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Doittommorow unregistered |
posted 04-17-2003 02:47 PM
Ok woah mabe i am new here and you all have some kind of history here but this is getting way way off topic. I mean it is turning into your own little personal wars. Now dont get me wrong i do quite enjoy all the quips and quarells about the same thing over and over and by no means let me stop you. Personally i really dont care who is more educated, or who has played with dogs for 50 years, unless of course you would like share your knowledge with me, the uneducated thorn in your foot as it would seem. There I said it now you can stop bickering because I am probably the most "uneducated" one in here, ok now we all know where we stand on that matter. All that i know is you do not need to go to colege for 4 years or show dogs for thirty to learn how to properly raise a specific breed (ie:APBT). I have no problem hearing oposing opinions. It actually is helping me to better understand why the genneral public does not like (i hate the term but) "Pitt Bulls". However i have not heard one good factual argument why APBT are such a bad breed of dog, besides "I have seen them attack" now i do sypathize with you and the rest involved and related, but you can not compare those particular dogs with the rest of the APBT population. That is stereotyping if it is not fair to do it to a human who can defend him/herself with words, how can you do it to an animal????? Just because of the breed they are does not mean they are going to rip someone apart if they are having a bad day. And i am so sick of hearing "that is what they were breed to do". Well a cockerspaniel was breed to be a bird hunting dog so does that mean without training to do so, he will go flush me up some birds out of gut feeling. A sheep dog will go round up the heard on its own, labradors, retrievers, without traing they wont even retreive the stick you throw. So stop say its just what they do. Without being trained to attack they most likely probably 99% of the time will never attack any thing much less the animals they love, humans. All breeds of dogs will attack nobody know exactly what is going on inside the head of any dog, if they sense that their human counterpart is in danger they will probably attack, they feel threatened they will probably attack. I am no expert by no means on any breed of dog, however i do know that the APBT is taking a verbal butt whoopin for absolutely no reason. I hope in no way did i offend any one or anyone's opinion. If I did I did not mean to do so and I apolagize.
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shmoopie Member  Posts: 361 |
posted 04-17-2003 03:10 PM
Seems some people like to egg on others...who cares...I try and ignor it, but sometimes can't help myself....some people just need a good lesson! Anyhoo, I enjoy talking about all the good the breed does, has done and will do. I hate the way the un educated dog people in the media get all over a dog attack and frame pit bulls for something they have never even done...this sortta thing happens all the time and really gets to me. I simply write in, letter after letter, email after email and call after call, but unfortunatley, nobody is willing to listen to my side of the story, instead reporters call up anyone but an educated dog person. Anyhoo, somehting interesting has come outta the murder in the US (very sad story, can't believe it again lol)..I only herd bits and pieces on the news, but is a story about a pregnant lady that was killed by her boyfiend and the body was found on shore...They are using the Pit Bulls from For Pits Sake as search dogs to locate the remaining evidence...cool huh (not about the murder, that truly is a very sad story) This breed has so much good to offer. The positive stuff is starting to come forward slowly thanks to all the hard efforts of people just like you who stand up and speak the truth about the breed. Cheers IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 04-17-2003 05:36 PM
Actually many dogs still have the instincts required to perform the jobs they were originally bred to do. Many dogs of "herding breeds" are dumped off at shelters every year because they had no outlet for their desire to herd, and were "herding" the family's children by nipping at them. Many labs still have very strong retrieval instincts, and will naturally do some form of retrieve (though it's maybe not as perfect as one who has also been trained to retrieve properly). Many hound breeds still have hunting instincts DEEPLY ingrained in them (how many times have you heard Beagle owners complaining that their dogs howl all the time, or that they can't let them off-leash without them heading off on a trail). You will also see some dogs that have been bred away from their original purposes, and they may not have instincts as strong as those dogs still performing their original tasks. Pit bulls have been bred (mostly, at least in the period between the late 1800s through the 1970s) to fight other dogs. Before that, they were bred for combat with dogs and other large animals, as were their ancestors. The desire to take on another animal is still VERY strong in many pit bulls today, because they are not yet far removed from their original purpose. If you talk to people who work their dogs (of any breed), you will find that a lot of dogs they still possess some instinct to do what their breed was originally made to do. If you're a pit bull owner, the first time your dog picks up a challenge from another dog will completely shock you. That second when your "loving pet" turns into a "savage beast" with it's sole intent being to wreak havoc on it's opponent.... that's not coincidence, or "upbringing", that's genetics. It may not be in their genetic make-up to go at it with another dog, but if it is, no training or socialization can stop it. Genetics are the strongest thing in the world, and nothing can completely change them. The best you can do is teach the dog to control themselves, you CAN NOT change or "fix" their "natural" temperament. That's the problem with pit bulls that attack... because of something in their genetic make-up, they end up not being as stable as a "normal" pit bull, then in some cases, bad experiences are added in (abuse, neglect, whatever), and you end up with REALLY unstable dogs, who are dangerous to anyone they may come in contact with. There are pit bulls in rescue right now that have been through horrible abuse, yet are still completely friendly towards humans.... THEY are stable pit bulls. There are pit bulls out there who have been pampered all their life, yet still "don't like kids", or are "aggressive towards strangers"... THEY are NOT stable pit bulls. All the training in the world will not (and can not) change a dog's base temperament. [This message has been edited by goob (edited 04-17-2003).] IP: Logged |
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