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Trinity
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posted 04-29-2003 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trinity     Edit/Delete Message
I am new here,and I have a question. My APBT pup was diagnosed with demodex mange. We have been treating her for two months, and we just got another skin scraping done. The vet said she doesn't have any more mites. My question is can she get the mites again from another dog or will she stay mite free forever?
(I would have asked the vet this, but he closed. My mom took her to get it done while I was at work, and she forgot to ask him)

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Freedom
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posted 04-29-2003 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Freedom     Edit/Delete Message
All dogs have mites on them, so she will never be mite free. Demo mange only occurs when the dogs immune system is too low and cannot kill off the mites on its own so the mites take over. Puppies get the demo mite from their mother when nursing. If she had generalized mange then chances are she might have an occurance of demo mange. If she just had localized, then it was probably just a puppy case of demo. Generalized is when the mange covers many ares of the body and does not clear up on its own. As long as you feed her a top quality dog food and she stays healthy and exercised then her immune system should stay active and she will be fine.

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Trinity
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posted 04-30-2003 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trinity     Edit/Delete Message
It was generilized. She inherited her moms immune system(I found out her mother had it real bad when she was a puppy)

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GoodboysBaddogs
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posted 08-26-2003 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Trinity,
I know it's been quite some time since you've posted this concern, but i am currently going through what you have overcame.
We're at the stage where my pup had it's 1st negative skin scraping. It's been about two weeks now form the negative scrapings. I guess we're just going to finish off this oral Ivermectin (for the mange)and the antibiotic Cephalexin (for his secondary infection, i'm guessing Pyoderma). I was just wondering, did your pup have a secondary infection? Like bumps on his body? If so, where you given any antibiotics for it? If so, what kind, and how long did you have feed them?
Thanks So Much For Your "OR ANYBODY'S" Help & Consideration.

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Trinity
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posted 08-27-2003 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trinity     Edit/Delete Message
She did get a secondary infection. It was like pimply bumps(not very pretty). The meds were Cephalexin. There were 28 500mg caps. We gave it to her twice a day.
Reno also got mange again when she went into heat. I wanted to get her fixed before she went into heat,but the vet didn't want to do it. She is fixed now.

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posted 08-28-2003 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
Hello again Trinity,
Thanks for responding.
It's good to know your pup recovered from it's secondary infections just after the 28 capsules.
We're on our second container w/ 42 caps of 500mg each.
I just hope after this bottle, that it'll be all over.
I'm estimating 3 weeks.
We've also been treating/giving a benzoyl peroxide shampoo bath weekly.
Is there anything that your doing to help keep this from recurring?
I'm afraid that this might come back! !

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Trinity
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posted 08-28-2003 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trinity     Edit/Delete Message
Is your pup a male or a female? All the female pups in Reno's litter got mange again when they went into heat. The males only had to be treated once,and never got it again.
I got her fixed to keep it from coming back again. I've fed her BARF(biologicly appropriate raw food) and dog food since she was a puppy,and she was the last one in her litter to start getting mange. We use the benzoyl peroxide shampoo too.
Here is a page with pics of Reno. http://aimeeskritters.50megs.com/reno.html
At the bottom of the page are more recent pics when she was getting over her second occurence of mange. She shouldn't get it again now that she is fixed.
I hope your pup is doing good,and doesn't get it again.

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GoodboysBaddogs
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posted 08-29-2003 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Trinity,
Ahhhh! Your Reno looks beutiful! Those are nice shots. I can't even notice the Demodex on her.Is she an Albino color, or jsut all white? Either way she's lookin good.
You mentioned that you've been feeding the 'BARF' diet along w/ kibble, right? I was hoping i could ask you one last question about 'feeding/diet'..? I'm planning on adding/supplementing my dogs diet/food w/ some human-freash-&-raw-food. This most likely will be happening around Christmas time.
Ohh, by the way my pup w/ the Demodex is a male. Both my buddies are boys. An American Bulldog (13 months), & the one w/ Mange is a Chinese Shar Pei (9 months).
I was just hoping you could shar some helpfull tips on getting/starting a 'barf'-type diet. I probably won't go all/straight BARF diet, but definatly somewhere along/close to it.
Basically, what kinds of freash-&-raw foods can i start adding to their daily kibble. BTW i'm currently giving them Canidae dog kibble. It's human-grade, so they say.
I don't wqnt to throw their digestive system off by quickly, or adding the wrong foods at first. Can you tell me what ingredients are best to start w/?
I really appreciate your help. When it comes to my "GoodBoysBadDogs" , experiance really matters to me... Thanks A Whole Bunch!!!

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Trinity
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posted 08-30-2003 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trinity     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks. She is white,and she has a red spot on her left ear.
I started feeding her chicken necks once a day. I gave her blended apples,and carrots every once in a while.
I feed her chicken necks, legs, and backs. I feed the chicken and whatnot seperate from her kibble. Reno loves her fruits,and veggies. I usually blend them up, and mix them with a couple of eggs(with the shell). I don't feed her very much fruit/vegetables because I still feed her kibble. For something to chew on I get her pigs feet. She also gets Beef Liver(she hates chicken liver), chicken hearts,and other chicken parts once a week.


Here are some links. http://www.snss.bc.ca/barf.htm http://www.barfdiet.com/ http://www.bluegrace.com/barf.html http://www.ipass.net/wrweber/diet.html http://mythicaldanes.com/calculator.html

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GoodboysBaddogs
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posted 08-31-2003 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for Time & Consideration Trinity....

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posted 08-31-2003 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Goodboys - - I recommend purchasing a couple of books to help you start with the raw food diet. "Give your dog a Bone" by Dr. Billinghurst is a must read as is a more simplistic book called "Natural Nutrition for dogs and cats" by Kymythy Schultze (few affordable at $14.) Kymythy puts things into perspective and offers basic pointers for this diet.

If you are going to add raw food you should feed it as a separate meal and NOT mix with kibble. Kibble (processed) and fresh food digest at different rates. I would split the meals up, one in am one in pm.

Also be sure to finely puree or grate up veggies & fruit you give, since dogs can not easily break down/digest the plant membrane.

We feed turkey & chicken necks & backs, organ meat (livers etc) as well as muscle meat (gizzards), ground beef, rabbit, lamb. If other meat sources are available, they get that too. You need to make sure they are getting bone to help balance out the calcium/phosphorus. We give a nice mix of veggies and fruit and supplements. Schultze's book gets into more detail.

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Freedom
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posted 08-31-2003 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Freedom     Edit/Delete Message
I agree, purchasing books on BARF is a very good idea. BARF isn't something you just jump into, it needs to be researched and you need to plan out a diet specifically for your dog. Also way to go Trinity on spaying your female, you did a very responsible thing.

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the_maine_pitbull
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posted 09-14-2003 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the_maine_pitbull     Edit/Delete Message
"Is your pup a male or a female? All the female pups in Reno's litter got mange again when they went into heat."

Dogs that have mange should be altered right away, this is somethign that can be passed to their offspring.. so to be safe, they should be altered.

Okay now for my part.. I know this is old but there is no sense in starting a new thread on somethign that is already here as a topic.. So for one, my four month old female has localized demodex-- she is taking .4cc of Ivomec daily for this plus.. we give her Miaban dippings every two weeks.. Where she is being treated with Mitaban at the current time, can she still get a bath or do I wait until she is no longer being treated? I ask this because she shouldn't get wet.. yet they say to bath her.?? Go figure..

two.. where she has mange, does all of her litter mates, or is it just every dog for himself sort of thing. I know that this is surpassed through their mother however.. I wondered if all the pups get it or just whichever dog has weak immune system. Also, does that mean the mother would have had to have it as well?

The way I understood is it is in their hair folicles and stays inactive. Only dogs with weak immune system are affected because their body can't fight off the mange. Can anyone help me with this ??

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Trinity
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posted 09-15-2003 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trinity     Edit/Delete Message
The father can also pass the problem to his pups. So the mother or the father would have probobly had mange when they were pups. All the puppies get it because they all have the problem with thier immune system.

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