posted 01-08-2004 11:20 AM         

2. They don't have the proper knowledge to breed and are unaware of potential health risks, genetic diseases, are mistakes they could be making.

3. They don't do health test to ensure the genetic stability of the line. They don't test the puppies for diseases.

4. They have done nothing to prove their dog is breed worthy. As long as they have a capable male and female thats it just stick
them together.

5. They breed for totally wrong reasons. For money. So they can have a litter of their own because their dogs are just such good pets. To have something to show for their dogs.

6. Unable to place the dogs in the best home because the dogs are of pet quality or of poor quality.

7. Offer nothing good to the breed, just excess dogs that are not of the best quality.

8. They add to the already over high dog population and to the Pit Bull population.

"i have a male and a female pittbull ive breed them and they had beautiful pups"

Many dogs produce "beautiful pups" even cross breeds. Breeders don't breed just to have something nice to show off.

"i mean if no one ever breed them then wouldnt pittbulls become near extinct?"

That could actually be a good thing. No one said that NO ONE should even breed. ONLY EXPERIENCED, KNOWLEDGABLE, REPUTABLE breeders should breed. NOT backyard breeders. If NO backyard breeders bred their would be millions less dogs in shelter, and hundred thousand less Pit Bulls in shelters. Why should more dogs be added to the population, especially if they can't bring anything beneficial to the breed.
There would be less "accidental" breedings
from the irreponsible owners who bought from BYBs, there would be less attacks because dogs with poor temperments wouldn't be bred. And irresponsible people looking for a guard dog wouldn't own them.

"sell the pups at high price's to anybody who has the money."

Some do a select few who fool people into thinking their dogs are just the best ever. Kennel blind people make their buyers kennel blind, which in turn makes the buyer think his poorly bred dog is breed worthy and worth so much.

The majority of BYB sell their dogs relativly cheap. From $50-$200 some may go for more than that. Just look in your local paper. Here is an ad from mine:
PIT BULLS 1 m brindle 3yrs. cropped ears.
60Lbs. $100 neg. 1 F 2yrs & 1 F 1 1/2yrs. $150ea. Females are good breeders. Male a nice stud or pet.

So guess they may have bred these poor females to know they are good breeders. One of them is only 1.5 years. The dogs aren't even registered. I see many adds like this in the paper. They seem to grow and grow everytime I look.

"Everybody has to start somewheres. And i dont see anything wrong with it, if you have two perfectly healthy dogs,(of the same breed) why not breed them."

The starting place would be RESEARCH, RESEARCH and more RESEARCH. Then talking to a mentor which would be someone who is well versed in the breed and breeding good, quality dogs for the type of dogs you would want to breed. Whether that would be conformation or catch dog. THEN you would purchase a properly bred dog from a good breeder and start from there. Of course everyone has to start somewhere, there always has to be that first litter. That however is no excuse for breeding poor quality dogs or two dogs just because you have them and THINK they are healthy. If your doing it do it right and be deticated. Don't be sloppy and create more unwanted dogs or ones with future health problems.
When you start out think about what type of dog you want to breed and the lines you most like. Then after you finally get that good dog from a proper breeder prove it is breed worthy in the even of your choosing. Have it health tested. Once it has accomplished what it needs to be done to be breed worthy. Find the correct, most suitable mate possible. This male should be of the same quality as the female, perhaps maybe even been bred before and proved it can produce, sound, healthy and worthy dogs. If your dog fails to accomplish what needs to be done, say has bad conformation or HD cull it. DON'T breed it and find another breed worthy dog. You can always keep it as a pet no reason to breed a not breed quality dog. Too many people who start out good go down hill because they didn't want to cull. Starting off with a bad dog will only give you a bad line and cause more problems down the road.

Breeding takes a lot of time, money, research, detication, knowledge, resources and breed worthy dogs. If you don't have them don't do it.

posted 01-08-2004 12:00 PM         

My local paper has 5 ads today. Pups selling in the above price range. 4 of the 5 ads spelled 'pittbull'.

One has Boodroe lines!

Another says 'full blood but no papers'.

Another: '6 weeks old and acting hot'.

posted 01-08-2004 03:19 PM         

Those sound like the usual ones I see in the paper. It is truly sickening, and its not only with Pit Bulls. Have you checked out the classified section for this forum. Its just as sicking as the paper adds. There are so many maltepoos and other poorly bred cross breeds.

posted 01-09-2004 01:20 PM         

Friends? Why would one not have friends because they know BYB is wrong and harmful to the breed? I have many friends, some really good friends. And friends who are breeders too, real breeders. Even a couple who are shady. I try to help them the best I can, I never push them away. The only thing you can do when you have a friend like this who refuses to stop breeding poor quality dogs is try to make it the best, and help with getting the pups to good homes.

posted 01-09-2004 09:46 PM         

If you honestly have to know I feed my dogs Diamond dog products. It not the best but its a better quality dog food than most. I am now in search of a new supplier where I can actually order the a better brand of food in large quanities though. Think I found one place is a couple hours away so I can even drive instead of having it delivered(xtra cost for shipping).

So what do you feed?

I'm not assuming you put it out there. Remember that Band Of Gypys character I didn't get into any of that just becuase I don't want to get involved and you can't really stop BYBs. You asked the reasons why so I commented. You more than less admitted to being a backyard breeder and act like its no problem. Sorry if I'm assuming but its the only thing I have to go on. I asked the basic quastions of breeding you could have easily said what is the truth if I'm wrong. I would want to if I were you. I've had to do it before when I was vague, its easy to clear up the matter. What I don't understand is if I'm assuming these things and you are a infact a real responsible breeder then why did you even ask the question and make it appear as though you yourself was a backyard breeder? If your a responsible breeder why do you think BYB is okay?

Do tell about the quality of your dogs? The bloodlines? What the parents were like and titled in? What your dogs earned to be shown breed worthy? How healthy they are? Where the pups are and what they accomplished? I'm assuming their pet quality because thats what can only be taken by the information given and the vague discription of breeding your animals. How did you select these two dogs to pair up? You just made it sound like oh I have a male and a female so I bred them. Please your dogs are registered..lol Sorry but that in no way implies quality. Many, many registered dogs shouldn't be bred. That poorly conformed, people aggressive part Bullmastiff dog I mentioned is registered I don't really think he should be bred. Many pet-poor quality dogs are registered. Not all BYB are in it for the money that was one reason given.

posted 01-10-2004 12:07 AM         

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remember i just ask a question and you got all crazy on me.

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oh yeah and i seen pics of your dogs and i must ask what are you feeding them? they dont look healthy..

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posted 01-11-2004 04:03 PM         

"wouldnt any GOOD breeder know these things"

What things? You havn't pointed anything out specifically that shows lack of knowledge? Or being irresponsible? Or being a bad breeder?

Questions are for information which doesn't mean you don't know anything, it could be for the very sake of having a conversation. Lets see...

"Has anyone's Pit Bull ever shown to be protective? Has your dog ever protected or saved you?"

I wanted to know the experiences of others with their Pit Bulls. Even got some responses from owners of other breeds. Yeah I mean I'm such a good breeder that I'm a psychic and I just know what everyone elses dog is like.

"Dog With A Problem" THREAD

I asked a few different questions about possible problems, and treatments. To know what may be wrong with my dog, how that person dealt with it or if their dog could even be treated at all. A dog having her same infetion may have acted in a different manner, therefore even if I had a dog get such a sickness before I may not know she had the same thing. I also wanted to know how concerned I should be. Those could have been symptoms to a number of things. My worse fear of a spinal injury. Good thing it wasn't. Didn't think it was HD even though it was suggested to me. Only because of the sudden flare up. I believe it can flare up, however my vet said that would usually be in older dogs of at least 3 years. HD could be a possible concern in her line. So could a couple other problems probably.

"Neighboring Dogs" THREAD

I asked questions about people having problems with their neighbors dogs again for having conversation. Its good to know your not the only one living near irresponsible people.

"New Pictures (Odd nose" THREAD
I asked: "Does anyone else think his nose is odd? Has anyone else seen a nose like this?"

Basically the same thing, I wanted to know how many others may have seen a dog with such a nose color, and have something to talk about.

As I recall, atually I realized lastnite when I finally put 2 and 2 together weren't you the one who asked this question.

"Will my Male Pitbull Kill His Puppy's"

posted 01-12-2004 02:13 PM         

"It depends on your dog."

It is besides the point whether or not the male will kill them. The fact of the matter is its just really dumb to put another dog in with the mom/pups. There is no reason for it. The big fact also is their IS/WAS possiblity that he may have hurt them or even killed them.

I believe this is you too.
"just recently my female pitbull just had puppy's. ive always said that i wanted to keep one from her first litter. the one i was going to keep was going to be a female, because i heard that they would get along better with the father dog. my only problem is the female had all boys, so im wanting to keep one of them. some people tell me that when the male dog gets bigger the father might kill him."

Oh wow you are planning to keep ONE from her FIRST litter!! So that means your planning on breeding her again, not really surprising I guess. Poor girl. You claim its not about money then why is it? Only ONE out of her entire litter and ONLY out of the FIRST litter. So you are going to peddle the rest of her litters, figures.