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Deus
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posted 11-22-2003 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deus     Edit/Delete Message
Any body here ever herd of this outstanding cross between APBT and the Bullmastiff?

A buddy of mine has one but is refusing to tell me where he got it (some buddy rite) he knows he now has one up on me.

See for the last 2 years my 70 lb. APBT would literally run circles around his 110 lb. Rott in both Ob & Personal Protection Work, Agility was a given

Now he comes up with this Pitt-Bullmastiff pup 8 months that is probably the best looking animal I’ve ever seen.

The pup has the drive and tenacity of the Pitt and the brute force of the Bullmastiff all rolled up into one dog. This pup is clearly going to get all the attention at the next PSA (Protection Sport Assoc.) Trials

Needles to say I am green with envy!


So if anyone has info on this I would appreciate the heads up.

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GoodboysBaddogs
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posted 11-22-2003 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
hey Deus,

I think this has been happening often for quite some time now. I believe that's how some people are getting these over-sized "Pitbulls". That's how these large-skulls, big-boned, overly-massive-muscled Pits are coming about. I mean as the breeds "standard", a Pit should only max out at a weight of 60, possibly 70 pounds.
I think especially w/ the red-nose Pits, some people are cross-breeding. Pitbull X Dogue de Bordeaux. The Bordeaux, having the largest skull size in the domestic canine world, and it's main color of red, help "disguise" the look of a cross-bred.
I've seen some of these in ABA weight pulling competitions, and some actually do well. Also out in public too.
I also agree w/ like some people here have mentioned, that when a drastic cross-breeding like this happens, should'nt it be called/named something else?!? A MASPIT... LOL! It's NOT right. I think it's ruining the Pitbull breed even more. It has enough confusion w/ the so-called Staffordshire breeds, and so on.

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GoodboysBaddogs
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posted 11-22-2003 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
Although, i personally think that "look" is awesome!! But, a lot of Pitbull owners would hate me for saying that i'm sure....

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ignergehl
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posted 11-22-2003 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ignergehl     Edit/Delete Message
Im with you,Baddogs,I really like the look too,even though it technically is not an 'American pit bull terrier'.Or is it?nearly every modern dog breed in existence has been created by infusing the blood of different breeds.It is done to acheive the wanted physique or function,and most of these breeds has had something 'thrown in' to refresh or even change the look.
If pits are being fought less and less,and used for other less gory sports,or for show,or for just being a lapdog,then the look is bound to change.Weight pulling and hunting pitbulls benifit from being larger and thicker than the gladiating dogs.
Fighting dogs were not bred for looks and some of them were quite small(35-45 lbs).They were often homely,but looks werent the moneymaker.
The money now is in what the public wants,and what it wants is the massive,showy looking dog,in the vivid reds and blues.I remember seeing the occasional pit from many years ago having a big head like that,or being abnormally large.(I had one myself).I have always felt that the new look was from the intensive breeding of individuals like that.
Most of these 'bigheads' are registered dogs and I would think that bullmastiff would show in the pedigree somewhere,(provided it hadnt been forged),or that they couldnt have been registered at all.
most likely it is that SOME are purebred,and SOME are mixed with another breed.
Occasionally a breed standard gets changed,like with the chihuahua,who standard now includes the excessivly tiny tea-cup dog,with the bulgy 'apple head'.These look alot different that the chihuahua of the past.
Im thinking though that this big-headed dog should called a new breed because there is still a large percentage of pitbulls still mirroring the standard,and that always will be.It is just an off-shoot breed, like staffy bulls,yankee terriers,and bull terriers.and should probably be considered as such.

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GoodboysBaddogs
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posted 11-22-2003 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, i think that would be a good way of labeling them. What about Hybrid? When people use that term, what exactly does it mean? Does it mean 2 of it's same kind, making 1 "Hybrid"?

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goob
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posted 11-22-2003 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
A hybrid is a cross between two different species... like mules, donkey x horse = mule. A cross between two different breeds is not a hybrid, as both are still of the same species, dog. That's why the myth of "hybrid vigor" in crossbreeds is often proven to be false... unlike true hybrids, which usually have different sets of health problems, individual to their respective species, all dogs share pretty much the same disease base... many breeds can have HD, many breeds can have thyroid issues, many breeds can share similar or identical disease possibilities. So there is plenty of chance for bad genes to get doubled up on and create problems.

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benny boy
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posted 11-24-2003 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
so are wolf hybrids really hybrids? oh and also have y'all ever heard of the bengal cat. i think it would qualify as a hybrid too. it is a house cat that has been crossed with a small wild asain leapard cat, creating a larger cat with a leopard pattern. pretty crazy stuff!! here's the site: http://www.bengal-cats.org/index.htm
i like the the pit X mastiffs, but i think that it is ruining the breed. i think thats what the black brindle that i used to have was,he was huge with a huge head, he looked like an apbt except his face was a little more wrinkley and his jowels(sp?) were a little longer. i got him from a byb when i was younger and stupid, so no he didn't have papers,and when he grew up and weighed 95-105 lbs. i knew somthing wasn't right. he had a tendency to be human aggressive. he never bit anyone. he was just very, sometimes overly, protective of my family and our house(that was then i lived with my folks), if he knew you he was your best bud. he'de watch us play football in the front yard through the living room window and had no problem with us(me or my brother) getting tackled. but then one time i was in the living room watching tv and my little brother was in the front yard, and this group of kids came along and started picking on him, well one of the kids pushed my brother, and hurricane(my dog) flipped out. he jumped THROUGH the window to get the kids. they saw that and jumped in the back of the pick up they were in and took off, it was the craziest thing i've ever seen. they're lucky my parents house isn't close to the road or they would've really been screwed. i forget how many stitches he had to get, but the vet knew him and liked him alot, and he didn't even have to be restrained. he just sat there calmly gettting sewed up. he was really a great dog. like lassie on steriods!!! he wil alway hold a special place in my heart, i've never owned a dog that has touched me like that. he literally was a member of the family. he was a very 'needy' dog. i don't know if it's because i got him when he was 5 weeks old or if it's because i stayed with him the whole time the vets office was open when he got parvo. but reguardless he went everywhere with me. i mean everywhere, if he couldn't come in he'de wait in the car. people loved him at parties, never had a problem. he was a very smart dog. i'll try and post a pic of him when i can(don't have a scanner). so yeah i think that the pit mastiff crosses are good dogs, the owner just needs to know that they won't be just like a pit. also i have a question. what exactly is a bann dog(sp?)?

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goob
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posted 11-24-2003 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
I'm pretty sure both those would be hybrids... though I could be wrong because I also thought true hybrids were usually sterile, and both of the crosses you mentioned can reproduce (right?).

A bandog is a mix between a bull breed dog and a mastiff breed dog, used to get dogs with the tenacity of the APBT, guarding/protection ability of the mastiff, and usually a combination of the mastiff's larger size and the APBT's agilty and endurance. While most of them are still in the first few generations, there are some lines that appear to be starting to breed true, and the breeders do seem to be trying to establish type, at least as far as working abilities go. They are not a dog for novice dog owners, but unfortunately BYBs are starting to become aware of them and they're becoming a new cash cow. Of course, in a cross like that, you can get the ideal cross, a large, athletic, stable dog that will still throw down when it comes to protection.... or you can get the worst of both breeds, a freaky shy, unstable man-biter, dog aggressive, large lump of skin and ugly attitude.

I think it is kind of interesting that they would cross an APBT and Bullmastiff, it should be interesting to see how the pups turn out. BM's are largely show dogs now, and it's hard to find a healthy working BM. Also, most bullmastiff fanciers will tell you that they will generally not bite an intruder, but knock them to the ground and hold them there. Couple that with the APBT's general good will towards people, and I'm not sure the result would be a great PP or sport dog, though I know things sometimes don't work out the way you would think, given two individual dogs. I have seen pictures of some dogs of this cross, and most seem to be nice dogs, sound with good drive and working ability, so maybe it's not as unlikely as it seems to me

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True_Pits
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posted 11-24-2003 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for True_Pits     Edit/Delete Message
"outstanding cross"

I would hardly call it that. There is nothing outstanding about it. When you mix a pit with a cur it takes away from the breed.

"The pup has the drive and tenacity of the Pitt and the brute force of the Bullmastiff"

PIT (with one T) not only have tenacity, drive, stamina and endurance they also have BRUTE FORCE more than any bull mastiff. Most of those are being bred basically for looks and not working ability. Many are quite lazy and fart a lot...lol at least the ones I met sorry I just had to add that.

I bet you should be able to find some in the paper sooner or later, thats where most of the Backyard Breeders advertise. I see them a few times a year Pit/B-Mastiff, Pit/Boxer & B-Matiff/Boxer. Maybe you could put an add out for one and then they could contact you.

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neek
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posted 11-24-2003 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neek     Edit/Delete Message
Why people want to cross-breed a dog is beyond me. Don't you think with all the publicity against pitbulls that mixing them with other "bull" breeds is a NO NO. Any dog attacks on people would be directly blamed on the pitbull and hence more bad publicity. If people left the breeding of pitbulls to the registered breeders, there would be no more "mongrel" dogs roaming the streets to get into mischief because personally I don't know anyone that lets their "pure" pitbulls run around causing havoc as they are valuable to their owners and they don't want attention drawn to their dogs. Bad owners on the other hand let their dogs do what they like, mainly because their "sick" pitbull/mastiff/bull terrier/bulldog mix is not the dog that they hoped for and thats when they are "dumped"! It makes me soo MAD!!

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benny boy
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posted 11-25-2003 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
i partially agree with you neek. however i think that there are plenty of 'pure' bred apbt's running around, along with the mixes that you mentioned. not everyone who owns a 'pure' bred apbt is a good person, or treats their dogs in a humane way. i think that people who abuse, neglect, or abandon a mixed breed dog would most certainly do it to any 'pure' bred once they'de had enough of it. i also think that the people who truely love and care for their 'pure' bred apbt would love any pit mix. i'm speaking for myself on this part, i'm not going to sit here and tell you that i love every dog, with me it's about personality. as long as the dog has some sort of attitude or personality, i'll love it reguarless of it's bloodline. however i have to say that's why i like the apbt's so much because they are so much fun, i feel the same about our boston terrier too. they have the exact same personality (i say he's my miniture apbt). anyways before i started rambling the point i was trying to make was that the people who don't love, or abuse, a mixed breed because it is infact a mixed breed should not own a dog period, and i say that because they just want the dog for it's name or reputation. more like a 'conversation piece' as someone said in a seperate thread. thats just me though.

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benny boy
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posted 11-25-2003 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
oh and yes the wolf hybrids and bengal cats can reproduce

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