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posted 01-05-2004 10:05 AM         

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Personaly I agree with maine and goodboys, this person should never have put the dog in that situation, should never have adopted the dog A- not knowing the breed B- not having the situation for that kind of dog.
If my dog were to bite somone(it is possible she's no saint) then i would fight till the bitter end not to have her put down. not that i would let her be in the situation.
My dog has never been around kids for a period of time so it would be idiotic of me to leave her with one.
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posted 01-05-2004 10:39 AM         

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No pit bull should EVER bite a human for any reason unless it's owners life is threatened!Anyone who even considers this an issue is a DOG owner and not a PIT owner.
The creators of this breed did so by culling the man-biters as they are not considered bulldogs.
I was given hell for describing how I had to have my own dog destroyed, for snapping and growling at children, but no real 'dogger' alive would damn me for what I did, and that is all I care about.
A pitbull that has bitten an adult human is inches away from killing a child...which in the eyes of the Lord and the courts will be the owners fault, why would anyone expect a person to risk all damnation by keeping a dog like this alive?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, they put murderous humans to death, do dogs have more rights than humans?
Does your mean dog have more of a right to exist in it's miserable world than does your neighbors children to exist in their happy one,without the threat of a monster that may get out one day and attack them?
Does this one bad apple deserve to live and continue to help feed the media another 'bad pitbull' story while thousands of loving bulldogs who would never bite anyone are destroyed in shelters, or neglected by uncaring owners?
Please have youre dog destroyed, yes it will be hard, I still cry 2 years later over my dog,but it is the only right thing to do! And please consider adopting again,most bulldogs are in jail because timid owners who didn't know how to handle so much dog were shocked when they came home to find their couch reduced to rubble, not because they were mean!!

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posted 01-05-2004 12:30 PM         

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"the shelter should not hav eadopted out a dog showing these signs"

What exactly should the shelter have done with a dog showing these signs? You beleive its WRONG to put a dog down for biting. If the shelter hadn't adopted this dog out then what would have happened to it. It would have never bit so it wouldn't be being detroyed, but what would have happened? Most dogs NOT adopted out are detroyed, in some shelters dogs that exhibit aggressive behavior are destroyed. Thats what would have happened, so either way the dog would be put to death. The shelter can't keep a dog like that, they really can't keep any dog.

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posted 01-05-2004 03:40 PM         

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I'm not "just" thinking about the breed, i'm thinking about a LIFE here buddy....

Can you have a little more range in your thinking? In your careless comments??

Don't get a dog if your not gonna take FULL responsibility. Putting him to sleep, is a SORRY excuse for being a FAILURE.

I'm serving this message to "Fastlane", & Gemini.

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posted 01-05-2004 03:41 PM         

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Error....

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posted 01-05-2004 04:12 PM         

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"Don't get a dog if your not gonna take FULL responsibility. Putting him to sleep, is a SORRY excuse for being a FAILURE.

I'm serving this message to "Fastlane", & Gemini."

LOL - Wasn't my dog that bit someone. Matter of fact none have ever bit. Therefore, serve to someone else. Do you believe there are only bad owners? LMAO

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posted 01-05-2004 05:23 PM         

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Do you believe there are only bad owners?

--NO, but i bet you hoped i'd say yes huh??

I never said you were the one w/ the dog.
You obviously don't have enough range in thought to understand that YOU were the one that said i was clueless, remember now?!?

That's good that your dogs haven't bit anybody. Hope it stays that way.
If your "responsible", it should'nt EVER happen. Especially if you have Pitbulls.

Get it?!?
IT WAS HER FAULT, not the dogs.

Her giving up on having to deal w/ this dog that she accepted into her life is now deserting her dog. Not only that she is Killing her own dog. To me she should have NEVER owned this kinda dog. And for putting it to sleep, because she "gives up", does'nt/SHOULD'NT be allowed to own any dog EVER!!

Is this how you would do your own/family??
If you answer Yes, than that simply tells me that you never R E A L L Y had a true love for your dog. How could you so easily kill your own??

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posted 01-05-2004 05:40 PM         

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"You obviously don't have enough range in thought to understand that YOU were the one that said i was clueless, remember now?!?"

I stated "anyone" that thinks the dog should live is clueless. If the shoe fits? LOL

Why don't you adopt the dog? Maybe it could make headlines in your town.

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posted 01-05-2004 06:05 PM         

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Nah Mann, this is what you said:

"The few that think this dog should live are clueless"

Don't hide the truth....

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posted 01-05-2004 07:31 PM         

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I dont think Gemini is a clueless heartless person. She came to the board looking for advice. In her earlier posts it looks as if she has contacted many many different groups, trainers, and behaivorists for help and advice. I dont think she woke up and decided Well thats it...No more Im going to take the easy way out and kill my dog. No where do I see that from any of her posts.

Yes it was irresponsible for having the dog in a situation where it was around a stranger. The person who was bitten was also irresponsible for not heeding the warning of the dogs owner.
We can point fingers and place blame and call names all day long but that wont change or help the situation.
Gemini can no longer keep this dog. She has children, a soon to be step daughter, and has already expressed that she can not handle a human aggressive dog. Very few people can, expessially those with children.
Im sure that if the shelter was aware this dog was aggressive it would not have been adopted in the first place, it would have been euthanised. Not to say that the dog didnt have this potential in the shelter. A dog can be completely different once pulled from the shelter and into a new home when it gains back its confidence.
So what is to become of this dog? Stay in a home that isnt qualified to care for it? Where it is a dangerous situation for both the dog and children, neighbors and owner? Where it could be allowed to attack again only this time kill?
She has contacted many rescue groups, all have denied this dogs acceptance into their program.
Everyone who she has spoken with have not offered to rehabilitate.
Should she take this dog to the pound where it will be traumatized before it passes away by the strange dogs barking, the smell of death and fear of other dogs and cats? Hopefully by the means of an injectable euthanasia instead of a gas chamber where the dog might survive and then have to be gassed again?
Should she lock this dog into a kennel, or another room and keep a muzzel on it 24/7?
To the people who think that this dog should continue to live, do you have the time, resources and room to take this dog in and rehabilitate it, IF it can be rehabilitated at all? Do you have the thousands of dollars of home owners insurance it would take to keep such a dangerous dog? Would you be willing to take this dog in? What would you do if the dog turned on someone in your family? Would you be the idiotic moron then?
The dog can not be handled in this home, the dog has no other place to go. It is human aggressive and she does not know how to control it. It may not even be possible to be controlled.
Someone said that the dog should have never been taken in without knowing the history. Alot of the dogs in the pounds today do not have history available. Someone else said she should have never taken in the dog without knowing the breed. What does biting someone have to do with a pit? It is out of the breeds characteristic to bite humans. This isnt a min pin!
I too have a bleeding heart. I too hate euthanizing animals. You have to look at the situation as compassionately as possible while still looking at it logically and for the best interest of everyone involved.
Left in the situation this dog is in now it will only bite again.
Gemini hasnt even posted in a day or two. Im sure this argument is no longer valid as the dogs fate has probably already been decided.
Gemini, please consider another shelter pit. There are many that deserve loving homes that are not human aggressive. Try looking into a local rescue group who will truly know each individual dogs behaivor, temperment and how it will adapt to your life style.
Good luck, and best regards.

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posted 01-05-2004 07:31 PM         

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'Nah Mann, this is what you said:'

"The few that think this dog should live are clueless"

'Don't hide the truth....'

Semantics. Anyone, few, those, etc. Get it now?

Your name must be "Few". LMAO

Going to adopt that manbiter you have gone to bat for? Eh?

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posted 01-05-2004 07:53 PM         

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Let's make this civil and avoid calling people idiots and other names, you know better than that.

Agree to disagree, and lets avoid ranting and raving, really the only beneficial posts are the ones offering suggestions to help the original poster.

Name calling will result in the deletion of the offending post!

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posted 01-05-2004 08:28 PM         

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Okay, you know i had a REAL good one for Mr. LMAO here, but i deleted it.

I did'nt know you had posted something Jas, could'nt you have come just a little later???

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posted 01-05-2004 09:05 PM         

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"A- not knowing the breed" The BREED ISN'T supposed to be man aggressive thats why man aggressive dogs were and should still be culled. Any bred can become so and have issues. This breed is one who should have a complete tolerance for other people.

"Don't get a dog if your not gonna take FULL responsibility. Putting him to sleep, is a SORRY excuse for being a FAILURE."

Being responsible is putting a man aggressive dog down, being irresponsible is allowing the dog to live and cause further damage.
I agree it was the owners fault the dog BIT a person, BUT if you have to worry about a bulldog biting then it should be culled. Pit Bulls shouldn't be inclined to bite people.

Putting it down isn't making an excuse its being sane. Why put more people at risk, especially the children. What if this is a genetic defect, and the dog grows worse with age and will no longer tolerate familair people and kills one of those kids? Oh well as long as we didn't kill the doggie, it couldn't help killing someone. Its not the owners fault the dog is a poor specimen of the breed, its a horrible situation for anyone to be in. How is this an excuse for failure? What has this person failed at? The dog is unstable which means it should be culled.

Man aggressive dogs are a cancer, killing people, spoiling the breeds reputation, and attracting the media and the wrong type of people. Get it early and remove it while you can!! I would have culled the dog for growling at the child. It could be that child's life next time or even the owners. The dog is an abomination to the breed.

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posted 01-05-2004 09:24 PM         

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gemini061279,
PUT THAT DOG DOWN..If you have not already.

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posted 01-05-2004 09:46 PM         

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Gemini:

You haven't killed your dog yet!?!?!
Well HURRY UP.... What a disgrace to the breed!!! KILL that piece of trash NOW!!!!

I'm done on this post.
God bless the Pitbull....

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posted 01-06-2004 12:39 AM         

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my question is... why adopt the dog if he is human aggressive, and if you do.. why put it to sleep when he bites someone... you knew what was goin to happen!!!! if your gonna adopt a human agressive dog, why not be more cautious??

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posted 01-06-2004 03:41 AM         

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Look I know this is a Pitt bull tread, BUT any breed of dog should not be human aggresive, be it the pitt is more powerfull, that is not the piont.
My friend has a Yorkie, totally human/dog/cat aggresive yet it's not been destroted WHY? because it cant do as much harm! this dog (acorrding to what you have said) should be destroyed like any other dog!
Children no matter how old should be taught VERY firmily how to treat a dog with respect, (ANY DOG).
There are bad apples in every breed.
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posted 01-06-2004 06:16 AM         

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why put it to sleep when he bites someone...

Because pits should not bite!!!!! You dont take a breed that is on the brink like our breed is and let it bite someone, if it does then it needs to be put down! There is no excuse, IMO if a pittie even growls at someone who is not threatining you then it needs to meet its maker.

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posted 01-06-2004 09:25 AM         

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Ok topic now CLOSED since certain people can not behave themselves and there have been more than enough responses. Thankfully others have offered constructive advice from all sides and now Gemini can make an educated decision based on what is right for her family.

Good luck Gemini whatever you decide

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