posted 12-13-2003 06:24 PM         

Freedon posted some on the Meka thread. I do agree it was partially right, but I've had experiences that were otherwise and know that the ancestery plays a role and not just the dogs themselves.

The bitch I'm thinking of taking my 45-6lbs male to is about 36-7lbs. She is a real solid dog and has grown to be bigger than I thought she would but I'm sure that she has to be under 40lbs chain weight. As far as her top side they are just your average size dogs and I won't concentrate on that too much. Her bottom side is what I'll be looking at. The bitch's dam is a half sister to my dog's grand dams. They are all 3 out of a female who was 55lbs chain weight. Which is one of the reasons his sire is so big. the grand-dam is only 45lbs (grand-sire 40lbs) but my dogs sire is 50lbs when he isn’t so fat. On top of the bitch's dam being out of the 55lbs female she is out of a near 60lbs male. That is why I've been really pondering it. I don't mind if a few of them turn out to be 50lbs I guess, but I would rather have my dogs under 45lbs. I won't know if the ones I keep will be larger or average until they are older. It may not be the most important thing to think about when breeding but its something I've been considering and its a possibility. Especially since they are not just down from a 55lbs female its the same 55lbs female and in the bitch bred to a large male. That 55lbs female appears 3xs in my dogs 1st 3 gens.
The bitch's dam (40lbs) was bred to a dog that was large in appearance but probably about 45lbs, but has the looks of my male's sire and they are related, ½ bros actually (same dam, the one out of the 55lbs female). In that litter the offspring were between 40-60lbs!! Then when the bitch's dam was recently bred to a 50lbs CW male the pups are under a year and already in the 40-50lbs. The bitches dam is only 40lbs but again her sire=60 and the dam=55. So its all coming together. There is a good chance for larger dogs sense this is a line breeding. Like I said before my sire is BIG but parents were average, he also has a sister who is a monster. Especially with the female being in my dogs 1st 3 gens 3xws. Once on top as my sire's grand dam (3rdgen) and 2xs on bottom through a son to mother breeding appearing in the 2nd and 3rd gen. I'll have to wait and see how they turn out. The male is 46lbs cw and the female 37lbs cw I would say, but they may still produce bigger dogs together. I'm still hoping to get them 45lbs and under.

I don't mind having the bigger dogs, just hope no monster pop out. Its just a toss up. I'm currently doing a breeding with a 40+lbs female to a 50lbs CW male and I'm sure there will be some bigger ones in that litter but thats expected. There won't be any over 50lbs I wouldn't think and some probably won't be that big at all. The female is out of a 50 CW sire and 40 female. This male is the same one that produced the pups who are under a year but between 40-50lbs.

posted 12-14-2003 02:31 PM         

"The bitch's dam (40lbs) was bred to a dog that was about 45lbs, but has the looks of my male's sire and is his ½ bros actually (same dam, the one out of the 55lbs female). In that litter the offspring were between 40-60lbs!! Then when the bitch's dam was recently bred to a 50lbs CW male the pups are under a year and already in the 40-50lbs."