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posted 12-09-2003 06:55 PM         

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I in no way intent to start a heated arguement over this topic. I simply created this thread to enlightent a few people about the common misconception of high priced dogs. Or should I say over priced. A lot of people believe an expensive dog will be taken care of because it cost so much. This isn't always true. The large, misconformed, bred for size and color dogs are becoming a huge fad and they are being overbred and overpriced because people will pay to have the most exotic or cool "onject" to boost their ego and image. Part of the fad is becoming to actually a pay a very large amount of money for the dog, so the individual can boast about the cost of the dog.

In a qoute by HOPS "NOBODY IS FORCED TO BUY THESE DOGS.AND I APPRECIATE PEOPLE SELLING THERE DOGS FOR $1000 TO $5000.KEEPS THEM OUT OF EVERY BODYS HANDS.NOBODY GOING TO A DOG THEY SPENT $5000 OUTSIDE ON THE CHAIN,OR IN A RUN IN THERE ON POOP.ALL DAY LONG."

Selling a dog doesn't keep them out of the wrong peoples hands. Say irresponsible, neglectful and abusive hands. This is my strong feeling and I know it to be a fact because I have seen it first hand. One major thing is INCOME TAX, everyone is familiar with income tax and believe it or not some people use it to buy a dog that they have no intentions of taking care of.
This little story is the truth about this guy and I'm not sure where he got the money from the first time, but he bought a UKC registered, blue fawn, Pit Bull for $1500. He would leave the dog outside, he did have a fenced in yard, but the dog always excaped. It wasn't aggressive to dogs or people but would still jump on kids and scare people. So he had animal control called on him and even paid fines but still didnt confine his dog. The dog was picked up and he didn't go into claim it (within 5 days) so it was put down. Which he did get screwed but I don't feel sorry because he was irresponsible. He got screwed because the dog was a pit. If it isn't claimed in 5 days it either detroyed, the only way it can be adopted out is if someone from out of town comes in to adopt it. Which is BS. So you have to life outside city limits or another town and 5 days isn't a long time. Okay anyway back on topic. Now this is the crazy part, he was upset, upset because his dumb dog got out again and killed and now he just wasted a good $1500. Soon I suppose he will be happy again, because he has a girlfriend who is buying him a new dog with her income tax. This time a female because he said dogs are good money and he can breed his own. That way he never has to worry about buying another dog and will always have extra money. Those are his words not mine.
He's not the only one. With the income tax idea my neighbor has had pits for awhile. They are just inexpensive, backyard bred dogs. But now when the income tax comes about $2000 is going to buy either a "good looking pit" red nose with a big head/chest or a recent idea they had was buying a Canary Dog or something along those lines because they are rare and can sell for more, because they want to breed their dog. They have always been interested in breeding but thank god they haven't turned their dogs into breeding machines....yet. Did have an accidental though. One of the dogs went to the same whack job type person. They are Pit mixes but he swears his is the baddest and just needs a big, huge, muscular male to breed her to and get some bad pups. Which he's already planning on selling as pure. And been looking for papers to hang them with. I only met/talked to him once when they introduced me to the guy but he is a loon and knows nothing about breeding. He wanted to buy a male pup of mine, even with the high price tag, but that wasn't happening!!
The time when my mom's aunt's St Bernard was hit by a car. The dog she payed $3000 for and was so proud of. The dog wasn't really that great and had aggression problems. She never did anything with him but show him off. Lived in almost the country to let him run loose, their are dangers in the country, even being hit by car. Let alone not really being out there, just having some land around your place. I can't really say she was too heartbroke over the matter. Her pocket book was I assume but then again she always seemed to have money and replaced him soon after.
There are lots of people buying over priced dogs and not taking care of them. It seems a lot of people value money but at the same time waste it. A good friend of my mom came into some money. Not a lot but a couple grand I believe. They went and wasted it. bought the biggest TV they could and VHS/DVD combo. That may not sound all that bad. They get some money and buy a luxery they could normally not afford. Well it lasted less than a month. Her son damaged the screen some, kids do that I guess, but then her husband totally detroyed it in one of his rages. There is their $2000 down the drain. On top of that they are in debt and close to having there care repossesed when they got the money. Instead of paying off bills or saving their car (which gets them to work) they basically wasted it. Not sayin its WRONG to spend on things you want if you get a chunk of money but use your common sense. Had they wanted one of those over priced dogs thats what they would have spent on it and I'm sure it would have ended up as their other dogs. Dumped off, pregnent, and physically abused by the husband. Most kids these days are the same way, of course they are spending their parents money and wasting it. Loosing/breaking expensive objects because they can always get another. Even when they become adults their spending habits will be the same, they'll waste the money to get a better, sprortier care then their neighbor, or a bigger, badder dog that can make them look cool and intimidate people, ect.
Some of the most expensive dogs I know sit on a chain, most of the yards are cleaned regulary, but not all of the ones I have seen. So yeah maybe they step in their poop, thats just the personal way the person keeps their kennel. I prefer mine feces free and to promote the cleaniest outdoor environment possible. The people with some of these dogs actually purchased the dogs from $4,000 to even $8,000, they sit out on chains unless they are being bred or something like that. The difference is the dog is bred, the pups are kept for themselves and others they trust with the dogs. Some of the pups are sold. Now these were highpriced, expensive dogs but NOT overpriced because the dog is worth it. There is a difference and even if the price is the same $2,000. The difference is the BREEDER. Having high price pups doesn't mean the dogs are quality, or worth that amount and are going to be in good hands. The breeder could just be a peddler, selling expensive poorly bred dogs to anyone with the money. Then there are the breeders who put their all into the dogs and sell their dogs to the RIGHT kind of homes at the same price you get a quality dog that is worth yout $2,000. These breeders screen homes/buyers while the others just take the cash and move to the next costumer. They only care about the buck. One of their most used comments is your just jealous because I can sell my dogs for $1500. Some of these people don't know the person they are talking to. How do they know what the other breeder can sell their for, or has sold theirs for? Its all a money game to them. Well breeding isn't about selling pups for high prices. Its to breed for your line to have feature dog to continue your line of dogs that should represent the breed and have a correct temperment and health. Even when/if the other breeder sells an expensive dog its to a good home, and its occasionally not every puppy in there several litters. Thats just my opinion and some of my personal experience although I know more people who have paid a good price just didn't care for the dogs.

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posted 12-09-2003 07:54 PM         

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Well said!!

I am in Australia, and we have the same problem with dogs. I want to see a ruling come in where the price to register a entire dog/bitch with the council is well above the desexing cost per year etc $250/year and desexed cost $20/year. Hopefully, that will encourage more to desex, resulting in less backyard litters and less at the pound. Also more responsible breeding, etc mandatory health testing for ANKC registered breeders. DNA testing with the breeders details so if the dog does wind up in the pound and the owner is uncontactable the breeder is then required to rehome the dog. The amount of dogs in pounds over here is disgusting and the designer dogs are taking over for the latest fashion at a high price well above the price for papered purebreds.

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posted 12-09-2003 08:07 PM         

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Good post. People are naive to think that a big price tag on a dog will keep it from being neglected or dumped off somewhere when it becomes an inconvenience. Of course, I suppose if it makes them feel good, and they can find people who want to pay out inflated prices, then more power to them.

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posted 12-09-2003 08:17 PM         

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I am in Australia, and we have the same problem with dogs. I want to see a ruling come in where the price to register a entire dog/bitch with the council is well above the desexing cost per year etc $250/year and desexed cost $20/year.

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It's a good idea in theory, but you would run into the same snags as in trying to enforce BSL... many people who shouldn't be breeding dogs anyway don't care to follow the laws, so they would just take their breeding operations underground and continue to pump out pups. Meanwhile, many responsible breeders might be driven out of breeding due to even more costs (high registration fees on top of health testing, showing/working, and aquiring quality dogs), which could very well put the breed in the hole.

In addition, (now, your situation over there may be entirely different) here in the US, animal control doesn't even have the funds/manpower in some areas to enforce leash laws, licensing laws, and respond to vicious dog calls as it is. Unless governments suddenly decide to give them a huge increase in funds, there's no way they'd be able to enforce a breeding law like that.

Also, considering that most people charge between $500 and $1000 a pup, with some above, some below, the penalty/registration fee for intact dogs/breedings would have to be much higher then $250, most would make that back with one pup.

If I thought something like that would work, I'd be all for it, but I don't think it would right now, and don't see changes being made so it would anytime in the near future.

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posted 12-10-2003 01:04 PM         

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I should have clarified it a little better. Members of the CCC's over here wouldn't be charged the higher rate for undesexed dogs as they would be registered breeders.
Funny, the council make a huge effort at telling us they cannot afford the manpower to enforce laws yet since the BSL came into affect it is reported over 10 000 dogs have been identified and put to sleep. They seemed to have found the money to go around and find all the "pitbulls". Each year the councils around here do a yearly door to door registration check. They also monitor the newspapers for selling of restricted dogs. This could incorporate checking of litters being sold. But they do seem to be just interested in getting the "pitbulls"
The biggest problem over here is the unregulated breeding, both general public and registered breeders. No health testing for most breeds, and no real enforcement of code of ethics.

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posted 12-10-2003 02:49 PM         

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It does sound like that kind of law would work better over there. Here, very few places require that breeders register, and even then, I don't think a lot of them enforce the requirement. Some places that have BSL enforce it only when something drives them to... an attack or a complaint, that kind of thing, so I can't see a complicated breeding law working out given the current state of things here.

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