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benny boy Member  Posts: 392 |
posted 11-25-2003 01:04 PM
 
i know lots of you guys think that if a dog is "vicious" it should be put down. i say that's murder! you're going to kill a dog just bc the little guy "snaps" at you everytime you go to pet it. or bc he "viciously" barks and lunges at strangers. then you might as well sentence people to death when ever they get in a fist fight. no i have to say that murder is not the answer. i feel that we as a country need to embrace our vicious dogs! not murder them! we need to think about what else we could do with gods tempermental creatures besides execute them. for example i came up with the idea of putting them on a strict "diet" of water, and then simply do some "selective relocation", drop them off in the middle of iraq. im sure that the little iraqies will feed them good  . and lord knows that our troops could use the help. i served 3 years at fort hood, and got out right as my unit was departing for iraq. i got news today that three of my close friends have been killed in the line of duty, one of their bodies was beat with a cinder block after he had been mortally shot in the chest, so i think that it's time that we as a nation pull the gloves off, and have our troops do what they have to, to get home. i don't think it's that far fetched ( ). it wasn't uncommon to see dogs in wars long ago, look at the movie gladiator. IP: Logged |
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neek Member Posts: 291 |
posted 11-25-2003 01:15 PM
Sorry to hear about your friends, Bennyboy. That must have been awful. Its an interesting idea to send vicious dogs to the war in Iraq, it would probably help too. Sadly it would give even more people negative fuel to feed the fire of eliminating pitbulls. If people around the world watch footage of vivious dogs attacking Iraqies it would be an all-out war against pitbulls and I'm afraid that would do more damage than good.  IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 11-25-2003 01:24 PM
yeah i know, i didn't mean just pit bulls. i meant any mean dog.i feel that any dog should be able to serve there country IP: Logged |
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Ahkahna Member Posts: 93 |
posted 11-25-2003 01:39 PM
Unfortunately, I have to disagree. You put this in a pitbull forum so you're going to get some flak from pitbull enthusiasts. If a pitbull bites, (unless they are honestly protecting you from someone attacking you or a loved one) theys hould be culled. That's how the breed got their temperment was from culling the biters. I do NOT want a dog that snaps or bites people, especially children. You say it's like murdering someone for getting into a fist fight. That's not it. Many many dog bites lead to more than just one bite. A snap maybe, but most bites end up being more than one time. The people constantly getting into fist fights should go to jail for causing public disruption or harming another human being. If this is the case, a dog should go to jail, which would be the pound. But who wants a dog that bites? There are guard dogs for good purposes, and guard dogs for BAD purposes. Do you seriously want the BAD purposes?? If your dog is lunging at people to bite them, it needs to go. That dog is unsafe and should be put down or kept away from people IF it's not trainable. There's a reasonable amount of time in the age of puppydom where they need to learn NOT to bite, and that it's bad. Of course if the owner doesn't train the puppy, it's the owners fault. And yes, an animal that at one time could have been a non biter is now a biter. As I said, I don't want a dog around, small, big, medium, large, pitbull, chuahuah (sp?), poodle, lab, etc. that is or has been known to bite. It makes me horribly uncomfortable and I feel just as unsafe as if I were walking around savannah at night. In my opinion, getting jumped by someone who's meaning to kill me and being jumped by a dog that's meaning to attack me is just the same. If this pertains to pits. Any pit that bites should be killed. That's the way it's awlays been and I feel that's the way it should always be. I may not have made myself clear on this, I'm sorry if I didn't. Puppies bite, but it is normally trained out of them. Abused animals may bite or snap, most of the time this cannot be removed and can cause some serious problems. also, whether you meant it or not, I do NOT appreciate any racist meanings behind this post. This is what I saw and this is not something I am smiling about in the least. [This message has been edited by Ahkahna (edited 11-25-2003).] IP: Logged |
RottyMommy Moderator Posts: 480 |
posted 11-25-2003 05:45 PM
I have to toatally disagree with Akhana. The problem in this country is that it is becoming to the point that any dog with issues is being put down. 99% of the time there is a reason that a dog is biting or being aggressive and 99% of the time it can be worked out through behavior modification. The problem is people arent willing to work with a dog they have issues with. I rescued a rottweiler that resource guards and on occasion has bitten under other situations. I am not irresponsible by keeping my dog. She has improved tremendously since we have gotten her. She was fear aggressive towards other dogs when we first got her and would bite if another dog came near her including my own. I know what to keep an eye on when it comes to watching for signs of her getting stressed. Daisy came from a guy that raised her from a puppy let her get away with everything, didnt train her, then when he couldnt handle her anymore he dumped her. A lady that runs a great dane rescue took her in. She lived with her for almost a year. But she was attacked by the danes on numerous occasions. The last time it happened was when she put her up for adoption but she knew she couldnt go to just any home. I fell in love with her despite her issues and brought her home. We know the signs and as long as its not late at night or real early in the morning, or she isnt guarding anything she is fine. She loves strangers and thinks everyone on this earth was put there to give her attention. But she has bitten us. Usually because she was guarding something and rob took it from her. But I would never put her down. Contrary to what people seem to believe on this site. Rottweilers were not bred to bite people. They were bred to herd, guard wagons, and pull wagons. The same as with pit bulls a rottweiler that bites people is not good as with any breed. But I dont belive in puttin a dog down just because it bites. Granted there are the few exceptions where behavior modification doesnt work. But most of the time if owners would work on the dog they have instead of just giving up and putting the dog down the dog can over come whatever the issues is. I know a couple who had a german shephard that had bitten them numerous times even once to the point that one of them ended up in the hospital. Strangers couldnt come near that dog. They hired a behaviorist who is also my behaviorist who specailizes in aggressive dogs and now strangers can come up to that dog and he is fine with his owners and no longer bites. But it took alot of time and alot of determination which is something people arent willing to do anymore. I also rescued a golden retriever who was the most aggressive dog I had ever seen. It was aggressive towards men, children, and other animals. I was the dogs last chance to live. Every shelter and rescue in the area said to put the dog down. But I had to try. I ended up coming in contact with a lady who had goldens for years and recently lost her last golden. She offered to take him on a foster basis to see how things would work out. She was not married, had no children, and had no other pets. She called me 2 weeks later and said she was keeping him. The dog is wonderful now with the help of the right training and love. Most dogs with behavior issues and aggressive issues can be worked out it is just to the point now that people think dogs are disposable. Oh my dog isnt perfect, my dog has issues, I dont want to deal with this anymore, Im puttin him down!! I hear it all too many times as a rescuer it sickens me. You are supposed to get a dog for life. If your dog ends up with issues people need to work with their dogs and not give up because the dog bit you. Because most of the time when a dog bites there is a reason that can be fixable. But people just dont care anymore. They think pets are disposable. ANd with the hectic lifestyle of this country now. Dogs are the last thing people want to deal with. People dont realize that dogs take as much work as kids. You dont go killing your kids when they act up. It shouldnt be any different with a dog. But once again too many pet owners out there anymore think pets are disposable!! IP: Logged |
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RottyMommy Moderator Posts: 480 |
posted 11-25-2003 05:47 PM
OH PS I dont agree with Benny Boy's post either. Starving our pets do death is definitely not the answer either. And taking them to a country that cant even feed themselves is not the answer either. IP: Logged |
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Ahkahna Member Posts: 93 |
posted 11-25-2003 07:24 PM
Thats what I was saying RottMommy. If there are reasons that cannot be dealt with then they should be put down. I wasn't saying condem all the damned dogs. good lord. IP: Logged |
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PitNest Member Posts: 26 |
posted 11-25-2003 08:21 PM
I don't mean to be "that guy" but I noticed a few smiley faces in Benny's post. I understand he's obviously frusterated with whats happened, but I really think that the Iraq comment etc. were stated pretty light heartedly... I believe we're taking this a bit too seriously. Pretty much meaning that Benny Im sorry to hear that but If Im taking your post right Im guessing your idea for starving dogs and sending them over was more of a joke than anything. Trae [This message has been edited by PitNest (edited 11-25-2003).] IP: Logged |
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MaydaysMom Member Posts: 260 |
posted 11-26-2003 01:00 AM
Im sorry to hear about your friends Benny Boy. It must be so fustrating for you. IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 11-26-2003 07:54 AM
Ahkahna you have slightly angered me first of all i read your post and it's like you didn't get that i said send them to iraq, even though i said it in jest. from what you were saying it's like you thought i just wanted them to run around here. i said send them to iraq bc 1. it's not here and 2. our soldiers are hendered by the rules of war that are not being followed by iraq. im sorry that some of you guys took my post a little more seriously than i had intended. so i'm going to clear some things up, i don't really want to starve dogs(by saying dogs i mean all dogs) and ship them over seas, i don't want a dog that bites either. my post was a joke. i'm sorry that you flipped out over it Ahkahna LOL, i think you really didn't completely understand what i was saying, and whats wrong with smiling ? i re-read my original post and didn't see anything i thought was racist, maybe i just missed it. i'm not anywhere near racist. i have friends of all different races and religons (except for devil worshipers and wickas). i don't appriciate you making that statement, thats like me saying you aren't supporting our troops, or that you are involved with the al queda . i know how the breed got it's temperment. but dogs aren't culled today like they used to be. so we are seeing more and more man biters. i think that vicious dogs should be culled as well, if you had read my posts on other threads you would know that. once again my post was a joke, i was sarcasticly trying to make a point by saying that dogs wouldn't fight according to the geneva convention (rules of war), which is how we are being fought by iraq, i know it doesn't matter to you bc things that go on over there don't directly affect you, you probably don't know any of those poeple getting shot at in the sand, so to you it dosen't exist. you get to sit in your little dorm room and draw your dragons(which are incredible ) and play D&D or whatever it is that you do. i realize that you live in a fantasy world, and don't see the global issues for what they are. maybe when suicide bombings start happening on our soil you'll be forced to see the sad reality, but thanks for giving me the laugh that i needed. i know that not everyone supports the war in iraq but i think that it's important that we support our troops. i'm going to take this to the general topics forum, bc it's not really pit related anymore, and a moderater might lock it. i'm sorry if people are offended by what i've said, but if they are then oh well, get over it. peace out![This message has been edited by benny boy (edited 11-26-2003).] IP: Logged |
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neek Member Posts: 291 |
posted 11-26-2003 01:44 PM
Hear, hear!!!!!  IP: Logged |
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ignergehl Member Posts: 174 |
posted 11-29-2003 11:40 AM
There are too many good pits being destroyed because their owners were tired of them,where are the mile-long threads about that?The original pit men will hands down say that a proven man-aggressive pitbull does not fit the standard and is a danger to the innocent,and that it must be culled.I am talking here about the dog that was raised in a normal environment,with socialization and no abuse,that becomes mean anyway.Ive known HUNDREDS of fighting dogs in the past,incidentally, that were also gentle housepets,so there is NO excuse for it in a non-fighting dog. I put down my own dog because my child and my neighbors children had the right to live without the possibility that this dog may one day decide to attack one and not let go.If that had happened it would have made front-page news and further eroded the reputation of the breed,not to mention landing my butt in jail. Not all of these dogs can be rehabilitated,and they are NOT humans that can just sit in a cell for the rest of their days.(They destroy murderous humans too,by the way). Keeping a mean pit bull (or any other breed),alive because you think you are doing it a favor is wrong. IP: Logged |
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