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qna unregistered |
posted 10-27-2003 10:14 PM
i own an american staffordshire terrier and am wanting to get some opinions on what the differance is between this breed and a pit bull terrier....besides the obvious registrations being akc...ect. IP: Logged |
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goob Member  Posts: 552 |
posted 10-27-2003 10:40 PM
The AmStaff was derived from the APBT, literally. The AKC refused to register APBTs because of some issues with the name, but in the 1930s, opened their books to "Staffordshire Terriers". Almost all the dogs registered with the AKC as STs were already registered with the UKC as APBTs. As time went on, the two breeds (the Staffordshire Terrier and APBT) grew apart some, and the ST turned into the AST when the english version (the Staffordshire Bull Terrier) was accepted into the AKC, so as to better be able to distinguish between the two breeds. Even today though, there are still dogs registered with AKC as AmStaffs, as well as with UKC as APBTs, dual registered dogs that often do well in both clubs conformation events. The standards are almost exactly the same, except AKC does not allow dogs with excessive white markings or with red noses. On the whole though, AmStaffs are often a bit less athletic than APBTs, and APBTs tend to have a bit more drive. Aside from those few relatively small differences, they are just about the same. Of course, there often IS a big difference between an AmStaff and a performance bred APBT, but there's even a big difference between APBTs from conformation lines and APBTs from performance lines, it really just depends on exactly what type of comparisons you want to make. IP: Logged |
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qna unregistered |
posted 10-28-2003 04:15 PM
Thanks for your repley goob....What exactly do you mean by preformance bred?....and are there no prfomance bred amstaffs?....thanx for your time. IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 10-28-2003 05:17 PM
Performance bred... dogs that are bred specifically to work. They must be healthy, hardy, intelligent, and athletic enough to work, but generally, the breeders/owners don't care what they look like as long as they can do the work. It's function over form, the ugliest dog in the world might be bred if it is a good worker, but a beautiful dog would be passed by if it couldn't do the work it was intended to do. Some examples of performance bred dogs are fighting dogs, catch dogs, weight pulling dogs, you get the idea. The dogs are chosen according to their ability to perform a function, rather than based simply on looks, or on temperament (though temperament is often VERY important in a working dog). There are some performance bred AmStaffs, but they are few and far between. Until recently, the AmStaff was pretty much "just" a show dog, as long as they looked like AmStaffs, they were good enough (there always have been some breeders/owners who looked for working ability too, but not many). Now, some AmStaff breeders/owners are starting to look more into the performance aspect of things, since things like agility, etc have shown up on the "show" circuit. There are still far more performance bred APBTs than AmStaffs though, maybe always will be, it's hard to tell. There are APBT breeders who think like AmStaff breeders used to... as long as the dog LOOKS like an APBT, it's good enough to be one. Many APBT breeders/owners feel though that in order for a dog to be considered a "real" APBT, they have to be able to work, be it fighting, catching pigs, weight pulling, herding, whatever. Here's a link that may help you understand the differences better: http://www.workingpitbull.com/amstaffpit.htm IP: Logged |
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Jnet New Member  Posts: 8 |
posted 10-29-2003 08:33 AM
I now have a dual registered ,AKC AMST, and UKC APBT. In the past I had only had ADBA Pit Bulls. There is a little more weight and heavier chest in the AMST and the look is much more refined. But the line I have are used to show and perform. The line is in Working Pit Bulls. I have found the personality to be the same. The most beautiful Pit Bull and the strong one was a Red-Nose ADBA. He was something! So strong is was frightful. I only wanted one of these dogs, because of the breeder's reputation and really wanted a good temperment, for he was to become a family member and we have other dogs that we rescue........ Goob, you are well informed on this breed and put out some good info. Thanks from all Pit Bull lovers........ ------------------ IP: Logged |
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qna unregistered |
posted 10-29-2003 03:46 PM
Thanx goob you are very much the bully breed expert...what you have said rings true....before i had this amstaff(now 11 mo. old)I had another from a breeder you have described me was a great looking dog great colors muscle tone ect. but after 1 1/2 years he started to show signs of genetic failure his tail grew very crooked and he started to have several seizures and after some checking a few more pups from the same litter had the same problems....the dog later had to be put down....Well after this lesson i did much more research into this dogs breeder and his pedigree and he is indeed a much more healthierand livlier dog...he will be much more of a "hot"dog IP: Logged |
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