posted 11-11-2003 08:23 AM         

oh yes and yes I am an animal rights activist, however I am an activest AGAINST the breed bans. I wrote an entire paper on the subject of pits and breed bans, you kno wwhat? I received the highest mark in the class on this paper. it is something I feel strongly about(obviously if I wrote a whole paper on it)

posted 11-11-2003 09:53 AM         

"ANY dog will still try to go at the other when in fight mode. by any dog I mean ANY and ALL breeds. even a lab or golden will be trying to get back in a fight when in fight mode. ever heard of "fight and flight"?"

does this mean that a lab or a golden is as game as a pit, or could be if properly trained and abused that is? and yes i have heard of fight OR flight, i think that has to do with a persons split second reaction inwhich they decide how to handle a confrontation, never heard it applied to dogs though, not saying you are wrong just haven't heard it before

"well fight is a mode in which the dog is frighted and fights because they dont know what else to do, this is what on eof my border collies is, she is "aggressive" she is so frightend that she fights, but she does not enjoy"

please tell me you're not comparing you're border collie to a pit. fighting dogs are not fear biters!! this means they don't bite or snap when scared, if they do they're currs!! has you're border collie ever biten someone?

"happy is a very special dog that I can call away from fight mode with my voice. that is very rare,"

WOW!!! special dog for a special owner!!! if little timmy was stuck in a well would lassy, i mean happy go get help?

"you can easily train a dog to use fight mose indtead of flight, which is what I did not happy by accident(trainers were saying all this junk like hitting her, and yelling at her, and pinning her to the ground, she used to be flight"

you didn't tell us how?? and are these the same people that "tie them by the neck and throw them down the stairs"? so she used to be "flight" but now she is "fight"?....after you took her to the "trainers"? i'm confused

"and as for the betta? well I have one. but anyway they fight over females, so not trained, its instinct to win and get the girl, as in any animal, however one thing people do in a fight to provoke attcks is that they will fight 2 intact males"

LOL!!, well then why does the male betta kill the female after they mate, do you just write things that you think sound good?

"oh yes and yes I am an animal rights activist, however I am an activest AGAINST the breed bans. I wrote an entire paper on the subject of pits and breed bans, you kno wwhat? I received the highest mark in the class on this paper. it is something I feel strongly about(obviously if I wrote a whole paper on it)"

thats swell!! who wrote it for you? with "friends" like you who needs enemies?

"also yes I am over 15"

right...

pit bulls like to fight, they have been bred for over 200 years to enjoy, and be good at fighting. for you to say that they don't you might as well say other dogs must be trained to preform the function they have been bred to do, that is incorrect. it is INSTINCT!!!
what do you not understand? until you can accept that concept you will have no understanding of this breed....
casey- and how do you "know" what "pitts" (spelled pits) in "ILLEGAL" fights are like? let me guess you watched it on t.v.? you've been spoon fed by a media who wants to see our dogs banned from the earth...please open your eyes!

posted 11-11-2003 11:04 AM         

I have never in my life seen anyone so stubborn and reluctant to actually LISTEN to people who know what they are talking about.

Casey and Cali, why are you here? Why are you bothering people who KNOW every nook and cranny about this breed? The longer you stay in here the more ignorant you look.

And for gods sakes, SPELL PIT WITH ONE "T".

posted 11-11-2003 12:56 PM         

People that do everything you said except lop their ears (as I think that is legally done at the vets) are just plain animal cruel and there is no need to do that to a pitbull for the reason I just said above.

posted 11-11-2003 01:14 PM         

gee ya think?

posted 11-11-2003 03:40 PM         

Characteristics

The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed's natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work.
The American Pit Bull Terrier has always been capable of doing a wide variety of jobs so exaggerations or faults should be penalized in proportion to how much they interfere with the dog's versatility

Now I know I said I was not going to state my point of view, but what the hell. To not reconize the APBT's past is careless and iresonsible. You need to under stand that most APBT's will show signs of dog aggression some time. Does that make them bad dogs, NO. But if you think your pitt(wtf) won't fight go ahead leave them usupervised with another dog, one will get hurt.

And about this pouring gasoline, and hanging a dog from his neck, You think this makes a dog fight, NO. That type of shit is what makes fear biters, and is ruining this breed. Dogmen from the past spoiled there dogs, Best food, good homes ect. They loved there dogs like I love mine and you love yours. There dogs fight because that is what they were selectivly bred to do. They did not bite people because, again that is what they were selectivy bred to do. Do you think you can change 200 years of selective breeding? NO.

Let me make somthing clear I do not condone dog fightig, but I do understand that without it I would not have my best friend that I have today. which brings me to my next point, do you think cropped ears make a dog meen ha, someone should have told justice, my little kissy monster that. Buy the way I had to pay a vet do do that I did'nt use a rusty razor blade or anything. Justice will be hitting some dog shows in about a month or so. And start weight pull training in about 6 months.

ADBA/UKC J.M.O's Out For Justice

posted 11-11-2003 05:05 PM         

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oh yes and yes I am an animal rights activist, however I am an activest AGAINST the breed bans. I wrote an entire paper on the subject of pits and breed bans, you kno wwhat? I received the highest mark in the class on this paper. it is something I feel strongly about(obviously if I wrote a whole paper on it)

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It really doesn't matter what YOU are, because by supporting certain AR groups, you indirectly support the spread of ignorance, and eventually the extinction of the pit bull breeds... PETA, HSUS, the list goes on.

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All im saying is I know what Pitts in ILLEGAL fights are like!!!

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Pitts(Yes it can be spelled with 2 t's)

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And if Pitts like fighting so much then how come handlers have to light them on fire, pour acid and gasoline on them,...and beat them

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posted 11-11-2003 05:47 PM         

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My horse is Jack:
12 yr old sorrel quarter horse stallion!

posted 11-11-2003 07:22 PM         

"Well I do know every nook and cranney about this breed!"
It hard for people to believe you know every nook and cranny of the breed when you don't know they can be naturally dog aggressive. Thats like the people I meet putting their Pits down for killing another dog/animal because they learn through the media's lies that only dogs trained to fight will fight and think their dog has snapped and is a danger to people.

I would agree with one statement DesertAPBT said: "Come on people if you dont want dogs who will fight dont get APBTs I dont get it." He/She isn't saying ALL pits will fight but there is a chance they might, and if not thats fine you have it easy but if they do you need to control it and keep other animals safe, and understand that just because your dog isn't the least bit aggressive doesn't mean it would quit if challenged by another dog. That would be a disater having a beloved bulldog pet killing another dog, bringing more bad press for the dogs and maybe even being put down for just doing what its instincts tell it, it was suppose to do all because the owners don't know its natural for the dog.

"Im just wondering do Pitts(Yes it can be spelled with 2 t's)really like fighting or are they thinking they have to?"

Yes is can be spelled with 2 t's just like Rottweiler can be spelled like ROCKWEILER by those backyard breeders trying to sell dogs online and the flyer I saw selling German SHEPERD pups. I think what people are just making a point, if someone knows about a breed they should be able to spell it correctly. If they dilibratly are mispelling it how are others suppose to not assume that they aren't just ignorant? No one can read mind and know its on purpose.
They generally enjoy fighting. Some are cold and would never fight a day in their lives. Other will fight under the right circumstances and then others only want to fight, thats all they want when they get a glimpse of another dog. I'm sure some know when and when not to fight, because I've met many dogs that won't fight curs even though they are fighting dogs. My own house dog doesn't mess with my cur dog, but when she sees other APBTs she wants to fight really bad and at shows there is nothing you can do to control her. Also she gets along GREAT with puppies. As many fighting dogs do, I saw a picture in a Stratton book if I remember correctly it was of Hammond's Bruno who is a 2 time match winner with a litter of pups and also saw a picture of him playing with another bulldog. The dog man I got one of my dogs from has a dog he can let be with other Pits even though it likes to fight when they time is right and has been tested.

"And if Pitts like fighting so much then how come handlers have to light them on fire, pour acid and gasoline on them, cut their ears, and beat them? Why would they do that?"

They don't have to, I've never done any of those things to my dogs but still they want to fight, and then some don't. Even before I was really into game dogs I had just ordinary, non-gamebred Pit Bulls and some of those turned out dog-aggressive. If they do that they are just cruel and would probably do those types of things if they had another breed just for sick pleasure. Or if their dog wasn't a good guard dog or soiled on the floor. Its just when it happens to a Pit Bull people always say it was used for fighting. Also that would serve NO PURPOSE as far as fighting, they would be scared and probably have a broken spirit. Some people believe a dog is either game or it isn't. Which I think is paritally true, if a dog is a cur no amount of training will make it game or a winner. But if you abuse, beat, starve and pratically kill a dog that may have had a lot of heart you ruin it and it won't want to do anything let alone fight.

"cut their ears" Those are the types of statements that do make you appear discreditable, please try to understand I'm not attacking you personally. BUT ear cropping is AKC standard and maybe UKC I'm not 100% sure on the UKC, but the AKC Pit Bull is known as an American Staffordshire Terrier and they aren't bred for fighting anymore yet they all have their ears cropped. So it has nothing to do with fighting, its just for the look that those dogs did possess for history/cosmetic purposes. These people aren't dog fighters. MOST dogmen DON'T crop their dogs ears, and I'm being honest about that. I probably do have 1/3 of my dogs ears cropped but thats because I like to look at the individual dog and decide whether they should have them cropped I'll be honest I do think some dogs look better with it done even if it is unnecessary, but I also do show my dogs so its slightly important to have a good looking dog all the way around. Cropped ears can sometime make the dog appear more imppresive. Many dogmen don't and could care less about cropping. Then again their are others who just go and do it from the get go, guess I'm in the middle ground.

You also spoke of fight and flight, which I understand and yes I HAVE heard of it in animals before. BUT the APBT isn't like most dogs and the fight or flight is most common in wild animals, although domestic animals have it too. But as I was saying we are talking about a domestic animal specifly bred for combat with its own species. I can understand you interpreting them wanting to get back at eachother because of that (although I don't personally believe it), but here is the real question and maybe I should have asked it before. WHY WOULD TWO 3 MONTH OLD PUPS TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVE TO BRUTALLY FIGHT WIHT ONE ANOTHER? WHY WOULD ONE DO IT A SECOND TIME AND CAN'T BE LET LOOSE AROUND THE OTHER DOGS BECAUSE HE'D HIT ANYONE OF THEM? Just wondering what your take is on that. Because if they have to be trained that wouldn't make since, I never trained him like that and now none of them can be around eachother now that they have all started. He just started the youngest, the others I seperated immediatly after though so I could avoid another fight and since I was about to anyway.
I don't understand why you don't believe that they are naturally want to fight. Because saying that they are don't is like saying you have to train a beagle how to smell and track and that couldn't be further from the truth. We had a beagle mix and he would track anything, just go out in the woods and have fun for the longest time tracking game on his own. Its no doubt ALL dogs have a good sense of smell and may follow a trail they are interested in but you couldn't keep this dog from sniffing/tracking. The same thing with my Shepherd (I know longer own him) but at one point I was interested in useing him for sheep herding/guarding and he had no formal training. He was bred from working lines which I account for the majority of his ability, but anyway he took to those sheep so well and knew what he was doing. It was like magic, imagine what another breed would do for the first time meeting sheep? I wonder? He was also a great NATURAL guard dog and protector. I loved him a lot he was a great dog.

Its instinct for any dog to do what they are bred to do, maybe we shouldn't go so much off bred, maybe off the breeding. Had I had a backyard bred shepherd would he have performed the same? Would he even have a correct temperment with BYB bad tempered dogs? What about a show shepherd? NO probably not, because the breeder has BOTH show and working and she will tell you their is a difference and some people have even tried crossing the two type and end of with "ugly show dogs" as she put it. Same thing applies with Pits, if I get a backyard bred PIT BULL will it have the same stable temperment, will it be game, will he be in excellent health, I doubt it. If i get a show bred will it have a ..all the above... probably WON'T be game may still be aggressive, as the BYBed one might be too, that one might even be PEOPLE aggressive!! What if I get a game bred one? Will it have all the above? Most likely although it is not 100% positive it will be game. It will however probably be more apt to be dog aggressive and fight much more intestly and truly enjoy it since it was bred to do it. Another thing is some people tried to use the shepherd bred from both lines for work they flunked out, didn't do the best with the sheep as the working bred did and did TERRIBLE at protection. It all makes sense, the non-gamebred dogs I have had were either cold or just midly aggressive, the gamebred dogs I have I notice a big difference most of them have started showing aggressive at an incredibly young age, they also REALLY want to fight, when they see another dog they don't bark or growl and act aggressive like a cur they whine and struggle to get the other dog, some of them shriek and scream.

"I wrote an entire paper on the subject of pits and breed bans, you kno wwhat? I received the highest mark in the class on this paper. it is something I feel strongly about(obviously if I wrote a whole paper on it)"

Thats wonderful and I comend you on your efforts to help protect the breed. However that doesn't make you an expert and I'm not going to sit here and tell you I know EVERYTHING either because I learn so much everyday and I try to learn what I can especially from experience and from those around me.
I would also like to say I too have written many, many essays on the breed, in the process of writing 2 books (one is accounts from my life and personal experiences with the dogs, don't know if it will get published and people will read it, but I'm doing it anyway, maybe just be something to pass on to the grand kids.) the second is just a basic book of the breed and also of dog care in general, some people don't have much dog sense. I have written many Pit Bull poems also and I'm looking to maybe have those published in a book with some artwork of my own. I have also written many informative papers on the breed in different aspects and about BSL. I have also written informative/persuasive speaches on the breed too. Why would I do all that if I didn't truly love the breed and have strong feelings. Its hard when you are trying to just be informative and leave out all of your feelings. I am friends with a college professor and he has liked my work well. I decided to take a writing class of his and I also got excellent remarks and socres on all my workd. Which I felt very honored to get. I have him still read stuff and tell me his honest opinion of it. He is very intellegent and verses in so many topics, he has been around for awhile and can tell you about almost anything. He has written a few of his own books ( I never read them) he also used to host an investigation television show. I've seen some of it, he also has showed me some on tape.

posted 11-11-2003 08:14 PM         

Dogs don't fight to the death. How many illegal fights have you been to? Goob wasn't saying you hae never seen a fight, Goob was speaking of illegal fights. If you know this stuff you must have seen them? You must partiipate are be a spectator (which is illegal in most states also).

You don't have to just take my word for it that dogs don't fight to the death, although I'm not lying about it. You can just look at some famous fighting dogs. Let's look at Bullyson should we?
He is a 2xw and a 1xl correct? He is also a ROM dog, correct? He QUIT his 3rd match he didn't loose by death and the other dog certainly didn't quit. He went on to produce fighting Champions and winners, thats how he became ROM. He produced CH Honeybunch ROM, who produced CH Jeep ROM, ever heard of them? You don't really have anything creditable what so ever, if dogs fight to the death then how come some dogs are like 5,6 or even 7 times winners but NOT Grand Champions? The answer is because they LOST match (which did not kill them obviously) then they were matched after and won, but the rules are if you loose a match you can't become a Grand Champ. Doesn't matter if you win 20 more matches you can still only be a Champion 20xw. There are SOME VERY FEW exceptions when a dog has lost a match and then was matched shortly after and was granted the Grand Champion title.
Have you happened to check out the "Are there ways to test your pits gameness" thread. On that thread GOOB posted a link to that horrible conformed LOBO dog and then to a site with correctly conformed dogs. The site features STP'S GRAND CHAMPION BUCK ROM, who defeated GRAND CHAMPION SANDMAN in 3:17mins. Well guess what SANDMAN didn't die, well maybe he did but he wasn't fought to death. The reason he died is because he was given the wrong injection and went into shock and died. Which I will admit is utterly and a waste of a GREAT dog's life. He should have been cared for properly. But these 2 dogs didn't fight to death, Sandman wasn't a cur either he was a game loser Ever heard of that?
Nell's ROM is a 1xl and she is VERY much valued for her gameness although she lost, she showed she had a lot of heart and would have GLADLY died if she wasn't in the hands of a responsible dogman. So she lost the match but she's NOT DEAD??? That just doesn't fit with what you say. I could name many dog that were not fought to death, no doubt their are a lot of dead game dogs, but this is avoided. The only reason they die is because they want to continue, they are not trained and nothing is done to prevent them from quitting or jumping the Pit. Thats not the ONLY reason, the owner should have made better judgement and picked the dog up, yes it would be a LOSER but not dead and its life would be saved. He GAME LOSER if more valuable than an DEAD GAME DOG. You can't sell, breed, match again a dead dog. They may loose a bet if one was even placed, but a dog's life to a dogman is A LOT more valuable to them than money. Let's not make this just about money because a lot of dogmen DON'T sell pups and don't have their dogs at public stud. So they aren't making money off stud fees or peddling pups. They don't sell dogs too often, they would rather give a dog away to good hands than sell one. Lots of fighting dogs are hard to recognize they have minimal to NO scarring, they act just as normal as other pits. Some don't even act aggressive to curs.

Why would you spew all these lies about the breed? And also about dogmen themselves? People breeding conformation dogs are breeding to standards set by dogmen, from game dogs. The ADBA was founded BY DOGMEN. Many, many Dogmen participate in ADBA shows, there are A LOT of them there. Some people don't know dogs are fighting dogs because they look just as good as the others. I know some people personally that I go to shows with but no one else knows because their dogs are fighting dogs their dogs are NOT starbed, scared or scared because of abuse. Have you ever heard of Champion Gambler and Champion Dutchess?? They are ADBA champs as well as pit champs.
You are basically insulting almost all of the ADBA, you are speading lies about its members and judges and the Greenwoods themselves. Ever heard of Greenwood's Oakie ROM he was a 2 time winner and obviously a producer of game dogs. The same with Greenwood's Miss Holladay ROM. Do you even know who Garry Hammonds is? A well respected, intellengent individual and an ADBA judge. Did I forget to mention he is a dogman too? Ever heard of a producer called Hammonds Rufus ROM, or what about Champion Nino, or Bruno the 2 time winner, or Hammonds' Kilroy 2xw, Hammonds' CH D.C. a 4 time winner, Hammonds' Selma & Bruiser both 2 time winners, ect there are more. What about Richard Stratton? He is one of the most recognized Bulldog people and very wel respected. He is also an awesome judge, not that I can't wait to show under Hammonds again. Stratton was involved in the dog game for many years and your accusing him of things he would never do to ANY dog. There are many more but I'm not going to name them all or all of their great fighting and of course nice show dogs.

posted 11-12-2003 07:11 PM         

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I have seen a Pitt fight with another dog many times. My aussie tried to be the dominent one and started a fight with my Pitt MANY times.

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I DO know that Pitts are agressive.

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Im one of them that doesn't understand why the police shoot dog that have bitten people when the person was probably anoying the dog by pulling on their ears or tail!

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And yes in some Pitt fights by ghetto people they do do those things to them. Mine was that question of why would they do that when it doesn't help.

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posted 11-12-2003 07:28 PM         

Im SORRY if I misinterpreted what you were trying to say.

"I'm one of them that doesn't understand why the police shoot dog that have bitten people when the person was probably anoying the dog by pulling on their ears or tail!"

The reason being is that the animal is a danger to people. It doesn't matter if someone pulls a dogs tail it shouldn't attack. Especially NOT a Pit Bull. They are bred to be friendly and loving and have a high pain tolerance. When I was a child I never did pull dogs tails or ears, maybe its the way I was raised but I did drag them by the collar or make them do what I wanted. None of those Pits ever attacked me or even bit me they wagged their tails and enjoyed it. My friends daughter pinches her pits (she is repremanded and is being tought how to interact properly with animals) but when she pets a dog she doesn't do it how an older person would, she doesn't hit the dog hand but its more of a open palmed pat repeatly rather than a rubbing. Her pits love it, even when she was pinching them they didn't seem notice.

You know the thing I don't understand is why they have to shoot people's INNOCENT pets!! The dog could be wagging its tail acting jolly and blam their dead. Its happening more and more oftent. It scares me, what if I'm in a traffic stop and my pitty sticks their head out the window? Will the officer take that as the dog was being vicious and trying to jump out the window and bite him?

"And yes in some Pitt fights by ghetto people they do do those things to them. Mine was that question of why would they do that when it doesn't help."

Yes I do realize they do, but those aren't dogmen they are ghetto people, who are uneducated and cruel. Its not limited to the ghetto or a certain race. Its just cruel people everywhere or people trying to fight dogs to be cool. Those people would do those thing regardless of if they fought dogs, because many, many cases like that happen with all different kinds of breeds. They light dogs on fire for doing anything "wrong" after they have starved and beat them their whole life. I read a story about an older man (had several cruelty charges already) and a younger man killing a Pit Bull with a pick axe and other sort of objects. Except somebody called on them from the building and they got cought. Their excuse was the dog(Pit Bull) had bitten a little girl and had to be put to death. I don't even know if they weren't stupid and just making it up thinking they could get off. If it were true its no wonder with owners like that, I'm sure they abused it and probably made it aggressive. Then it did what they tought it and they took it upon themselves to kill it in a sicking way. The dog was stabbed many, many times and still alive these are sick people. if it were so vicious why wasn't even trying to defend itself from the owner and his friend before it was mortally wounded and unable to stand?
The only answer I can give is because they are sick, demented people. Never taught the value of life or respect for animals. Think about gangsters who do those things to these dogs, they have no respect for themselves or human life why would they for an animal?

posted 11-12-2003 07:29 PM         

cruise this site a little before you clue me as wrong!!!!

posted 11-12-2003 07:38 PM         

I know you said you understand that Pits can be aggressive but when you made this statment thats where it confused me.

"And if Pitts like fighting so much then how come handlers have to light them on fire, pour acid and gasoline on them, cut their ears, and beat them?"

You made it sound as if you didn't believe Pits like to fight and weren't aggressive.
But I was thinking I bet many of those Pits that are in the ghetto DON'T really like it and are not game. I mean they just have a bunch of backyard, scatter bred sometimes mutts. They mix them with guard breds and things and only have curs, so maybe I agree with you about those dogs.

And this one for sure!

"Fighting is not in the breed. People have to teach them to fight aggressively. But ya any dog knows how to fight but you have to teach them to bring a live thing down!"

Like that makes you sound like you don't understand/believe thats why I thought that stuff.

posted 11-12-2003 08:00 PM         

LOL ok I know this isn't a funny matter but I found this ammusing "He probably had some name like Terminator or Vindicator. We just call him Buddy," how do they know his name wasn't Happy (I knew a dog named this), or something common like Buster, or Rover. I have heard pit dogs ranging in names from Happy, Buster, Clover, to Terminator, Shredder, yes and of course Zebo's brother Vindicator 2xw who defeated Jeep's sire Finley's CH Bo ROM 5xw. Which reminds me Greenwood's Oakie ROM 2xw was Zebo's 1/2 brother.

posted 11-12-2003 08:16 PM         

Ahkahna-- what is the address to your link?? I would love to see the pictures that you drew..

posted 11-12-2003 08:42 PM         

How do you know when a young(around 8-12) pup is going to start? You Cant

How do you advise I seperate them? HMMM Kennels

Do you have a method? You seperate the pups and then you wont have a problem!

"Your statement "If you cant seperate pups you sure dont need adults!" Is really irrelevent their is an easy, sure fire way to seperate ADULTS it called a BREAKING STICK!
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Akahana(or whatever it is) I do happen to no A LOT about Pitts. I am an animal activist so I HAVE to know what is going on!!!
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Its Pits!!!! One T Jeez oh an animal activist oh goody!!!

posted 11-12-2003 08:47 PM         

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Casey> "in illegal dog fights, they do that and the dogs fight till death."
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This is crap!!! Get educated. We may not like dog fighting but damn you dont have to lie about it.

posted 11-12-2003 09:43 PM         

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posted 11-12-2003 11:16 PM         

You start crap with me about hunting, then you have a go at Goob, and now your saying Maine is PICKING on you!!

I think people are sick and tired of your BAD ATTITUDE but you keep dragging it on and on!!

Don't mention my name in your pathetic posts as I don't want to read your CRAP!! GET IT!!

posted 11-13-2003 07:41 AM         

oh neek and ignergehl can you guys please bury the hatchet, please. let's work on discussing our differences in a calm tactful manner like maine said, if it is that big of a deal email them.

posted 11-13-2003 09:37 AM         

My website is : www.SummerDragoness.com

Lots of fantasy art, I'm slowly trying to get better ;} 'Dragons' mostly. I'm a huge dragon fanatic (Ahkahna, the gold 'dragon', is a portrayal as to how I view myself). There is a link to my species at the lower left on the main page, "World of Solaris".

Have fun And thanks for your interest !!

And for now, I'm completely ignoring all the crap being flung about on this post. So I'll just go back to doing finals

posted 11-13-2003 10:18 AM         

p.s. haven't yall seen ole' yeller (disney movie)when he gets mauled by the wild hogs. anyways i am an animal rights activist i HAVE to no!!!! lol