.... I just email them back that they can find all the info they are looking for on my site and give them the URL. I wonder, "How do they KNOW my email address and that I have APBTs in general if they haven't went to my site?? And if they have been to my site, they wouldn't have had a need to write such a vague email asking for info and pictures." My goodness, I have more pictures of all my dogs than most people on the Internet. It's all fake. And you kind of wonder at the same time, what kind of people are so dense they can really believe this crap? It's so obvious.

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Samsintentions
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posted 01-21-2004 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
Oh I got those emails daily!!! I think I was up to 10 emails. I finaly would reply to them with the same message," write to me again, I'll file charges".
Some quit, others persisted more!!!!

Don't fall for it.
I just got one this morning saying that she was a poor woman with 12 children that are hungry and sick, she was the late Mrs. something form India. the wife of the ambasador for forign actions.....blah blah blah...she wanted to transfer $ 13,000,000.00 into my account by midnight. If I complied with her wishes she would reward me 30% of it....yeah, right. If she had that kind of $$$...why would she be calling herself poor and her "litter" starving and sick?????

Stupid people. I wrote back telling her she was an idiot if she thought for a second that anyone would fall for such crap.

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True_Pits
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posted 01-21-2004 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
I replied to "Dr Russells" To see where it took me and what they would actually say.

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THANKS ALOT FOR THE MAIL... SINCE YOU ARE WILLING TO SELL TO ME AND EACH COST $100.I WILL BE INSTRESTED TO HAVE 5 DOGS FROM YOU AND THAT WILL COST ME $500,DON'T BOTHER YOURSELF ABOUT THE SHIPING,MY INTERNATIONAL SHIPPER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SHIPPING ARRANGEMENT AND THE PAPER WORKS.
SINCE I GOT YOUR NUMBER AND PLEASE KINDLY GIVE ME YOUR FULL ADDRESS AS TO SEND YOU THE PAYMENT FUNDS.

I'm wondering what makes him say 5 dogs for $100. I told him I had a friend with a couple(as in 2) of dogs for sale and he could contact her for details as in cost, shipping and everything else, to see what his response was. That was it, the I have my own shipper is the biggest part of the scam. I got several more but his is the only one i replied to, what an idiot, tell him a friend has a couple dogs and he wants 5 for $500. LOL
Guess he got his his DR, from a Doctorite (sp?) in Con Artistry.

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True_Pits
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posted 01-21-2004 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
I have another question about this. When they send the check and everything do they actually have someone come ship and get the dogs? I wouldnt think so since it is just a scam but what comes of it? They send you a fake check and then get a refund (which i don't and won't give). What do they get out of it if they don't take the dogs? If they send you a false check and then ask for a refund and you give it to them, they would only get the money they paid in? My friend who is really selling a couple of her dogs, doesnt even have a checking account at this time. Sorry so many questions I have heard of the scam and seen several warnings but I have never been told the end outcome of the scam.

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Auspetian

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posted 01-21-2004 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auspetian     Edit/Delete Message
In your case, you are well aware of the scam and therefore will not send them
a refund. They gain nothing. However, the ones that fall for it will send the refund
and a month later will discover that the actual check was a counterfeit. In such case
they will be loosing the refund money which they had to send back to the con artist.

Eg. Con artiste send you a check for $500 you cash it. He later asks for a refund
and you send him the refund ($500). Then his check will bounce (might take 2
months for it to bounce) and then your bank asks you for the $500 which they gave
you when you cashed the check. Bottom line...you are down $500 (plus bank
charges for a fake check). While you get to hold the original fake check

I don’t think you’ll ever see any of them and shipment will never really take place.
It is all just part of the scam and of making their con story look authentic.

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Auspetian

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posted 01-21-2004 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auspetian     Edit/Delete Message
Heres some links to check out:
http://www.fraudaid.com/ScamSpeak/Nigerian/nigerian_scam_letters.htm
http://www.scam419.com/links.php?action=general
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2638001.stm
http://members.tripod.com/aspaaus/
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/13/1050172476237.html

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Auspetian

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posted 01-21-2004 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auspetian     Edit/Delete Message
A MUST Read by anyone receving these letters:
http://www.419fraud.com/
http://www.419fraud.com/419_crimes.htm
http://www.419fraud.com/419_contacts.htm
http://www.419fraud.com/419_news_links.htm

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Auspetian

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posted 01-21-2004 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auspetian     Edit/Delete Message
True_pits,

I forgot to mention that the real reason for them to contact you may well develop into what is described in the links provided above.

They seek a reason to enter into communication with an unsuspecting victim and it then develops into something else !, Hence his request for your phone numbers , address etc.

http://www.419fraud.com/419_crimes.htm


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True_Pits
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posted 01-21-2004 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
Ok thanks you have been so helpful. But they really are not gaining anything but a refund and putting you in the hole. Well Im going to check out the links to learn more.

And about the refund, I meant regardless I would never send anyone a refund, they pay for wasting time, its not my fault they changed their mind and couldn't come through.

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