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True_Pits Member  Posts: 373 |
posted 12-25-2003 09:50 AM
 
Well my dog is acting very strange and like she is in some discomfort. I'm not sure what could be the problem. Yesterday I put her outside (unsual b/c she is a house dog), but it was a really nice day and I was free so I spent as much time outside as I could. I took the kenneled dogs out and put them on chains to play with them and get them some exercise. The house dog was on her long chain next to the house and doing her usual and I played with her for awhile. Then I went inside and left her out. I left her outside the entire day which is unsual but I was busy and she should be alrite outside. She caught glimpse of some cats, sniffed around and settled on the steps where she usually does. Then I let her in lastnite and she seemed to act fine. I went upstairs and finally went to bed at about 6:00am she then CLIMBED in bed which is very weird, she pulled herself up with her front legs. She normally jumps right in bed. I didn't think about it until this morning. I got up and called her out of bed from the door (happens often if I don't tell her to get up she'll just keep sleeping) she got up but then walked kind of slowly to the door. Then she wouldn't walk down the stairs. When I finally got her outside she went potty and then just sat in the middle of the yard. Really weird she would normally come right back to the door or look for cats outside the fence. I called her and she didn't come so I called her again and again then she finally came with some effort. She walked like her back legs were stiff. She came in and layed down in the hall. I went back upstairs and layed down. She stayed in the hall, she always follows me EVERYWHERE. I went back down and threw food to her but she wouldn't get up to get it, she is a gluton and always eats everything in site. Then she did get up for some bacon and almost ran for it. She got up like she was having discomfort and kept sitting every chance she got. Then I told her to lay on her bed which is in the living room and she's been their every since. Has anyone had anything similar to this happen to their dog or maybe know what it is and what is the cause? I was trying to come up with different things it could be. At first I thought maybe her leg was "asleep" I know I've almost fallen when I've gotten up not knowing my leg is numb. But she still acts that way. I thought she might have pulled or strained a muscle somehow? I don't believe it is dislocated as she can still run and everything works. She just acts like it is hurting her. I thought she could have gotten to cold outside at first lastnite because she isn't used to the outside she was shivering some while the other dogs are fine and have outdoor winter coats. Now I don't think that is it because she isn't acting sick, just like her back legs are bothering her. If anyone can please give suggestions/advice. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-25-2003 08:09 PM
Anyone out there?? Here is a little update. She seems to be doing a little better. She walks easier now but I can tell she has some discomfort and moves slowly. She will walk around though or at least sit or even stand. I hope she is better tomorrow. She is upstairs sleeping in her crate while I was at work. I'm going to let her out soon. I hope this isn't something SERIOUS although I can't imagine what it could be. The only bad thing I'm thinking is something spinal or nerve damage, but it definatly doesn't appear to be that at all. Still could be something else serious I guess. If it is I'll have decisions to make, man this is really puzzling me. Any thoughts from anyone? IP: Logged |
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ignergehl Member Posts: 174 |
posted 12-25-2003 08:11 PM
(disclaimer, I am not making this statement through anything but extensive experience with certain conditions that have symptons like these, and am only conjecturing, not staing it as fact.) That said, what you describe sounds very much like early symptoms of hip dysplasia.It can flare up suddenly and can cause a lot of pain, which may be why your dog is clingy and not eating right.I'm sure you don't need to be told that you really should get her in to be x-rayed as soon as possible. Pits are very strong, muscular dogs and often do not show symptoms of ANY conditions until the pain is very pronounced. These are also possible symtoms of a back problem so quick action is critical. Just because the dog stops acting strangely does not mean that the problem is gone, it is likely to come back more and more often, and as pits are very active, she may injure herself furthur. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-25-2003 08:51 PM
Thanks for your reply ignergehl. I hope its really not something that serious. It will be a job just finding out which stinking vet to take her to!!! The vet here only want MONEY and makes you do 1001 test that aren't necessary just so they can charge you and say they aren't sure what the problem is. They usually overcharge at ridiculous prices. There is one vet I really like that is out of town, he is more expensive in some cases depends on what your doing mostly reasonable, also he really likes his job and knows what he is doing. If you take a animal out here its like bust out every test, xray it and guess what it could be, get as much money possible. Then there are some others they are not so good either. She is eating normally and drinking normally, but just wouldn't get up to get the dog food I threw to her probably because it was hurting a lot then. Also she ISN'T clingy. That is what is unsual like I said she usually follows me EVERYWHERE but I guess the pain is stopping her. She has no will to follow me only stare. Last nite she slowly climbed the bed instead of jumping in it. I hope it isn't HD. Maybe I should know more about it but its not something I have dealt with. Most gamebred dogs are pretty well off and healthy even into old age. Sometimes a hearing problem, every once in awhile blindness but other than that.... She is a crappy pull bred dog. I guess you really have to watch those types for being displastic. I only got her as a possible show prospect and pet. Even if she is never bred I still wanted to show her just for fun you know. How young does HD usually effect the dog? She is 14 months old. Also what are the options with it? Are there any possible treatments? Thanks for your time and help. IP: Logged |
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ignergehl Member Posts: 174 |
posted 12-25-2003 10:40 PM
The problem with it being a muscle pull or something like that is that a pit usually has to be doing something pretty outragous to do it, unless it has weak hips, that makes it more vulnerable. HD shows up in gamebred dogs, too, but with their stoic nature they just rarely show symptoms, but also due to the strenuous nature of the gametest, any problems usually show right up and the dog is usually 'disposed of' one way or another.Yeah, pull-bred dogs are a bit more loosly bred, that coupled with the larger size some of them come in, it wouldn't surprise me that they will be turning up with bone problems. My female pit, April, had shown signs like the ones you describe (just wanting to sit there) at about 3 years old, and progressivly worsened until I had to have her put down at 8 years old, as she had terrible hips. The vet said it was amazing how well she got around, despite having almost no sockets at all. I would like to have helped her, but as you said, the greedy vets all wanted thousands to do a double hip replacement...something I could never afford. I had her on glucosamine-condroitin for a number of years, with helps build and maintain some cartilage, but is very expensive itself. lets just hope that is not what your problem is, and that it isn't a spinal problem as well. One problem with this type of chronic pain is that some dogs can become very irritable after awhile...and snappy. Has she had normal bowel movements? Sometime bowel obstructions can cause similar symptoms, too. IP: Logged |
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GoodboysBaddogs Member Posts: 409 |
posted 12-25-2003 11:10 PM
How unusual, my AB just went through something very similar. His thing was, after a day of strenuous exercise. We beat our running time in a certain trail we take by 10 minutes. The following day he was acting somewhat similar, he even would cry out in pain durring certain movements of his back legs too. Usually it would be when i was checking for where the pain was, like when i was standing him up on his back legs. He would'nt be able to do the normal jump-up-two-handed-high-fives. It's been 2 days since i think, & he's pretty much back to his crazy old self, i'd say. Every hour he would seem to be getting better till present. It was definatly something i could tell, & not something i was just hoping for. BUT, it's not something to be taking lightly. Like ignergehl mentioned, it could be the dreadful early stages of HD. I'm d e e p l y afraid of this being a fact. I'm seriously considering getting x-rays, but i'm gonna wait untill it ever happens again. In my situation i'm like you, thinking that it was very possibly have been a muscle strain or sore aching muscles. My brother was here yesterday & earlier today for Christmas & all, & he's actually a physical therapist (for humans, [do they have them for animals, i'm guessing yes]). Anyhow, i always ask him to check out my AB pretty much all throughout his life so far, & i asked him to check it yesterday of coarse. He siad everything was fine and that 1-2 weeks rest would be something very important right now, even though things look ok/fine. He said it was most likly to be a muscle strain. When a muscle get's pulled, from fast bursts of energy, or strenuous movements. Sooooooo, i'm guessing in your situation, it was probably what your thinking. Yup, the Cats. Very likely i'd say. "My" recommendation for her is to give her daily supplements. Glucosamine & Chondroitin. You can give this to him in a "whole food" supplement. I recommend Wellness Super5Mix Supplement. It's in a powdered form. Or, Missing Link (get the one w/ joint support). It's the same kinda stuff as the Wellness. All around beneficial! HD can come up throughout any age of the dogs life. Usually when they get older, or around yours & my dogs age. Mine is 16 mo's. A couple of Q's for you: What kinda food are you feeding her? Anyway, check out this thread, maybe it will help. Good-Luck & Keep Us Posted.... IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 12-25-2003 11:22 PM
Maybe a pulled muscle from romping around in the cold? I've been warned by the guy we go to for training classes to make sure to give the dogs a chance to stretch out and warm up a bit when I bring them out before starting to make them do anything strenuous. You also said that she saw the cats... does she normally chase them? If so, maybe she hit the end of her chain and twisted something around on the impact. Could be an orthopedic type injury, or a congenital joint disease just now showing up due to her maturing and helped out to the surface by the cold weather and exercise. I think 14 months is within the ages that they can get panostenitis (spelled wrong)- growing pains, so that's another possibility. HD can start showing up at just about any age, even really young pups, and can be anything from mild looseness of the joint, to like Igner said, the dog have practically no socket for the ball to rest in. Most people also believe that a dog who is well put together otherwise, and kept in good shape will often be less affected by even moderate HD than and out of shape, poorly built dog with mild HD, because they can compensate better with good structure otherwise, and have more muscle mass to support the hip ball in whatever there is to the socket. There are more ways of dealing with HD now than there used to be, and depending on various factors (age of dog, severity of disease, exercise level, etc). There are two or three different surgery options (I think one that can only be done on 'young" (don't remember exactly what "young" was anymore) dogs, one that is in the thousands per hip, and one that is cheaper, but I could be wrong). Then there are also "holistic" type approaches (for milder cases), like using exercise to build up muscles to support the joint, and supplements to try and slow degeneration, keep pain to a minimum, etc. Swimming is really good for dogs with HD, because it's a no-impact exercise, and the water supports the weight. It could also be something seemingly unrelated that's causing her to act like this... a pain from something else (broken tooth, ear infection, just about anything) can cause them to act sluggish and otherwise "blah". Just a couple ideas, hope she's better soon, or you can find a vet who's not looking to gouge your wallet. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-25-2003 11:25 PM
Hey Ig my breeder friend said it could quite possibly be muscle pull after he asked me if she had been outside. I know after a day of quats I can barely walk, but I hear what your saying. I think she may have weak hips, or some type of weakness to strain herself. She hasn't had hard exersize in awhile and I wasn't trying to give her any but after I playing I left her out and those cats would pop up and have her going nuts. Maybe she pulled something while on the chain, injured herself with it? Or possible just by acting crazy? "HD shows up in gamebred dogs, too, but with their stoic nature they just rarely show symptoms, but also due to the strenuous nature of the gametest, any problems usually show right up and the dog is usually 'disposed of' one way or another." I've never had or seen any HD problem outs of the game bred pits. Not that they don't exist, these dogs are definatly resistent to pain so it may not show symptons, but I do know some game dog people who do the whole 9 yards. Health test, conformation, genetic testing, ect and their dogs are healthy and pass. You have exactly my point they are CULLED, bulldogs use their backends for a lot of work. Put them in a hard test and those signs will show. "Yeah, pull-bred dogs are a bit more loosly bred, that coupled with the larger size some of them come in, it wouldn't surprise me that they will be turning up with bone problems." So many of them seem to be having bone problems, HD, elbows, joints, bowed legs, ect. I don't think it could be an obstuction, she is with me all the time or in her crate. Unless she did eat something yesterday and it is causing problems now?!?! She ate and drank regular and went to her potty spot behinf the big tree. I saw he pee one time when I put her out and all the othertimes she was all the way behind the big tree so I couldn't see what she did. I'm going to go check after I write this. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-25-2003 11:35 PM
Ok fresh poopies, took me forever to find. I had to check all the usual spots, its cold and dark out there I did take a flash light. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-25-2003 11:53 PM
The 1000s surgery may not be so bad. Here I bet if I took her in they would say oh lets do a parvo test, a test for coxidia when its clear thats not whats afflicting her!! I will be making a out of town vet visit to my fav vet when/if need be. GoodboysBaddogs-I'm really hoping its just the muscle strain from the cold/activity. Its been cold here lately and it seemed warm to me but it was still a really cool day. Especially for a house dog used to the warmth being left out. She was not only going off about the cats. The entire time when I was playing with one of my other females, she threw a fit and ran herself crazy just because she thought the other female was going to get to play with the springpole. Which she didn't get to but my dog is the jealous type and nuts over "her" springpole. A couple of Q's for you: What kinda food are you feeding her? Diamond Premium Adult food Is she overweight? NO WAY. Its cruel and neglectful. That does cause ALL SORTS of health problems. Does she get regular exercise? hmmmm, if you call sleeping all day regular excersize...lol Seriously she was at one point an outside dog briefly. Then she was in the house again and still had a good walk everyday, then her conditioning on the mill and other activities. But she hasn't been put on the mill for a couple months, hasn't been walked too much. Like I said before she hadn't been having her excersize but I wasn't even trying her work her hard. She did it herself after playing with the balls. You got her from a breeder right? Yeah, sort of. I can explain all that. Did you see the Sire & Dam? Yes. The dam is this pull bred crap dog, but is only around 40lbs all though her sire is 75lbs and 1/2 brother somewhere under 60lbs. Do you know if there's any HD in her pedigree? No can't say that I do. But a good possibility. Maybe on the bottom side. Just hope its only a muscle pull. I'm sure even a Pit Bull can experience severe muscle pull.. I was thinking about it and after a day of lunges when I haven't done them in awhile and then squats really kills me. I get out of bed and can hardly walk, then when I finally can I walk like I'm crippled. Stiff legged like her. I think she is mostly favoring the right leg. She walks funny on it. IP: Logged |
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ignergehl Member Posts: 174 |
posted 12-26-2003 07:06 PM
You mentioned a springpole,pits frequently injure their backs using the pole and many owners (including myself), no longer use them. Well if she had a bowel movement then thats not it,good thing too cause that can be really bad. It's true that it could just be a muscle pull, if it recurs, then you should worry. IP: Logged |
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chickee Member Posts: 150 |
posted 12-26-2003 09:31 PM
ah-oh. You know what it sounds like to me? ACL. Short of a tore cruiate ligament. It is really quite common in dogs. It has happened to one of my dogs and it has happened to many dogs that I know. Your dog could have very easily jumped off the porch and landed wrong without you even knowing. Mine happened to be jumping up in her kennel. I didn't realize what was wrong with her for the longest time, but did aLOT of research. At 1st I thought she had pulled a muscle, but after a few month, she still used her 'back' leg to a very minimum. Climbing stairs or doing much running was very, VERY limited. While standing, she would have her bad leg just barely touching the ground and out to the side, so as not to put any weight on it. It is very hard to see this through x-rays. My vet had her on the floor and pulled on the leg....(I really can't describe it, but I do know that some vets do NOT diagnose it properly. I went in to my vet and told her what it was so I didn't have to go through all that crap. They need surgery to correct this. Believe it or not, some people do NOT get surgery, which I could never understand. Who would want their dog to go through the rest of their lives as a semi-cripple in pain?? My girl was not even 1 year old at the time! Anyway, it is expensive at over $600 and they will most likely develop arthritis later in their life. If this is what it is, which I think it is, be thankful it isn't HD. That is something you can't fix. Besides, I don't think HD would just "SUDDENLY" happen out of no where.. Here is a link to just one of many articles you can look up on Google: Just tell your vet you want your dog checked for ACL first, or you will be paying out of your, 'you know what' while the vet figures out what they think is wrong.. Trust me. [This message has been edited by chickee (edited 12-26-2003).] IP: Logged |
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chickee Member Posts: 150 |
posted 12-26-2003 09:50 PM
I'm almost certain this is what happened to your dog. Just remember, tell the vet you believe she has ACL (torn her cruiate ligament). They do not xray for this. They can tell by pulling the muscle (or whatever). Your dog has the classic symtoms. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-26-2003 11:46 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone!!! When she woke up this morning she was in a horrible state!! She couldn't walk and when she stood up she then couldn't lay back down like she was paralyzed. Just stuck in one position. I thought for sure she was sick and was going to begin treatment and see if she improved over the weekend. But she choked/caughed and I thought I should at least take her in just in case its something really bad. So against my better judgement I called our vet here in town (the one i hate) and made an appointment. I wanted one quickly as she was acting so bad. They said the earliest they could see her was 3:00 and I said ok then they say but you can just bring her in tomorrow sometime. I'm like I said I'd take the 3:00 they are just really stupid if it could wait until tomorrow I wouldn't have even called the vet. Okay maybe I really don't like them nothing against vets personally but they are not GOD when it comes to med care, most are screw balls. So I take her in and THANK GOD its the man and not his wife. Her fav. thing to do is the guessing game. First you guess some then run EVERY test and then guess some more. So he is thinking its an infection and said we could do xrays to see but I could just go ahead and give her the meds, since thats what they would do even if they took the xrays and she had pneumonia (sp?) so he said to just start the meds and save $54. Which I did but man I should have just started her on treatment and save over $100 the vet charged. The only reason I went in is because I thought she might have bad fluid on her lungs and it may need to be drawn off, so better safe then sorry. She had a real high fever, good thing I give her the pain reliever yesterday, and she was in bad shape. Well she was in a "good" shape considering how bad off she really is. Must be the bulldog in her. She was acting like her old self at the vet but there is a lot of stimulation cats, dogs birds, a rabbit so of course she's gonna act normal...lol ignergehl-I've never had a dog injure themselves with one yet. They love it a lot and its one of their fav. toys. I have heard of dogs being injured but thats usually through improper use. Many people find it cool that their dog is swinging above the ground. The springpole I still believe is a good thing, all four of the dogs feet need to be on the ground to prevent injury and also tone the muscles. She didn't have the symptoms of ACL. I wish that were only it. You could really tell she hurt all over. The only other thing if it wasn't an infection would be a slipped disk, that can make almost anydog feel like breaking down and hurt everywhere. I can't beleive the difference from yesterday when it seemed her hind in was out of whack and now today like her whole body. "some vets do NOT diagnose it properly" IP: Logged |
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SaraL New Member  Posts: 5 |
posted 12-27-2003 09:50 AM
Keep us updated... THis is my first visit on this board and this thread got me wondering...I REALLY want to know how it turns out!!! IP: Logged |
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chickee Member Posts: 150 |
posted 12-27-2003 11:23 AM
Well i'm glad for you and your dog it wasn't ACL. I didn't know (or forgot reading) that she had some kind of temperature and was aching all over. But for anyone else reading this, it could prove to be helpful as you and I well know, not many people know what this is, and some vets will 'pretend' to try to find the fault when they already know what it is, since the symtoms are so similar to other injuries. Good luck ------------------ IP: Logged |
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GoodboysBaddogs Member Posts: 409 |
posted 12-27-2003 02:38 PM
and some vets will 'pretend' to try to find the fault when they already know what it is
It's a business world, so i understand where their coming from... BUT, they could only play ring-around-the-roise if you don't have a clue & go in blind I'm DEFINATLY NOT taliking about all, not even the majority, but theirs enough out their that aren't doing right. Being a "good" veterinarian is very close to, if not being a genius. And that's A LOT of knowledge... More than a lifetime, i'd say. I think the majority of those vets & specialists don't cheat the world, simply because they know they can help cure it. [This message has been edited by GoodboysBaddogs (edited 12-27-2003).] IP: Logged |
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the_maine_pitbull Member Posts: 320 |
posted 12-27-2003 02:53 PM
True Pits-- Money might be hard but get your dog to the vet and have them run blood tests. My dog, Timber, done this and within three days was put down due to kidney failure. It started of that he didn't want to go for his walk, seemed like he was still half asleep or just being lazy but he would try to make effort. Then he seemed a little better, then the day after that he just laid around and seemed to not be able to lift his hind end at all. When he did he would slide his butt back down then his front. He walked like his knees wouldn't bend, very stiff walking. Then the next night he laid there and would howl and cry in pain for no reason and just sleep and lay around alot. The next morning we brought him in to the vet and they wanted to keep him there, he ate and drank fine, but it got to the pointthat he would just sit up and poop, he couldn't seem to hold himself up much. When we borught him in they wanted to keep him there and the vet is two hours (one way) so we went home and when I got home there was a message, I had to give permission to put him down because he was having kidney failure and they think he only hung on as long as he did because he was doing it for me. GET YOUR DOG TO THE VET!! Stop guessing and hoping and praying, just take the dog so you know and if the dog is suffering you need to end the pain and agony. I am in tears after reading your dogs symptoms becau eit sounds so much like little Timby's-- I am praying for you! Angie IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-27-2003 06:39 PM
Maine- Thanks for your concern I only take my dogs to the vet when I have to. This has been the 2nd time I've taken a dog. Most things vets do you I can do myself. Money isnt' the issue. I don't like how our vet in town overcharges when they are on the low scale for knowledge and care. Money isn't a problem here. I'm not trying to be rude but maybe if you read my post you would see she was at the vet. I think everyone else understood that. "I called our vet here in town (the one i hate) and made an appointment. I wanted one quickly as she was acting so bad. They said the earliest they could see her was 3:00" Her liver, kidneys and all that are FINE, they did the bloodwork for $68. Not too bad of a price though. She did have a HIGH blood cell count but that is expected with infection. Like I said I'm glad the MAN was their and not his wife. The only thing I can think of related to kidneys is if she doesn't stay hydrated enough and they have to work over time. She stopped drinking water lastnite. "GET YOUR DOG TO THE VET!! Stop guessing and hoping and praying" Like it said in the post SHE HAS ALREADY BEEN. What his wife would have done was would have been guessing, thats what most vets around here do. We have real bad vets here and other problems, like puppy mills and neglect, we've have animal problems in general around here. Sorry to here about your dog Timber. Goodboysbaddogs I know its pretty much the same as being a doctor, you have to run test or look at a couple different diagnosis and come up with the right one. Even after he diagnosed her with the infection, he asked when she had last been in heat because it could possibly have an infection in her uterus. But she was in heat months ago and she is have RESPIRTORY problems, but yeah he still had to look into it. On the other hand the guys wife is a blood sucking, milker out for $$, either she REALLY DOESN'T know what she is doing or knows exactly but wants you to do every test there is even unrelated for the $$. Thats why I'm always straight up with her and I know it upsets her but I'm not getting scammed. She doesn't even like the job so maybe she shouldn't be a vet [This message has been edited by True_Pits (edited 12-27-2003).] IP: Logged |
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ignergehl Member Posts: 174 |
posted 12-27-2003 09:05 PM
As a tech I can say that it is true what you all are saying about vets...The head vet and owner of the office where I work is a big-game hunter and a pig and is only in it for the money. One of the other two vets is a hothead that beats on the operating table and cusses, and tells people 'oh don't worry' when they have a sick animal, only to have it die, at which point he acts as though 'this has never happened' and so on...you wouldn't beleive some of the crap that goes on behind the scenes.. We had a really good vet who seemed to really know his stuff, but he recently left as he couldn't stand the place. It is very possible for ones dog to sicken and die while the doctors are running down a different path of what they think the problem is...if you have a bad feeling about the place trust your instincts.Alot of these guys could care less about your dog..seriously! IP: Logged |
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GoodboysBaddogs Member Posts: 409 |
posted 12-27-2003 10:19 PM
Hi Angie, How's your doggies??? Sorry about your dog Timber. IP: Logged |
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the_maine_pitbull Member Posts: 320 |
posted 12-28-2003 01:47 PM
Hey Goodboy- How are ya doing? The holidays really had me all tied up. Plus I got my own message board now too- Things here are pretty good otherwise. Saige got hit by a car the other day but never got hurt, thank goodness. Anyhow- I am somewht in a hurry just wanted to say hello. Angie Saige n Jekkyl IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-29-2003 06:12 PM
Here is an update for anyone who wants to know. My dog is doing very well now. She is acting back to normal. I felt so bad I couldn't take her on a walk today. I'm sure she wondered why she couldn't come. She started drinking water some today. She had stopped drinking friday night. She still won't drink to much at a time but she was hydrated lastnite and I had only been giving her the same amount of water so I knew she was getting better. She still has to take her antibiotics until thurs. and go back fri. I had to give her food with her water or she wouldn't drink it and injected it when I needed to. Well anyway she is doing better and I hope she keeps it up. She can walk again, and doens't have stiff legs. IP: Logged |
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chickee Member Posts: 150 |
posted 12-29-2003 07:48 PM
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-29-2003 11:25 PM
chickee I'll be ordering a "best ball" sometime soon. I can't wiat to see how the dogs love them. IP: Logged |
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