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kerry
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posted 10-11-2003 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kerry     Edit/Delete Message
I have a one year and five month pit bull- we plan to breed her come spring. I have talked with many people about when to, how to, etc. So I thought I would put the quest. out there for more helpful info.- so I can do it the best way for my dog. Ex. of quest.- I was told the 3rd. heat is the best one to breed on???? This could be B.S. but this is why I'm leaving this topic open for discusion, to further educate myself (and others) with the FACTS and not the B.S.

Can't wait to hear from some EDUCATED dog goers!!!! THANKS!!!!

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Jas

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posted 10-11-2003 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
Someone had just posted a topic Called "Future Breeder" I believe it was from Oct 9th. If you look back a few days or follow the link http://www.auspet.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000230.html
You will find some EXCELLENT information and links pertaining to breeding.

There is no "best" heat to breed on. There are concerns about age of the b*tch being bred. Too young - too old. Most reputable breeders wait until their dogs have passed the two year mark. Hip registries like OFA will not certify hip tests until the dog is over 24 months old because before then a dog is still growing. If the dog is too old there are health risks (there are risks breeding at any age) but also the longer females are left unspayed there are increased risks for developing cancers etc. I suppose the 3rd heat myth brings a female close to 2 years - so maybe that is what people are refering to.

The links & info from above cover pretty much everything. A reputable breeder will be well informed about:
- Cost of Heath testing their breeding animals (ie.OFA CERF BAER THYROID HEART)
- Time and expense of breeding
- best representative of the breed (showing in conformation)
- mentor to follow under
- care of b*tch pre & post preg.
- Care & feeding of pups
- waitlist of buyers *before* breeding takes place
- contracts
- Vet care, check ups/ vaccination
- registration
- cost of tatoos (pups)
- cost of microchip "
- Someone to be there 24/7 for birth & raising of pups
- Cost of whelping box
- Supplies for birthing
- knowledge of temperament testing & evaluation
- On going support for puppy owners ALWAYS
.......and so much more I don't have time to list

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goob
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posted 10-12-2003 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
The thread Jas linked to has a lot of information on it about breeding pit bulls. In addition to that and what she has posted on this topic, I would like to add that if your dog is not an outstanding speciman of the breed, then there is NO best heat to breed her, as there are MORE than enough "pet" pit bulls in existance already, with and without homes.

To illustrate the overabundance of pit bulls today, I ask you to look at the following links:
Petfinder's listing for American Staffordshire Terriers, most of these dogs are pits and pit mixes, labeled as such by unknowing shelter workers, or in an attempt to get them adopted out faster: http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=1&pet.Breed=American%20Staffordshire%20Terrier&pet.Animal=Dog
There are 1062 dogs listed as AmStaffs alone (Only 450 shown on this link, you can see the whole listing through the link for APBTs).

Then they have 346 "Staffordshire Bull Terriers" listed, most of which are pits and pit mixes, again, for the reasons above. http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=1&pet.Breed=Staffordshire+Bull+Terrier&pet.Animal=Dog&exact=1

Petfinder also has 3026 pit bulls and pit mixes listed... go to the link below and scroll down to "pit bull terrier" to see them. http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=3&type=Dog

PBRC, a listing of pit bulls and similar breeds in need of homes has at least a thousand more listed: http://pbrc.net/dogpages/

One California rescuer stated that after collecting stats from various shelters and animal control groups, they found that nearly 600 pit bulls are euthanized every WEEK in LA and its surrounding areas. that's over 30,000 pit bulls a year that die (just in that one small area) because people insist on breeding their pets.

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the_maine_pitbull
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From:Allagash, Maine USA
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posted 10-12-2003 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the_maine_pitbull     Edit/Delete Message
I whole heartedly agree with Goob-- if your dog is not an outstanding dog of it's breed, then please reconsider this. There are so many in shelters and if you think you are going to make money you are completely wrong. You have to feed them, give them bedding, clean up after them, vet fees, emergency fees if they come up. Then the stress of dealign with it all. It is a major thing-- look into it. PBRC has a lot of breeding facts that are VERY helpful. Just things that can go wrong and to see if you are prepared for these things.
Angie

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neek
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posted 10-19-2003 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neek     Edit/Delete Message
Read the fourth reply of HOW CAN I TELL MY PITT IS PREGNANT!!!

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rgyoung777
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posted 10-20-2003 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgyoung777     Edit/Delete Message
The "best heat"? There's no such thing, especially if your dog hasn't been health-tested and is not an excellent specimen of the breed. As Goo said, there are far too many unwanted pit bulls in this world to add more without seriously thinking about what it takes to be a good breeder.

Have your dog's hips, elbows, and knees screened for problems by sending x-rays to the OFA.
Have your dog's eyes checked by CERF.
Have your vet to a full physical on your dog.
Show your dog in conformation and get at least a CH title.
Do a few performance sports with your dog (weight pull, agility, obedience, flyball) and get titles in at least one activity (preferably more than one).
Have your dog's temperament tested by the ATTS, and take your dog through the AKC's Canine Good Citizen test.
Find an APBT/AST breeder in your area who health tests and has performance titles on his/her dogs. Ask them to give you advice and tips.
After all of that, realize you've only done a small fraction of what is required of someone who wants to be a responsible breeder.

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josh
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posted 10-20-2003 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for josh     Edit/Delete Message
hi, i totally agree with goob;i love pit bulls and have raised four of them over the past few years. even though my dogs were quality dogs i just i didn't think i should bring another pit bull into this world. it's kind of weird that people consider pit bulls to be a common dog breed when the truth is that pure breed pit bulls are near extinction.

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