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shmoopie Member  Posts: 361 |
posted 04-16-2003 12:24 PM
 
Anyone who wants to discuss the negative side of the APBT please do so here. Anything that concerns anyone who has their own opinion about the breed, please feel free to post here on any concerns you have of the breed. Let us share with you why I and so many other people LOVE the breed. It seems a few are taking our known facts of the APBT that we are sharing as personal insults. We are here to help the breed and to help people understand a little more about these wonderful dogs. Feel free to express your concerns and we will do our best to help you understand our love for the breed.....of course without insults! Cheers IP: Logged |
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the_maine_pitbull Member Posts: 320 |
posted 09-21-2003 09:55 PM
I apologize if anyone is offended by me doing this-- however we had an issue last week and there are a fw newbies I see, so I figured it would be a good idea to update this incase any one has anything negative they would like to share and we can help them understand the reasons for the negative behavior.. Thanks.. Ang IP: Logged |
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christy New Member  Posts: 1 |
posted 11-07-2003 08:22 PM
READ ME!!! READ ME READ ME!!! READ ME!!! ok let me tell all you "pit bull hatters" something what do u really know about these dogs have you owned one have you taken a look at their history?? it is a shame that we arnt giving these dogs a chance to have a good life just like any other dog but because of the dumb owners who make them this way the dog has to pay fore itno matter what the case is. no dog diserves to just be killed and if it was your dog that you know wouldnt hurt a fly you would know why there is ppl like me that work so hard to save them and keep them ppl who dont treat them right away. these dogs are just like other dogs who want to go to the park and wants to sleep w/you at the foot of the bed there just like any othere dog and with love and hard work and ppl that know what to do w/tese dogs they are sweet dogs trust me i know and i know how it feels to have your dog taken from you when he has done nothing wrong but be put to sleep because of the type of blood line he had in him and i want it to stop go ahead e mail me and tell me im wrong ill state my case and fight this till you see from my point of view they are only mean when trated mean!!!! IP: Logged |
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nemesis658 Member Posts: 26 |
posted 12-17-2003 11:14 PM
i do not hate pittbulls the only thing that makes me mad is when people relate american staffords to pittbulls when it is known that they are 2 different breeds i have a 6 month old amstaff and it doesnt look anything like a pitty other than that i think pitties are good dogs IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 12-18-2003 08:32 AM
so pits and amstaff's aren't related? oh but they are relatively the same breed. back in the day the ukc didn't like the name pit bull, so they were registered as amstaff's, thats why you can register a dog as an amstaff and apbt today. over the years though the "amstaffs" were bred for there conformation rather than the gameness of the apbt, in my opinion that is the biggest difference between the two today. so amstaffs have slightly more blocky or square heads, where as apbt's can have any number of different looks shapes sizes, including blocky or square heads. [This message has been edited by benny boy (edited 12-18-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 12-18-2003 12:15 PM
My only consern is not for the supposive "ferociousness" of the breed, because thats not their "true" likeness. I've read about the breed, and as will any kind of dog, they can all be loving, and snap one day. The pits have just been framed the "target" to blame all dogs that attack. My concern and anger is towards the people who find it necessary to train the dogs to be so violent, hate everything, and fight. Besides do the people that do that realize the abuse and harm they are putting the dogs through?? Why do people feel the need to fight their dogs, or use them to look cool by making them so mean??? What are they accomplishing??? IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 12-18-2003 02:01 PM
quote: If they're two seperate breeds, then how is it that a dog can be both an AmStaff AND an APBT? The breeds have almost identical conformation standards (talking AKC and UKC, not ADBA), with the few differences being minor things like coat color, etc. The dogs on this site: www.hartagold.com are dual registered as AmStaffs and APBTs, and have been shown successfully as both AmStaffs and APBTs. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-18-2003 02:27 PM
The UKC is the one registering Pit Bulls and had registered them as that. Maybe someone misinformed you but the UKC was used to register Pit Bulls for many years. AKC didn't like the name PIT BULL because of dog fighting so they felt the need to change the name, they finally decided on American Staffordshire Terrier. American to distinguish it from the English Staffordhire Terrier or Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Then the UKC basically went all "showy" and after awhile started breeding dogs for the same reasons and ways. For looks mostly. The ADBA dogs were game dogs and a dogman's registry. Now there are a lot of show fanciers in this reg. but a vast majority still breed game dogs, some game breeders also show their dogs and some show people buy from game stock and breed those for conformation. Then there is of course the pulling competition. There are still real bulldogs in these but of late it is being filled with oversized muts and cur mixes. Even people who admit to mixing the dogs and hanging papers. Its really bad, but the ADBA wants the $$. The ADBA-APBT and the AmStaff are two very different dogs, on the other hand the UKC-APBT and AmStaff are almost identical as Goob said. You can have a dual reg. dog one way (through UKC), but you are not allowed to register your Pit Bull as an AmStaff through AKC which doesn't make much sense to me. Petey the Little Rascal's dog was dual reg. as an AmStaff/APBT. People argue to this day about which breed he was. Some AmStaff people will put a up a fight that he was an AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER and that is why he was so trustworthy and loyal not like those "vicious fighting APBTS" The truth is that he was a gamebred Pit Bull and he was dual reg. as both and the breeds were really close then because they had just made the split. His sire was Tudor's Black Jack who was a multiple pit winner and his dam was also game. I just find it rather funny how some AmStaff owners have such bad things to say about APBTs and how they say he was a Staff when he was bred for fighting as most APBTs were in that day. That is why they are so stable, because man aggressive dogs were culled by Pit Dogmen. There are even Staffs in the ADBA now days, an AmStaff is reg. through UKC as an APBT then reg with the ADBA. [This message has been edited by True_Pits (edited 12-18-2003).] IP: Logged |
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jamie Member Posts: 29 |
posted 12-18-2003 04:01 PM
changing the subject could anyone tell me if a staffishire bull terrier is the same as an american staffy. if not what are the differences? IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 12-18-2003 04:04 PM
thats what it was my bad, i don't know why i thought it was ukc. i stand corrected IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-19-2003 03:11 PM
Jamie a Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier are considered two breeds. Both are AKC recognized. The only big difference I've noted it the size and of course bloodlines. The AmStaff was developed from APBTs as stated before. I cant remeber all the details of the SBT. I also know there are Irish Staffys which are different in appearence and bloodlines. Some of these are still game bred where as the SBT is show bred. Also some of the Irish are used for other sports to this day such as hunting, then the SBT is strictly show. There may be some exception but most SBT are show bred dogs. IP: Logged |
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nemesis658 Member Posts: 26 |
posted 12-23-2003 07:11 PM
when i said b4 that they are 2 diff breeds i mean that they are recognised as 2 different breeds by the ANKC because here in adelaide australia it is illegal to breed a pittbull and to even own one if it isnt desexed and they have to be musseled if in public. its just that i didnt pay $2000 for a amstaff to have someone call it a pittbull. dont get me wrong tho i do like puts i just want people to recognise an amstaff when they see it. they are basically the same breed just known as different names . sorry for the confusion IP: Logged |
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daddyfs Member Posts: 86 |
posted 12-23-2003 07:33 PM
when i said b4 that they are 2 diff breeds i mean that they are recognised as 2 different breeds by the ANKC because here in adelaide australia it is illegal to breed a pittbull and to even own one if it isnt desexed and they have to be musseled if in public. its just that i didnt pay $2000 for a amstaff to have someone call it a pittbull. dont get me wrong tho i do like puts i just want people to recognise an amstaff when they see it. they are basically the same breed just known as different names . sorry for the confusion so where your from its legal to own an amstaff but illegal to own a pit bull?? thats confusing to me.. it would be exteremly hard for me to tell the difference in the dogs.. im no expert tho.. in your qoute you said, you want people to recongize an amstaff when they see one, and then you said that they are the same breed with a different name.... thats confusing to me as well.. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 12-24-2003 09:35 PM
That really is a bunch of non sense owning a Pit Bull of a different registry is legal. That is just crazy. Sorry but your AmStaff is a Pit Bull. Pit Bull is a type of dog, it is mainly used to identify 3 different breeds. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier, The American Pit Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier. It is used as a shortened name for the APBT, but AmStaff owners use it as well. "its just that i didnt pay $2000 for a amstaff to have someone call it a pittbull. The price of the dog doesn't matter or at least it shouldn't. It is irrelevent in this case. An AmStaff is an AmStaff no matter the price thats just silly that they won't allow the same breed by a different name. I mean of couse you didn't you paid for an AmStaff to have it as a companion I'm assuming and that its easier to deal with in your country?Don't worry about something so silly. Do you have papers? As long as you can prove it isn't one of those horrible "pittbulls"...lol Heck I didn't pay a lot of money to have my American PIT BULL terriers called pittbulls....lol Really I didn't get $1000 dog just to have people act like it is a petty dog and refer to it demeanly and even mispelled!!..lol..Maybe people should recognize they expensive, purebred, dogs for what they are APBTS not pittbulls....lol "i just want people to recognise an amstaff when they see it. they are basically the same breed just known as different names." That makes no sense what so ever. Unless you walk around with a breed name tag or your dogs papers stuck to your back how are they to know? If they are the same breed registered with two different registries how are people to know and recognize your dog as an AST? Some dogs are dual registered as both what should they do then? Maybe you could have bough an APBT told people it was an AST? I'm being serious here if they are the SAME bred registered different people you can't expect people to know. [This message has been edited by True_Pits (edited 12-24-2003).] IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 12-31-2003 11:00 PM
APBTs are known to be aggressive (NATURALLY) towards other dogs. I was under the impression that this was a bred in trait. I am not afraid of this dog at all. I know they are very loving and loyal dogs for people. I just dont see the point. There are other breeds such as the Am Staff that are lovable and loyal as well..but do NOT have this natural dog aggression problem. Why cant people just invest in a breed that doesnt have this trait? If they want a "tough" looking dog...there are also plenty of other options. It is unfortunate to look in the paper and see 100 dollar puppies. People who buy those dogs tend to be irresponsible pet owners. Anyways...Am Staffs are fine. I have ahard time telling the difference to be honest as each dog looks different. It just makes me nervous when I take my dog to the dog park and an APBT is around. It might never have shown a sign of aggression before but if ever provoked...those jaws would kill any of my dogs in a snap. Those are my "pit bull" concerns. IP: Logged |
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daddyfs Member Posts: 86 |
posted 01-01-2004 03:54 AM
APBTs are known to be aggressive (NATURALLY) towards other dogs. I was under the impression that this was a bred in trait. I am not afraid of this dog at all. I know they are very loving and loyal dogs for people. I just dont see the point. There are other breeds such as the Am Staff that are lovable and loyal as well..but do NOT have this natural dog aggression problem. Why cant people just invest in a breed that doesnt have this trait? If they want a "tough" looking dog...there are also plenty of other options. It is unfortunate to look in the paper and see 100 dollar puppies. People who buy those dogs tend to be irresponsible pet owners. Anyways...Am Staffs are fine. I have ahard time telling the difference to be honest as each dog looks different. It just makes me nervous when I take my dog to the dog park and an APBT is around. It might never have shown a sign of aggression before but if ever provoked...those jaws would kill any of my dogs in a snap. Those are my "pit bull" concerns.
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chickee Member Posts: 150 |
posted 01-01-2004 08:49 AM
Your right daddyfs, AmStaffs can and do have the same aggression as their UKC APBT counterparts. Afterall, they are derived from them! lol.. Of course not all ASTs have the dog aggression, but that also goes for the APBTs. I do understand what the person from Australia meant when she said she doesn't want her AST referred to as a pit bull. Dumb law of course, but there you see again the ignorance that people have on these dogs and their history. But hey! They don't need to know right? If and when the authorities 'catch on' these dogs are basically the same, they too will become illegal. I'm sure this person is thinking about this everynight. I know I would. And about the $2000 AST. They have just as many $2000 pit bulls out there too. (which I find totally ridiculous as far as price goes.) ------------------ [This message has been edited by chickee (edited 01-01-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 01-02-2004 07:52 AM
Ok. I just looked up several photos of APBT's and the Am Staffs, Don't get me wrong, but I don't see a significant diffrence in the two. They look the same to me....Can anyone tell me the diffrences please??? IP: Logged |
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Lilac Hill APBTs New Member Posts: 4 |
posted 01-02-2004 07:54 AM
What's an Am Staff or APBT doing at a dog park in the first place? IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 01-02-2004 08:16 AM
quote: LMFAO!!!!! i hear ya true pits. great post!!! IP: Logged |
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benny boy Member Posts: 392 |
posted 01-02-2004 08:20 AM
hey samsintentions, look at true pits post on 12-18, on this thread. maybe that'll help ya out. IP: Logged |
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MikeIPK Member Posts: 31 |
posted 01-02-2004 09:45 PM
What's an Am Staff or APBT doing at a dog park in the first place? What are you talking about? Why is it wrong for an Amstaff or an APBT to be in a dog park? Mine are in parks very often and do well. They are what we call well socialized and well trained! IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 01-02-2004 10:27 PM
"so your tellin me that a Amstaff doesnt have natural dog aggression, but the pit bull does huh?? i dont think this is true at all.. they are the same breed of dog.." No they usually don't not from all the ones I've met anyway. I seen one AmStaff that was crazy, dog aggressive but its less common in the AmStaff. If they are aggressive they are far less intense during actual combat than most APBTs. They have been bred to be docile, just like some lines of APBTs so those lines don't usually have dog aggressive dogs. They are different because they have been bred differently for so long. The UKC show APBTs are going along the same way and many of those dogs are fine their entire lives aroung any other dogs. It is unfortunate that irresponsible owners take their dogs like that to a dog park. But as far as wanting a "tough" looking dog, thats not why I "invested" in the breed. Has hardly nothing to do with their looks or rep. IP: Logged |
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qna Member Posts: 10 |
posted 01-03-2004 03:26 PM
I have to disagree on the whole amstaff/pitbull agressiveness thing as an owner of both breeds i have to tell you they are very much alikeevery dog is different but both breeds have the same general likes and dislikes and temps.! IP: Logged |
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ignergehl Member Posts: 174 |
posted 01-04-2004 12:37 PM
If you are very familiar with the conformation of the am-staff you can pick it out from a pit bull fairly easily. It is much more square and block-like that the pit.among other things. The term pit'bull is NOT a generic term to describe the pit, am-staff and staffy-bull. A pit bull is an american pit-bull terrier! The staffy-bull is much smaller that the other two breeds and has some different ancestry and I don't know why it is even being brought up! IP: Logged |
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qna Member Posts: 10 |
posted 01-04-2004 07:31 PM
that is so not true aboout being able to just ;look at a pit and an amstaff and be able tell them apart !..I don't know where you have seen these dogs but i own both and believe me several of them are to close to tell them apart! IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 01-05-2004 07:15 AM
Like I said before... I looked at several diffrent photos of both breeds...I can't tell the diffrence. One photo the Amstaff had a slightly shorter muzzle, and a lower tail set.... IP: Logged |
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Fastlane New Member Posts: 9 |
posted 01-05-2004 10:36 AM
"The term pit'bull is NOT a generic term to describe the pit, am-staff and staffy-bull. " LOL - Yes it is, and one or two other breeds also. IP: Logged |
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ignergehl Member Posts: 174 |
posted 01-05-2004 10:46 AM
Fast lane if you beleive that then you are part of the problem. Go up to any am-staff owner at a dog show and call his dog a pit-bull and see what happens, I dare you. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 01-05-2004 12:23 PM
"that is so not true aboout being able to just ;look at a pit and an amstaff and be able tell them apart!" I have to really disagree with that. I can tell an AmStaff from an APBT really easy. I can tell if a APBT has AmStaff in them. I can go to an ADBA show see a dog and tell that dog has *Staffs in the ped just by looking at it. They have a different confo standard. They also look different. They are more square, but there is another look, there chest seem heavier, something along those lines that really make them stick out from the APBT even the UKC dogs. Although I would have to say the UKC/AKC show dogs look very similar and many of the dogs are duel reg. You have Staffs in the UKC shows so the standards on them are going to be pretty close thats how the duel CHs come about. I don't know how someone could mistake an AmStaff for an APBT or vice versa. pit bull is a generic term for the APBT, AST and SBT. Pit Bull is short for American Pit Bull Terrier. Lots of staff owners will refer to their dogs as pits or pit bulls. Check out the "my pit bull bite someone" thread the dog was an AmStaff refered to as a pit bull. IP: Logged |
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Fastlane New Member Posts: 9 |
posted 01-05-2004 12:41 PM
"pit bull is a generic term for the APBT, AST and SBT. Pit Bull is short for American Pit Bull Terrier. Lots of staff owners will refer to their dogs as pits or pit bulls. Check out the "my pit bull bite someone" thread the dog was an AmStaff refered to as a pit bull." Thank you. One can bet the media and public would have dubbed it pit bull also. IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 01-05-2004 01:36 PM
Ok...You mentioned that the Ams have a blockier build....well so do diffrent heelers, doxis, Germans, and just about every other dog...some dogs are "blockier" than others....how does that "distinguish" between the breeds??? Everyone is debating whether they are the same or not...everyone has a diffrent oppinion. three websites, agree they are diff. I take it they are. They are just harder to distinguish between them. IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 01-05-2004 04:44 PM
Samsintentions because something about them when I see them screams Staff. I could NEVER mistake one for an APBT. They have a different shaped head. They have a heavier chest. It is over exagerated and sticks out&down. They have a more squarish head and very profound cheek bones. They have flat backs. From the front view their chest are wider than their head and round out to the side and they have a square stance. Then their head sits in the middle of that, with their chest width being bigger than their head width. The APBTs don't have the chest like that. Although they have muscle on their legs, they don't have a bulging out chest/muscle like the AST. The APBTs legs/chest/shoulders go almost straight down rather than having a round bulge and then the legs. The APBT head is in alingment with that, instead of the AST whose head appeares to be in the middle of the rounded out chest. AST don't have dewlaps. The APBT may have a dewlap or loose skin on the neck but the rest is tight to its body. The AST won't even have loose skin on their neck. Their necks also seem "thick" and to have less of an arch than the APBT. I'm not debating whether they are the same breed or not. What I am debating is QNA's opinion thats basically calling others liers. You say YOU can't tell the difference, it doesn't mean others can't or that others are lying when they say they can do so. You except that unlike QNA "that is so not true aboout being able to just ;look at a pit and an amstaff and be able tell them apart!" I find it relativly easy, some of those long time AKC/UKC deul reg. dogs look like straight UKC reg. APBTs, but that is because of the similar standard(UKC APBT also have the tight skin around the neck and dewlap would be a fualt). I admit it would be tricky, since the dogs may have some Staff in them but the build of the dog is mostly that of the APBT and be hiding the Staff features. Otherwise it is really easy to pick out a Staff, a real AmStaff. Qna was basically saying I or anyone else who can do it is lying, just because they can't or choose not to. Some people don't want to admit the differences between the two so they say they look exactly the same and act exactly the same. IP: Logged |
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MikeIPK Member Posts: 31 |
posted 01-05-2004 08:22 PM
Seems how 90% of all American Staffordshire Terriers come from what is commonly known as Ruffian stock I will use the Ruffian stock as a basis for my point. I also am a Breeder of the Purest Ruffian stock available and I show AKC. To start with, In 1936 these dogs were all APBT's under the right of birth through the UKC. Later in 1936 AKC opened it's registry and called the Satffordshire Terriers. In 1972 the confusion with the English Staffordshire prompted the changing of the name, and also the opening of the books for a limited time to all proven registered APBT's. Basically some dogs woke up one morning and were called APBT's and others were called Satffordshires. For the record. Remember RUFFIAN! True Pits brought up Tudors Black Jack as the sire to Peety from the little rascals. They used several dogs but yes the main dog was a Tudor Black Jack son bred to Tudors Jane I believe! What is my point here! These are the dogs that created THE RUFFIAN, Born AKC registered in 1938! All of the above dogs were known game bred dogs from known game stock. They were concidered some of the best APBT's known. Now if they created the line I breed how can I say my dogs are NOT APBT's? How can anyone that is remotely educated say they are not the same breed? The proof is in the pedigrees. Carried on for generations by a very reputable registries(AKC/UKC). IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 01-05-2004 09:15 PM
The Ruffian for anyone who cares to see http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=15182 Its hard to say they are the same breed when they are different. Sometimes looking similar but most of the time totally different. THe AmStaff did so descend from the these lines as is told in the pedigrees. No other breeds were created to make the AmStaff. It is only safe to say that many years of two different types of breeding programs and reasons for breeding had changed the dogs so much so that it would appear that they could now each be their own breed. One could say they are two VERY different types of the same breed. [This message has been edited by True_Pits (edited 01-05-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 01-06-2004 07:15 AM
Ok True Pitts. I see what your saying now, (going back to look at the photos of both)
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MikeIPK Member Posts: 31 |
posted 01-06-2004 06:20 PM
I agree true pits. It would be fair to say they are the same breed but two different types of it. Although the dogs I breed and several others who strickly keep to this line are rare in AKC. The dogs we breed do hold to the AKC standard in which they are registered. I have other lines which I have been involved with prior to this line and I do see the difference. I can also normally spot a dog with Amstaff blood in it. I also had a Hemphill/Wilder dog from Ron Sitzes. Several of his off spring are still around. IP: Logged |
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TruePitbullLover03 New Member Posts: 1 |
posted 01-06-2004 07:22 PM
PLEASE READ!!!!! PLEASE READ!!!! For all you pitbull haters!!Do you really know what a pitbull is cause apparently you don't...not all pits are mean and aggressive. i have 3 inside dogs and they are the best dog you could ever have. even better then them labs and them other dogs.My female just had a litter of 13 on the 30 of December 2003. My daughter who is 9 can go into the kenel with the 13 pups and not be mangeled by her. I also have a 2yr old male who sleeps with my oldest daughter in her bed. Just because stupid people who don't know how to raise a pitbull and fight them does not mean that all the millions and billions of PITBULLS in the U.S. are mean and aggressive. I have been raising pitbulls all my life and i am 30. I nor my kids have ever been pit by OUR pits. IP: Logged |
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Angie Member Posts: 171 |
posted 01-07-2004 08:13 AM
pitbulls/amstaffs http://ourworld.cs.com/_ht_a/Dreadlives609/id24.htm Check out this website [This message has been edited by Angie (edited 01-07-2004).] IP: Logged |
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happi2bnow New Member Posts: 6 |
posted 01-15-2004 05:19 AM
It's a shame that all these ignorant people express there opinion about something the have no clue about. I own 2 APBT and wish I could let all these people meet them. They are some of the sweetest dogs I ever had the chance to get to know. They love,love,love young kids. My fiances little brother can't get near them without some of the best puppy kisses ever. I currently live in my fiances parents house and they own 5 dogs of the own making 7 total. They are not even the slightest bit agressive towards them. Dogs don't make bad dogs people do. I truly have a deep hate towards all do mistreaters. They are causing this breed to have a bad rap. I wish that everybody will do there best to stop people like that. It is a priv & honor to own my American PitBull Terriers. IP: Logged |
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TazzBiz New Member Posts: 4 |
posted 01-18-2004 08:52 PM
I used to be a person that was tottaly against pitbulls I said I will never be a pitbull owner and there awful dogs and so on because of all the horiable stories and a tragedy that happen to a cousin of mines child with a pitbull and a rotty and a mutt. Now after intense research and learning alot about them. I am now an owner of 4 pit bulls and the get along with my 2 toy poodles and my German shep/husky malamute mutt IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 373 |
posted 01-19-2004 09:30 AM
quote: Apparently you don't either. Been raising them your whole life....lol. Maybe you should do some research into a breed before you decide to start breeding them and adding more to the world? Your probably a BYB breeding you pets, but thats besides the point. You failed to even read up on the breeds history?? Well I guess you didn't have time for that since you have been raising these dogs since the day of your birth....lol. Sorry but I was raised with these dogs as a youngin, the dogs were gamebred and game dogs. Hate to tell you this but non of those dogs were ever mean!! Including the 2xw who was one of my favs. Take a historty lesson over the breed. The APBT was brought to this country as a gamebred fighting dog. Colby bred and raised many of these dogs and you better believe he had children. Richard Stratton also has children. So does just about everyother dogman I know. One of the biggest reasons YOUR dogs are so friendly is because of DOG FIGHTING. Dogman CULL PEOPLE AGGRESSIVE DOGS. Those "stupid" people as you state created the breed and are resonsible for making it what it is. One of the most friendliest, people loving and children loving dogs on this earth. Did you ever hear of or watch the Little Rascals TV show, I guess you never knew Petey was bred by a dogman for dog fighting. Sired by the great Tudor's Black Jack 16xw!! That dog loved them kids, even raised them kids. These dogs earned the name nanny dog because of their love of children. WTF are you on?? Why would any dogman want to put their self in danger of being attacked by a mean fighting dog? They know what these dogs are capable of, they don't want a manbiter. Back in the day most people didn't even keep large yards, just a few dogs. They would have a fav in the house or even alternate them and dogs in keep would be kept inside, around the FAMILY including the CHILDREN. You know nothing of which you speak of, stop spreading crap about this breed. If you don't know about something no need to make up facts or excuses for man aggressive dogs or blame it on dogmen trying to keep them PEOPLE FRIENDLY. You can't match your dog if its aggressive towards people. Hows that for mean fighting dog you jerk!! Guess ignorance is bliss. [This message has been edited by True_Pits (edited 01-19-2004).] IP: Logged |
and are the best dogs that me and my husband and our 4 kids have ever owned and I will fight rite along with all the other pit lovers that ALL pits are NOT what they are sopose to be BAD VISIOUS KID EATING DOGS!!! Yeah come tell that to mine they arent sopose to be playing with kids and going to parks and everything else!!SO AMEN TO THE PIT LOVERS AND *****THE PIT HATERS!!!!
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