posted 10-20-2003 11:10 AM         

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The problem is chief has patches of fur missing and some scarring to his legs.

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Two days ago my boyfriend took him to his mothers where chief proceeded to attack his mum's labrador nearly to death.

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Being dog aggressive does NOT mean that a dog is also human aggressive. There are tens of thousands of pit bulls that are dog aggressive, but not even slightly human aggressive. If he's friendly to people, he's friendly to people. If he's dog aggressive, he's dog aggressive. The two are not "connected", so one will not affect the other.

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people are saying he might have been trained to fight

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The decision of what you do with him is entirely yours, but you should make sure you understand the breed's nature (and what's normal for them or not) before you go making decisions...

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My son has a wonderful Pit Bull. She has been "tested" with other dogs and with the family and with other children and passed every opportunity to show agression.

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Your dog did NOT pass the test.

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posted 10-22-2003 11:37 PM         

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if anything he was trying to protect somebody

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posted 10-22-2003 11:48 PM         

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If u read my comment on the link HOW CAN YOU TELL YOUR PIT IS PREGNANT, you will see what she did to her pups

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her mother was shot in the head by the owner after she was raised around cattle and brought down a fully grown cow and killed it.

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posted 10-23-2003 02:36 PM         

I would have to agree you should know more about Pit Bulls if you are going to own them and being that you have owned them you should have learned some as you went along. I can understand you being worried since you have had an attack in the past, sounds like a socialization issue or just a bad temperment, which can happen. Many people say bad owners make bad dogs, can be true but bad breeders also make bad dogs. The dog could have a temperment problem from poor breeding. Sorry that you did have a dog attack, it must have been a bad experience.

posted 10-24-2003 11:54 AM         

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the main point of dogfighting(in the day)was to make him an expensive stud or bitch

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Im sorry but having a dog put down no matter what the breed because it snarled at a kid that is what I feel is irresponsible.

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posted 10-24-2003 05:53 PM         

[This message has been edited by ignergehl (edited 10-24-2003).]

posted 10-24-2003 07:23 PM         

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have you people never heard of selective breeding for size?

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My dogs sire weighed 65 pounds and the dam 80.For him to have turned out at 125 pounds by itself made him a questionnable specimen

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posted 10-29-2003 11:35 AM         

"GOOD LUCK TO US ALL... ESPECIALLY ME"

... i've said it b4, let me say it again .

posted 10-29-2003 02:34 PM         

Secondly any person who IS educated should know that there are dogs out there that aren't registered with any type of registry being bred for generations by family. I know some very GREAT dogs who aren't registered. Registry doens't mean the dog is worth anything, look at paper hanging and all the bull going around. For some they have turned away from say the ADBA and are now going with the AADR or SDR or Fastlane registry. Registries help keep track of things, ownership, litters, pedigrees, ect. They are very helpful in that sort of thing and I have all mine registered because of that fact.

I don't think GARY HAMMONDS may mean anything to some people on here, to them he is probably considered "scummy low life". I think he is a well respected person and very knowledgable, he is also an all around nice guy and honest indiviudal. He has breed some of the best dogs, and is also a good ADBA judge and profound writer. One I really enjoy showing under. I have a bitch from Hammonds breeding and like her well so far, she is also one very good looking female, conformation judges really like her. You can tell she is from Hammonds line. I really can't wait to read Gary's book "A Half Century with the American Pit Bull Terrier."
Also some of those dogs were on the big side, with the CH Alligator influence, but you must admit most bulldogs don't run that large. Once you get bigger or smaller than the average dog it is hard to find competition.
Guess many people would be considered low life scum here, including the GREENWOODS themselves.

Again Dogs weren't matched to make expensive studs or bitches, and puppy peddling wasn't common back then. You should know this with having your friends who don't sell to the public. Back in that day a pup was hardly ever sold, and just because its a stud doesn't mean the dog is at public stud.
As far as the KING COTTON it does say "Wallaces King Cotton beat a winning dog so convincingly that he remained unchallenged and was retired to stud" It doesn't say he was ever at public stud or that many puppies were sold off him. It wasn't to make money, and he was unchallenged. I have a male prospect off an unchallenged stud right now. He hasn't been retired yet, he was bred a few times and so far so good. When his weight was put out, there were no takers, when specific kennels for certain dogs were called out the owners didn't want to go. Finally they decided nobody was willing to challenge, now he hasn't been retired yet and I'm sure they'll be putting his weight again sometime, BUT he has been bred a couple more times and only 2 pups were sold. So it isn't done to make money, those who are for that purpose are wrong, no matter what type of dogs they are breeding. Matching is done to prove the gamer of 2 dogs, not just like a game test but to test your stuff against the other competition out there.

I went and read the whole of pg 147 , so you know a lot about fighting dogs then, are an expert?
Of course there are signs to watch for."holding dogs" are prefered, a lot of curs will lash out and try to get any hold they can get this is true.
This doesn't mean that they ARE game it is just a good sign your dog being rolled doens't mean it was game, definatly not deeply game. A dog can look REAL well and even preform good a couple times, when quit. If your dog had the upper hand on the other dog then how do you truly know the depth of gameness in your dog at all? There are many examples of dogs that look great and end up quitting in the end. I would have to say hard-biting dogs are a major part of these. Take Fargo for instence. He one 2 matches, he even beat a said unbeatable dog (Sugar Ray's CH Luke sired by the GREAT GR CH ART 7xw), the only thing ever said to be in question with this hard mouthed winning dog was his gameness. Why, because no dog had made him prove he was game, until the end its no surprise he ended up being a 1 x loser in the end.
If you need a more modern example look at Garner's Elmo. He is a very hard-biting stifle dog, he has made prospects and veterans alike stand the line. He won his match in a little over 30 mins by making a 1:45 min 1xw stand the line. He is a great match dog, from a good line I'll give him that, but to me his gameness is still in question, the only thing he has proven is that other dogs weren't so game, and quit after some damage was done. He proved that 1xw wasn't really a deep game dog. He can't be called GAME because he has won before gameness was even a factor. He has never taken any punishment because the other dogs couldn't get an advantage therefor he hasn't proven game. Maybe in the future he will, maybe he will meet another hard-biting wrecker like himself or a truly deep game dog that doesn't quit when the going gets tough but scratches back and doesn't stand the line.

MAIN PITBULL- maybe if you looked over the post again you would see that thier 2 current pits are just WELL LOVED FAMILY MEMBERS along with their other pets. And also that they are a SHE "I have a beatiful 8yr old son and a wonderful man."