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Pug Member Posts: 26 From:Right here Registered: Apr 2003	posted 04-16-2003 08:41 PM I see the children in the lane They look like friends, we'll have a game They've got a stick, oh boy, what fun They'll throw it for me and I'll run But someone stops me, I wonder why their mother screams "Don't go near those" Horrid Dogs, come here, come close They're dangerous-I'll tell you why They bite little children and they die All I can do is watch and sigh Cause now I know that Pit Bull's don't cry Mum cuddles me up and says "My pet We love you dearly so don't you fret" But I love everyone out there Why can't they love me, I do care I wish they weren't made to pass me by I'm a Pit Bull, I don't cry I sit behind my padlocked gate From early morn til quite late When I go out it's on a lead Is mine the only heart to bleed I'm held in check as the world goes by I wish the Pit Bull heart could cry Hey everyone Im new to the board and mostly I am a pug person but I also share a love for the pitbull breed with alot of you. I see that there has been alot of dumb people that has been posting here but for the rest of you here is a poem I found that I think you all will like. Please reply... There are some dogs, and also men Who cannot tell a foe from a friend So all of us must bear the blame Expected to live a life of shame Condemned, alas and we know not why All we know is we will not cry! ~Author Unknown~ This poem was found on http://www.takingthelead.co.uk/2/Poems/poem1.htm IP: Logged
Russ unregistered	posted 04-16-2003 09:02 PM Hi Pug, Welcome to the board!! Nice poems, they sure ring a familiar bell Russ IP: Logged
Doc Helladay unregistered	posted 04-16-2003 09:15 PM My feelings on this poem, is this.. Showing that there should be MORE responsible parents just like that and say "DONT GO NEAR" If you think about it whether it is a friendly pit or one that has a aggressive flaw. This would protect both a Pit from getting a bad rap or worst sceniro (being put down) and also protecting children from a agressive animal. I feel I can critic the poem since I am also a writer and have 2 books already published You take care and welcome to the board Doc~2003 IP: Logged
Pug Member Posts: 26 From:Right here Registered: Apr 2003	posted 04-16-2003 11:09 PM Thanks alot guys. I love a pitbull. I would own one if I knew enough about them to give it the home that it would deserve. I have always been a pug person. I dont believe people finds dogs that is right for the person I think you should get a dog that acts like it feels that you are the person for it and for some reason pugs has always been an excellant choice to fit my life style. IP: Logged
goob Member Posts: 552 From: Registered: Mar 2003	posted 04-17-2003 01:15 AM Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, doc, but here's my thoughts on kids petting pit bulls. If ALL parents were to say to their children "don't go near that dog", or "no, you can't pet that dog, it's a pit bull", or any of the other things that SOME parents say to their children, then first, that could lead to the kids having misconceptions about dogs (not only pit bulls)... as well as the dogs having some problems. With this dog we currently have here, I can feel her frustration when someone walks by and ignores her... that's something she needs to get used to, since she's not going to get attention from every single person she ever sees . Anyway, it's especially stressful to a friendly dog to have kids start towards them as if they want to pet them, then be called away by their parents, for whatever reason. After a while, the frustration builds, and if the dog ever happens to get loose while there are kids around, it will go crazy, knocking them over, and being horribly rude because it's so excited to finally get what it wants. Kinda like a dog that's been tied all it's life near a place where lots of "little furries" run back and forth, they'll strain for a while, trying to get to them, then realize it's pointless and settle down to just watching, but that desire to chase them is usually still there, often stronger than before because it's so built up. Then if they ever get loose (ie chain snaps, whatever), they'll be so intent on getting to that "forbidden" thing, and once they get there, so zealous, that it may cause more harm than just letting them get it all out from the beginning. A much better approach would be to simply teach the kids what to watch for (as far as behavior) themselves, so that they can have some sense in deciding whether or not to pet a dog if their parents are not around. IP: Logged
Doc Helladay unregistered	posted 04-17-2003 02:45 AM Other peoples kids are not a test toy for dogs PERIOD1!!!! Nor are the kids put on this earth so that people have a better behaved DOG. Doc~2003 IP: Logged
Russ unregistered	posted 04-17-2003 04:08 AM oops posted in the wrong thread again, my bad!!! [This message has been edited by Russ (edited 04-17-2003).] IP: Logged
shmoopie Member Posts: 361 From:Vancouver, BC Registered: Jan 2003	posted 04-17-2003 11:52 AM Doc, I believe you have completley miss understood Goob's point. I believe his point is that the dog IS friendly to children and not allowing him to socialize with them creates the anger build up..GET IT? I have NEVER EVER had a problem with children around my dog nor have any of the other "Pit Bulls" I know.... [This message has been edited by shmoopie (edited 04-17-2003).] IP: Logged
PITBULL_PRINCESS1979 Member Posts: 414 From:LOUISIANA,USA Registered: Dec 2002	posted 04-17-2003 04:52 PM Doc, I have a very big problem with what you said.Parents should teach they kids to be careful around dogs they do not know,but they should never teach the to be afraid.That is just stupid.... You are blind with hate for pit bulls.You know nothing of pit bull.I don't care how many years you have been around dogs.Every dog is different no matter the breed. The poem above really touched me..I think it was wonderful.Welcome to the forum!Always glad to have another pit lover! IP: Logged
goob Member Posts: 552 From: Registered: Mar 2003	posted 04-17-2003 06:00 PM You completely missed my point, doc. Why not try looking past the fact that we're discussing pit bulls here, and generalize this petting thing to just "dogs"... since the argument can (and SHOULD) be carried over to ALL dogs. Especially since the most common biters aren't pit bulls anyway, and most serious dog attacks happen when a loose dog simply runs up and attacks someone (or attacks someone in it's own home), not when a dog, on-leash and with it's owner, is approached by a child who wants to pet it. It stands to reason that a child is MUCH more likely to be bitten (maybe even seriously) by a dog of a breed other than a pit bull in the situation we're discussing, than they are to be bitten by a pit bull. I never said that kids are a "test toy" for dogs, just mentioned the possible effects of keeping a friendly dog isolated from children. In fact, to make it even easier for you to grasp, the dog I mentioned isn't a pit bull (or any related breed), and is actually pretty well trained. Still think that people should keep their kids from petting her? And if so, then why not tell children to avoid ALL dogs... after all, you can never be too safe. IP: Logged
tybrax unregistered	posted 04-18-2003 04:27 AM welcome to the forum , love your poem . and l love my pittys IP: Logged
Doc Helladay unregistered	posted 04-18-2003 06:08 AM Princess...I have never once said anywhere on any post I hate pit's NEVER or use the phrase kids should be afraid. What I believe is this, I feel that all dogs should be socialized with humans from a very young pup no matter the breed. I firmly believe small children should be watched over very carefully. Some small kids do not understand that they are a kid and its a dog..they have no perception that its not one of their toys they play with. So on that note..a child should be taught also from a early age,(which I started my g-baby at 1 yr old she would run towards our dog..I would tell her no you wait for him to come to you..that way he is greeting her and he doesnt think OH MY LORD what is this little human doing coming at me..As far as a sceniro where people you dont know with kids nor do you know the parents of the children, there would be lack of comunication on both parties of knowning if it is safe for the dog or for the children. I believe people use their common sense and its not a " OH DONT TOUCH THAT DOG" and so forth "I would say, lets ask the people if you can pet the dog" kids running up on a dog could scare him or her and one does not know what the dog might be thinking at the time. I just find this kind of training for both dogs and children should be done with all parties in agreement.. And by the way..I did make a mistake on a name in another post..I got the 2 posters mixed up...but it doesnt matter anyways. It is very apparet that most members are very judgmental, alot of name calling, and I do not see why. I never found out who ran Pauline off..which one of you guys did that? I saw it in another post and didnt know what happened? did someone call her ignorant? old? dum? or what? Personnally I thought she was really a nice person. Doc~2003 IP: Logged
Russ unregistered	posted 04-18-2003 07:01 AM I stand up and say "It wasn't me!" I do not call many people the kind words you mentioned above. So feel privileged that I have called you all. I guess I/we ran off jlong too...... how unfortunate that he thought his 4 years of newspaper decorating education could have any weight here. Or his weak lame arguments with no evidence to support. But if it makes you happy Doc, I will take all the blame in this PB forum, for anyone not posting or just lurking. Go write another book. Btw why don't you tell us all what 2 books you have published? IP: Logged
tybrax unregistered	posted 04-18-2003 08:07 AM DOC , HERE WE HAVE JLONG TELLING MEMBERS OF THE FORUM THEY ARE DUMB IDIOTS, TELLING PEOPLE TO KISS HIS ASS, BEING RUDE TO US , AND VERY IGNORANT, AND JUDGEMENTAL, AND THE NAME CALLING. aND YOU DEFENDED HIM BUY SAYING HE IS WELL EDUCATED.L FIND THE LAST BIT OF YOUR POST HYPOCRITICAL. WHY BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEING RUDE THE FLAMERS START , THE ARGUMENTS TO GET EVERY ONE ANGRY, AND YOU DEFEND THEM. AND NOW WE ARE IN THE WRONG I DON;T THINK SO.WE ARE SURPOSE TO BE SAVING THE PIT BULLS FROM THIS DISCUSTING SYSTEMATIC SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PETS, THESE ARE THE ONES WE ARE GOING TO DEFENDED NOT SOME IDIOT DISHES OUT HIS NAME CALLING , AND IS RUDE AND JUDGEMENTAL. AND ENJOYS STARTING ARGUEMENTS.RUSS WHERE;S THAT TAXI IP: Logged
PITBULL_PRINCESS1979 Member Posts: 414 From:LOUISIANA,USA Registered: Dec 2002	posted 04-18-2003 03:18 PM Russ, Sweetie..I will take the blame as well..I do have a temper,but I stand behind everything I say.I got your back!!! IP: Logged
Pug Member Posts: 26 From:Right here Registered: Apr 2003	posted 04-18-2003 11:02 PM Hey listen guys. I am sorry if I have started trouble on this board. What the poem means is parents should be as understanding as those children in it although I do agree that children should be told that all dogs are not frindly and playfull such as the one in the poem but its not just pits that are causing trouble out there. There are many dogs of all diff. size, shape and breed that are not good with people. Thats all I meant by the posting the poem. I did NOT write it I found it on a website, I just thought it would be nice if people would understand that just because its a pitbull does not mean its a killer. Some of Americas greatest dogs are pits and I am once again sorry if I have offended anyone IP: Logged
tybrax unregistered	posted 04-19-2003 01:31 AM pug there is know need to apoligise , our poem and post where wonderful, if people miss understood it then thats their problem. IP: Logged
Russ unregistered	posted 04-19-2003 03:37 AM Hi Pug, No offense was taken, the offenders were jlong and doc. Not you. Please feel free to post whatever you like. It is always welcome here, if its about positive pitbulls "LOL" Ive got to get this out of the way now, please humour us, "Are you the infamous JLONG also?" Russ IP: Logged
Doc Helladay unregistered	posted 04-19-2003 03:52 AM RUSS News flash WAKE up.....Pug is your flamer jlong go read "check this out" IP: Logged
Pug Member Posts: 26 From:Right here Registered: Apr 2003	posted 04-19-2003 09:40 AM LOL I am not nore do I know any jlong, I have just some of his posts on the pit board and I disagree with most of what he said. IP: Logged
PITBULL_PRINCESS1979 Member Posts: 414 From:LOUISIANA,USA Registered: Dec 2002	posted 04-19-2003 06:00 PM Pug, Hey,post what ever you want.You are very much welcome here.This breed needs all the positive help it can get.....Again,it is truly a wonderful and REAL poem... IP: Logged
puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 From:,Calif. U.S.A. Registered: Dec 2002	posted 06-16-2003 02:36 PM This is a very sad poem, I grew up with a brindle pit named ziggy. We had him since he was a tiny pup. I think all children should be taught to be aware of every dog until they are introduced to them and they know its safe. Not just pitbulls, any dog. I won't let any children touch my poodle because she is way too tempermental. I have learned from having my dogs that even though I want to pay attention to every dog I see, it is not always possible. My neighbor has a huge pitbull, and we stop by and chat. His dog is so big compared to mine he does not realize how strong he is. He barely stepped on my dogs toe and mine squealed in pain. He just does not know how strong he is. Plus he has probably not ever had the chance to run around with other dogs. His owners are scared of all the hype about them, so he stays very close to them. My dog has been attached a couple of times from other dogs so I am very weary about any dog at this point. But I still try to show my dogs not all dogs will hurt them. As you see I too am not from this forum. Someone from toy dogs made referance to something over here so I was looking for it and stumbled over this... Everyone just love your dogs and be nice to others. IP: Logged
PassionforPitbulls New Member Posts: 8 From:West Warwick, RI USA Registered: Sep 2003	posted 09-03-2003 09:11 PM Thank you for the poem. How true it is. I am the proud owner of one American Staffordshire Terrier and two pit mixes. All three are my babies. They are all rescues. My pit mix Katie was dumped in a local park and left for dead. It is so sad what this fantastic breed has to endure. I visited the web site you provided and saved it in my favorite places. I enjoyed reading it. Again, Thanks ------------------ "Dogs love their friends and bite their enemies, quite unlike people, who are incapable of pure love and always have to mix love and hate." - Sigmund Freud Susan M.B. Parker IP: Logged
red_nose_21 Member Posts: 14 From:fort riley. ks. usa Registered: Sep 2003	posted 09-07-2003 11:52 AM I am only a kid though but when i bring my friends pits home to watch it for them all my neighbors moms and dads say stay away from him he is a pitbull i ask why and they say i don't want my kid to get bitten or attacked it makes me mad when i hear that. but that is what media does to this world they make people scared of a whole bunch of things including pitbullls i was talking to my friends mom and she is right and she tells everyone it is how you raise the breed and how you train it. He jumped throgh a window just to play with kids and some of the other neighbor kids and then the parents see the pitbull and they make all there kids go in and my friends mom is just wait till someone trys to hurt my or one of your kids and he sees that and jumps through the window to attack the person who is trying to hurt your or my kid because he is very pertective of any kid he loves them and you look into his eyes and you can tell he is sad that not very many people like him and he trys to prove a point that he is a safe dog and he likes people and he will die to protect his family or little kids who can't defend themself form other people that are bigger then them. IP: Logged
GoodboysBaddogs Member Posts: 409 From:Los Angeles, Ca. Registered: Aug 2003	posted 09-07-2003 07:10 PM Hello ALL Pit & Bull breed lovers!!! It gives me such a good feeling that their are people out their that stand up for positivity, when ignorance rules the fool that continues to spread blind hate. Continue to represent our beautiful breeds, and let's kill the ignorance !!! I have an American Bulldog, close cousins of the Pitbull. ------------------ ...it's the understanding of what's wrong, when you only know how to do right... IP: Logged
the_maine_pitbull Member Posts: 320 From:Allagash, Maine USA Registered: Oct 2003	posted 09-08-2003 08:19 PM Pug-- post anytime.. the poem was awesome.. I printed it out and have it hanging.. I LOVED IT!! I know it brought tears to the eyes of many people. Anyhow, Doc.. you need to chill out.. Understand things before going ballistic.. For one.. you misinterpreted.. Parents need to teach their children how to correctly approach dogs, not avoid or fear them.. They need to teach them correct manner around dogs. A lot of the problem with society and Pitbull's is prejudice people.. They do not train their kids to approach dogs the proper way and then when they do see them near the dog, they lose it saying "OMG-- that was a Pitbull, it tried to bite my son!" and they get a quick lawsuit and that dogs gets taken or put down for absolutely no reason.. I blame people for not having an open mind about things they have no experience with. I do not have any experience being around Japanese people, but it doesn't mean that if I were I would start yelling and tweeking out just because I have no experience. I will not hold something I have no first hand knowledge of against any one or thing. Japanese in America have a bad reputation, just as Pitbull's.. do you see people holding that against them?? No they have changed with correct socialization and understanding of American culture.. just as Pitties, they have changed with understand of people who love and cherish the breed for what it is, was and always will be, not what it is capable of doing. IP: Logged
Bobbiluvspits New Member Posts: 3 From:Poconos pa Registered: Sep 2003	posted 09-19-2003 11:48 PM Pug, Wow! Great words of wisdom from someone who can see a pit for what he truely is. Unfortunately there will always be people with one track minds about the pit breed, kinda like politics and religion. I kind of feel sorry for them as they will never know the love and loyalty this beed truely has to offer. Its nice to have someone like yourself who doesnt own a pit to admire them enough to post such a beautiful poem on a site dedicated to them. I have to admit, before I met my husband 7 years ago, I never met a pit and nor did I care to as I was brainwashed by the media. When I first went to his house, I saw 3 dogs barking at the door when I arrived, I turned to my friend and asked what kind of dogs they were, when she told me they were pits, I didnt want to go in the house. But I did, I walked right passed them (which is unusual for me as I am a huge animal lover) stiff as a board, trying not to make eye contact. One of the dogs "Babe" followed me to the chair I was going to sit in, and I tried not to pay attention, however, she would have none of that. She nudged my arm with her nose as if she were telling me to "go ahead, I wont bite" after about a half hour and a drink or two, I started to pet her and talk to her. She instantly became my best friend. The more I went to Scott's house, the more I fell in love with her. I was truely amazed with how intellegent she was, how she would give us her undivided attention when we would talk to her and as if she knew just what we were saying. She even had a humanlike personality. One day Scott was playing with her, chasing her around the house and she jumped up on the couch, he turned to walk away, at which point she jumped off the couch, ran after him and hit him in the back of the knee with her shoulder making him fall down, then she turned and ran away and turned and looked at him as if to say "Bring it on!" I still laugh when I think about that. She was Scotts roommates dog, and when he moved out, I got a pitbull a year later and now I have 2. Now I am 100% devoted to the breed. To think 1 dog could change my mind. I am hoping to start a pitbull rescue within 2 years. There is not nearly enough support for the breed, and maybe thats why they end up in the wrong hands and given a bad rap. Sadly, there are over 1,000 cases of pits euthanized each year just for being sheltered in a fighting ring (this also included puppies whom havent even begun to fight), I do believe that alot of them can not be placed in a home, but there are also others that I believe with a little work, can be placed safely, I would like to be a part of saving some of those lives. Just a piece of knowlege for those who think Pits are so terrible, If you read the statistics on the most breed reported bites, it will show that cocker spaniels take that place by a long run. IP: Logged
pitmom New Member Posts: 3 From:Nunnelly,TN,US Registered: Sep 2003	posted 09-30-2003 10:24 AM I have three children and have owned many pits I've never had a problem with the mix.One pit I had named Princess became part of the family and took role as sibling.My children would get rough with her from time to time all she ever did was pull their hair ,this was when my girls were in thier hair pulling stage and she picked it up. IP: Logged