posted 12-17-2003 02:58 PM         

Then when bred to a black ELI female had NO red noses. Some blacks and some brindles. Brindle is a recessive trait however. This male bred to another female who was ELI and black had 2 red noses and 4 black noses.
Boudreaux' Dogs are ELI dogs. I have a red nose from this litter if I breed him to another red nose they will only red nosed pups even if she is an ELI dog. He is homozygous recessive so placed with another homozygous recessive they both only have the recessive genes to give.

There is a pattern or a basis on which he throughs if you can figure it out. I think it was on the "offspring size" thread in which I mentioned I am breeding my female to a 50lbs CW male and I expect larger dogs from this in the 45-50lbs range. This is the male I've been discussing on this thread also. To go into some detail she is a red and white dog with a black nose.
She comes from prodominently brindle and black dogs and some reds. The male also comes from brindles, black and reds. He throughs black, red, whites and only seems to through brindle dogs a few times when bred to a certain bitch. A repeat breeding done with him yielded brindles
thats because the female had the brindle traits, but other females don't. There were also red with rednoses and blacks in both litters and white or white dogs with patches. When he throughs reds they always have red noses. He can produce a red with a black nose?? Only because he carries
the red nose trait recessivly and the coat color red is ONLY expressed when he is bred to another dog with the recessive red nose so then the red dog comes out with a red nose of course since he is a heterozygous dominant dog. I that may not be 100% for all dogs but he has black or brindles unless they are red nosed that is the only time they are red. Coat and nose color are connected to a digree. Okay back to the current breeding, I predict that she will be one of the fenales who produces brindles with him because she comes from brindle dogs.
Her sire has thrown brindles also and he is a red brindle. The female in which the repeat breeding was done was a red brindle and they threw brindles. There will probably be a couple blacks and a few reds too.

As for what Angie said before about a red nose being bred to a black nose and having more black noses this is also true. I wasn't disagreeing completly just stating that it isn't always true. You still have to look at the genetics of the parents. You can't simply say black nose is dominant so more pups will have the black nose. I have a brindle female out of a red nose sire and a brindle female. In this litter only 1 dog was red nose, the other 8 were black noses. 1 was brindle & 1 red. The remaining 6 were seal.
There is an obvious reason for these being almost all black nosed opposing to the other Black Male bred to the rednose female yielding 6 rednoses and 4 black noses.
The reason being the brindle dam in this case is bred down from a line of brindle dogs and there are some blacks back there. She has a small amount of OFRN blood
so she did produce one red nose from the recessive traits she carried. The rest is brindle/Black and is Eli/Alligator/Hammonds blood. She has brindle siblings and a red
sister with a black nose if I remember right. So in this case the female carried the black nose traits. The seal color is a product of intermiediate dominance I believe.
The dogs may appear black at first glance but then the red (recessive) color can be seen underneath in the sunlight. Its rather weird. In some of the pups red brindling
can be seen in the sunlight on their legs. The other female who was bred to the black nose and produced more rednoses sire (who was the blacknose in this case) has a lot
of red noses in his line so he has more of the recessive red nose than the brindle female. The brindle being from darker colored dogs with only a small portion of red noses.

posted 12-17-2003 10:21 PM         

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He throughs black, red, whites and only seems to through brindle dogs a few times when bred to a certain bitch.

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When he throughs reds they always have red noses. He can produce a red with a black nose??

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posted 12-18-2003 01:41 PM         

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I know it is possible for a dog to produce the red nose with the black nose like the brindle female who produced the seal dogs and then two reds. 1 red nose and 1 black. I'm assuming she had the genes for red coat color and then of course has the red nose gene also. He on the other hand I believe has the red nose gene which has the red coat connected because red nose dogs have red nose coats.

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posted 12-19-2003 03:34 PM         

The pure white male he produced had pink skin and pink eye rims. I don't think I've even seen a pigmented one either.

posted 12-19-2003 05:04 PM         

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She is has black stripes over her light fawn coat which I haven't seen before.

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posted 12-20-2003 08:02 PM         

I like tha black and tans with the brindling. I've seen a few of thoughs. You know whats weird is how some of the seal dogs have seal brindling on their hind quarters and back legs. You can see it in the sun light.

Just goes to show what type of idiots own these dogs or dogs in general. I can't believe the stupidity of some people. That is sad though and putting the poor dog up for stud. I found a few of her today and I'll scan those also.