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Meka Member  Posts: 114 |
posted 12-09-2003 09:27 AM
 
Ok, so I just went & picked up this new pup. The guy was giving him away in the newspaper, & I didn't want him to fall into the wrong hands (fighters etc...). The guy swears up & down this pup is a purebred Pit. Says that the father is a solid white 65 lb Jeep, & the mother is a 53 lb black brindle Jeep/Rascal. Here's the thing..... My Mason Hog, (Diesel), has thick course hair. My Mason Hog/Eli, (Mischief & Rogue), have thin soft hair. This new pup, (Hemi), who is supposedly Jeep/Rascal, has thick soft hair. Do different bloodlines have different hair types? It doesn't really matter. I just got him as a pet, I'm not going to breed him, but I suspect he has Lab in him...... Any info would be appreciated. Thank you. IP: Logged |
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neek Member Posts: 291 |
posted 12-09-2003 01:50 PM
Pure APBT pups have soft hair but as the mature they should have short, coarse hair, stiff to the touch, I'm not sure if they should have glossy coats or not, all my pits had matte hair (not much shine) Anybody would think I'm talking about lipstick!! LOL IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-09-2003 05:07 PM
I looked at the pics of him and I would say he does look like he is possibly mixed. Looks like a lady I knew who had Pit that had pups w/ a collie/shepherd. They had soft thick coats like that. I'm not saying the guy is lying but its a very likely possiblity. You should b able to tell once he is older. 65lbs JEEP dog?!?! 53lb bitch those are some BIG pit bulls. How many solid white Jeep dogs have u seen? i don't know if i would beleive the guy. Maybe he doesn't know that it may not be pure though if he didnt breed it. So cant really fualt him. Someone who breed game dogs wouldn't be looking for a free to good home type dog and doesn't want a huge dog of that size. Its extremely hard to find dogs over 50lbs to test and definatly match into to and even a 50lbs dog is scarce when it comes to game dogs. Sometimes you get abnormally large freaks but I've never seen a real litter of jeep dogs that big. I seen only one freak in a litter of 35-40lbs dogs.. Then i seen a honeybunch/rascal that wz 85lbs and supposedly pure. Then they come up with that selective breeding for size crap when the parents are 40lbs and the entire litter is between 80-100lbs!! PAPER HUNG. I do understand the selective size breeding, but it doesnt just pop up in one litter, its just that selectivly bred over generations. Guess thats another topic, sorry I got off course. It really doesn't matter since he is a pet. Hope he is a good dog and brings you much joys. IP: Logged |
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PitNest Member Posts: 26 |
posted 12-09-2003 06:06 PM
My male has short black coarse hair while our female is a white pit with short soft hair. They are both full blood registered pits so I'm assuming that this can differ from dog to dog. Trae IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 12-09-2003 07:58 PM
Thanks to all of you who looked at the pics & replied to my message! Neek, he has a short coat, but it's really soft. I think it may be because it's cold & winter here....I've seen alot of black Pits with glossy coats. My others are red & white. They have matte coats. Lipstick. lol TruePits, I've NEVER seen a white Jeep.... Not once. But, the guy swears up & down that he knows his "stuff". Can't say that I do believe that though. As far as the size....my Mason Hog is close to 100 lbs & HUGE! His father was 90 lbs with like a 25 inch head, (I've seen him, he's not your average Pit), the mother was like 60lbs. Not sure of her blood lines. She was poisoned along with most of the litter that my male came from. (He was just weined when the mother died). Anyway, doesn't Mason Hog normally produces larger than average Pits? Having said that, I don't know alot about Jeep or Rascal bloodlines. Also don't know alot about Eli, (My girls are Mason Hog/Eli).It's a good possibility the guy was lying to me. People will do ANYTHING to get rid of a dog. I basically got him so no fighters would get their hands on him. The guy was selling him really cheap, (but ended up giving him to me). He made a point of telling me his blood lines, & how "game bred" the pup is. Any fighter would have jumped at that! Trae, thank you. I'm noticing a world of difference in all of their coats. My male is the father to the 2 female pups, & their coats are so different in texture etc... Really wierd! IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 12-09-2003 08:23 PM
Hey. His hair isn't thick like a Lab, or shepherd, or anything. It's just a little thicker than my others.... It's not long either, it's very short. It may be his winter coat. My other male, (Diesel), has gotten his winter coat. It's a lot thicker than normal as well, but it's coarse & stiff. Not soft at all. My girls still have a thin soft coat, but they are starting to get winter coats. It's getting a little thicker, but it is still soft too. Yes, he's just a pet, so it doesn't matter. I would just like to know if this guy was honest with me or not.... He said he knew the guy that he got the pup from.... ,(that could be a lie too). Also said he paid $200 without papers, etc....Oh well! He's a good pup, & he, along with the other 5 dogs, my 3 cats, my fiancee & our son, bring me much happiness! That's all that matters I suppose! lol Thanks to everyone who had some info for me. It is really helpful, & really nice to find someone willing to help out.... TruePits, I'd like to talk to you somemore about blood lines some times. Sounds like you really know your stuff! Thanks. IP: Logged |
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PitNest Member Posts: 26 |
posted 12-09-2003 10:30 PM
Well either way good luck with your dog!!! [This message has been edited by PitNest (edited 12-09-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 12-10-2003 09:12 AM
Thank you! IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-10-2003 03:32 PM
Meka, Yes, Mason Hog dogs generally run bigger. Your dogs parents were large so thats explainable. Its just funny when someone has 100lbs dogs that are supposedly out of 35 & 40lbs parents, down from a line of small dogs. Then suddenly they get giant dogs. i didn't mean his hair was long or really thick. These pups had thick short hair. Some had thinner hair like the mom and looked almost pure. So its hard to tell. You could be right though it may just be a winter coat comming in thick. Its hard to tell on pups. Some of these dogs in the litter i mentioned could have been passed off as pure. Its sometimes easier to tell when they are older. Lots of black do have a glossy coat. They shine and shine, makes them appear to have a real healthy coat. IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 12-10-2003 04:07 PM
TruePits, thank you so much! You have been a great help to me! I'd like to tell you a little more about my dogs. Hope that's ok! lol Ok, Diesel is mainly Mason Hog, but he has a small amount of Redboy/Jeep. His "girlfriend" if you will, before I got him, was Mason Hog/Eli with a touch of Redboy. She was 50-55 lbs. Gorgeous girl by the way! The pups are more Mason Hog than anything, but they have Eli/Redboy/Jeep in them. Small amounts of each. A tiny amount of Redboy/Jeep. The new guy, Hemi is mainly Jeep/Rascal, but the guy did mention that he had a little Snooty in him. I'd never heard of Snooty, so I guess that's why I failed to mention that to you! Sorry! Anyway, his father was supposedly the 65 lb solid white Jeep. (I really don't believe that part). The mother was the 53 lb brindle Jeep/Rascal with a little Snooty. Their coats are really strange though. I didn't know there were so many differnt types of coats on a Pit! lol Diesel's is thick, short, & course. The mother to the pups, (Baby), has a short, thick, coat.It's not really course, but it's kindof rough I guess..... Rogue & Mischief have thin, short, soft coats. Hemi has a thick, short, soft coat. Just weird! I took another couple of pics of him today (he's about 12 weeks old, the guy said). He looks alot different compared to the 6 week old pic you saw. I also posted a pic of Diesel's dad. Check out the new pics if you want..... www.picturetrail.com/mekaspits Hemi is really the only one I was having doubts as to whether he is purebred. The more I look at him & watch him though, the more I am thinking he is either purebred, or has mostly Pit in him. He's a cute guy anyway. They are all sweet hearts! It doesn't matter if he's purebred or not. I just love showing my babies off & comparing differences in Pits. It's amazing how they can look so different etc..... Pits just amaze & interest me in general. They're awesome dogs! Thanks again.....Hey, I'd like to see pics of your babies. Do you have any that you could post, or e-mail to me? IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-10-2003 08:09 PM
With the new pics I think he does look pure. I really like that Diesel dog. Rascal is an ELI dog. Double bred Eli Jr 2xw. Black Shine X Orphan Annie II 2xw. Black Shine is from a bro/sis breeding between Eli 2xw X Brendy. Jeep is Eli/Carver on bottom. RedBoy is from Old Neblett/Colby blood, Jeep's sire Bo=Loposay-Colby blood. Eli/Snooty is one of the best crosses. CH Chinaman ROM is a great example of this. As well as Fat Bill's dogs with his Rascal/Snooty bred dogs. Snooty is a carver bred dog, double bred Carver's Miss Spike ROM. Down from Tudor blood. Carver's Ironhead's Grand sire is Blind Billy 1xw, 1xl I believe. Eli is bred off Blind Billy. http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=3059590&uid=1597348 [This message has been edited by True_Pits (edited 12-10-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 12-10-2003 08:31 PM
TruePits, thanks a million for all of your help. I'm sure I've bugged you to death! lol The link was for your babies? They are absolutely gorgeous! Thank you for the compliments on Diesel. IMO he is quite a beautiful boy. I think he'd look better with his ears cropped, but he's too old to have it done. He certainly is a sweetheart. He's never met a stranger! He thinks he's a lap dog, unfortunatley, he's so big, I can't let him sit on my lap! lol He doesn't understand that. Thanks again for all of your time & patients. You really do have some beautiful dogs. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-11-2003 03:08 PM
Meka, yes those are some of my dogs. Thanks for the compliments on them. I really need to upload some more pics. Guess I'll do that eventually....lol Its always a decision for me on ears. Some dogs I really like their ears natural others have to go. And on some oocassion I think they have great ears then they up and change on me....lol Diesel looks really great though. Can't believe I forgot to mention the girls. They are real cuties. The pic of mischeif when she's a pup with Diesel reminds me of one of my males as a pups and his "twin" sister. She is just the cutest, makes me miss him as a pup. Have you shown them in any conformation events? I guess you got Diesel after he was bred? He was bred pretty young. I'm always glad to help others in anyway possible. Unless of course they are just being a smart....well you know what. I've run into some real stuck up jerks, think they know everything, but ask smart questions. Which is really sad because their dogs and the breed in general will only be the victim of their ignorance and irresponsibility. It looks like your dogs are happy together and all get along. Thats a real accomplishment for Pit Bulls. Sometimes hard to curb their instincts. Ok I need to stop rambling. IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 12-11-2003 04:58 PM
Hey TruePits. I agree with the "ear thing". I like Diesel's ears though. They don't lay flat, but they don't stand straight up either. Mischief is a SWEETHEART! Just like her dad! Both are identical as far as temperaments. They are both submissive around humans, & will lay on their backs & show their tummy's if they've done something wrong! They do know when to stand up for themselves though! lol Not an aggressive bone in their bodies, unless challenged by a strange dog.... Rogue is a good pup too. She's not quite as submissive, but she's not at all aggressive either. She's less dog aggressive than Diesel or Mishcief. As far as Hemi goes.... he's not the least bit submissive...EVER. He'll fight if provoked, he's very stubborn, he's more hyper than any of my other dogs, & he's a little crazy at times!We're working on house training, & if he potty's in the floor, & I try to grab him, so I can pick him up & put him out, boy, he'll bite!! We have a TON of work to do with him, but I feel like he's going to be a very good dog eventually. lol After getting to know him a little more, & watching him, I feel like he's been mistreated. He's also been very poorly socialized. I think he was probably kept in a crate most of the time, with no attention, because the previous owner didn't have time for him. I haven't shown any of them in conformation events. Don't know how to go about it.... Any advice on that? I don't have papers on any of them, but am going to try to get them registered through APBR a little later on. The girls have docked tails too. Not my doing by the way. I hate docked tails! It hurts the dog's balance. Yes, I got Diesel after he'd been bred. It was an accident. They didn't know Baby was in heat! She's AKC registered though. Diesel wasn't. He was bred at 1 yr. old, so yes, he was pretty young. He's a great dad though! He takes up for the girls, & he'll try to break up their little "spats" if they are playing & end up getting a little to rough. He's an awesome dog! I appreciate all of the help. You won't have to worry about me being a smart ***. That rarely happens, & only if I have a very good reason! I'm glad all of our babies get along too. There's the occasional "spat" with the girls, like I said, but it's because they start playing & get too rough. I always stop them before they can get into a fight. Even though they get along now, I know I'm going to have to separate them more, as they grow. I keep them crated & separated now if I can't supervise them. I love them all too much to have a fight or fatality..... IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-11-2003 07:57 PM
You are a good Pit owner. I wish there were more like you!!! You know how to handle/train and care for your dogs. It makes me so mad the type of people I run into and the people trying to get me to breed to their dogs. Buying the dogs for the wrong reason, ect. If none of them have papers then you could still participate at ADBA fun shows. Those are great. I don't know much about APBR. I've never used a registry like that. Do they host shows or pulls? The dam to Mischief & Rogue was an Am. Staff???? They don't look half staff to me. IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 12-11-2003 08:12 PM
TruePits, I try my best to be a good Pit owner! Owning Pits is a responsibility, as well as a privelage. Am Staff? Where did that come from? Sorry, I'm confused...OH! Sorry, Baby isn't AKC. She's ADBA, (I think that's it). Is that what had you confused? I was talking to my mother on the phone, when I was replying to this. She wants a Husky, & I was trying to read registration, & a pedigree to her.... Guess I messed up! lol I'm a blonde, (seriously). Just over look me when I'm like this! lol Sorry about that. IP: Logged |
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Meka Member Posts: 114 |
posted 12-11-2003 08:29 PM
lol I really am a blonde. I had to read back over what I had written to see what I had said about an Am Staff. It didn't take long to spot it! lol Didn't mean to write that! I guess that will teach me to reply to a message while I'm talking on the phone about something totally different, won't it? That was embarrassing! lol My appologies again TruePits. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-11-2003 08:37 PM
Ok yeah she was probably ADBA then. I had to read through that last message and the past mesage to make sure I didn't misread or something. IP: Logged |
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