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posted 02-15-2003 07:02 PM         

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look people be reasonable if you dont like the breed you shouldnt be here because your comments towards the animals are not wanted and im sure alot of people would agree with me i think it is b******t the way you make the breed look when realy it is there owners fault please think about this and if you going to post on the forum post possitive after reading i would like replies from everyone if you dont reply its fine but i would apreciate if you did

sincerely, Malissa Petree
P.S. im 14 and have already made a diff. in the way people look at animals i hope i can help here to!

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posted 02-16-2003 01:23 AM           

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Animal, alot of the people here are trying to make the difference just as you are. You need to remember that alot of posts are opinions and some are actual facts from the owners of pitbull's with their information about them to share with others. That is what a message forum is all about
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posted 02-16-2003 07:56 PM         

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Melissa, I first want to say I understand how you feel!
I often feel the same way, but have learned that people will listen to you better if you are calm, polite and articulate. Cursing automatically makes people get defensive and makes them think pit bull owners are nothing but a bunch of ignorant loudmouths.

As difficult as it can be at times, we must try to educate. No one ever got educated by being yelled and cursed at.

There have been times I had to count to 10 and take a deep breath before replying to comments directed at my sweet dog, such as,"Aren't those the dogs that rip babies faces off?"

But if I yelled and swore at them, they would go away thinking their conceptions were right! If someone cursed and yelled at you, would you listen them?

Your heart is in the right place. Learn facts about pit bulls that you can present in a calm and pleasant manner, and I'm sure you will get better reactions.(from most people, that is.)

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posted 02-16-2003 08:37 PM         

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i know more then alot of people think i take pit bulls to school and educate with them they are awsome dogs

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posted 02-17-2003 12:47 PM         

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Animal_crazy,

I understand were you are comming from,but I agree with Pittypat.Be calm and cool when talking to someone about this.There is a time and place for everything.Uor job is to educate not harrass people.
I myself get very defencive when it comes to pitbulls.I would die to protect this breed.I know alot about them,but I learn something new ever day by pitbull owners and pitbulls themselves.
Not everyone has had the wonderful chance to be around this wonderful dogs.You can not hold that aginst them.How ever,the problem lies in the people that do not want to give this breed the respect they deserve.
You can go back and read every one of my post,I have been very aggressive but I have also be nice.Like I said before,there is a time and place for everything.
I think it is great that you have such a passion for this breed.We need more people to stand behind them.It will take time,so,just hang in there and be nice.Help the people that want to learn and ignore the people that are just to stupid to learn or care.

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posted 02-17-2003 12:56 PM         

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Yes, I strongly agree that we as owners & lovers of the APBT breed, we must represent them with grace and intelligence..never yell or curse at someone who simply does not know the truth about these wonderful dogs. They, like many, have learned by the media that the APBT is to be feared...why? because a few APBT's have had nasty owners that have taken the loyaly these dogs give and used it turn the dog into a nasty beast. Thank-you for realizing what wonderful companions these dogs are and for taking the time out to work with them.

How long have you been working with the APBT?

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posted 02-17-2003 02:38 PM         

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Shmoopie,
If you are asking me how long I have been working with pit's,I have been around them for 20 years.I just started breeding them about 6 years ago.

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posted 02-17-2003 03:39 PM         

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ive been working with pitbulls since i was 3 years of age my mom brought home my first puppy i know live in the country with my parents and own over 300 pits some up for adoption and sometimes we get names confused and stuff but we love doing what we do we also rescue and breed we currently have 500 acres of land i am happy to take care of pits and i will never stop my location says edgerton ohio but has currently changed as we have moved to california i love my animals and will never stop

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posted 02-17-2003 05:12 PM         

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animal_crazy
I am impressed! Obviously your parents share the same passion for the APBT? How do you manage 300 pit bulls? Do they all get along? Are they all APBT's or is there a mix of animals needing homes?

I am very interested. I really want to start a rescue here where I live, but find it would be way to expensive.

I am extremley dedicated to the APBT and realize where I live we are in need of a rescue group...other than government owned and operated, but find it would be way too expensive...how does your family manage all those dogs?

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posted 02-17-2003 10:07 PM           

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Out of curiousity, how exactly did you get the 300+ dogs moved from Ohio to California? I know it is often a problem for owners with even a few dogs to move them, so it would definitely be useful to know how you went about moving so many.

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posted 02-18-2003 11:08 AM         

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Good question...

Malissa, can you tell us how you moved 300 pit bulls from Ohio to CA in such a short time? (2 days, judging from your posts)

I found moving 3 cats and a dog a distance of 20 miles to be exhausting.

I would love to know how you did it.

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posted 02-18-2003 01:12 PM         

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I don't know how Animal is going to move hers,but I moved all of mine and a friend of mine in a UHAL truck.They were all in crates.we made sure that the crates would stay in place and then loadd the dogs.We mad sure we had one of their big trucks that had the door in the cab so that way we could check on them anytime and we would not have to stop.Except to take them to go potty.....lol..and boy was that a job...Try taking about 100 pits to go potty...it was quite a work out..lol..

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posted 04-13-2003 05:54 PM         

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Listen people you all are taking my comments all the wrong way. I AM NOT saying that pits should all be killed or put down. I am just saying that pits are naturally aggresive and require more attention then other breeds. Every one of you are saying it is the owners fault when these dogs attack and some times maybe it is but if you would take the time to educate yourself on it alittle you would see that alot of these owners are owners just like you all. Even though you care for your pits with unconditional love and patience they can and in alot of cases will turn. It has been proven to many times. As I said I am not wanting these dogs to all be put down I just want people like you to educate yourselves on them alittle more. Personally I think a pitbull is one of the most beutifull dogs out there but they ARE more aggresive. You all just keep upholding there every move. Let me ask you this. How many attacks are going to have to take place before you all open your eyes and see what you are saying. I bet if a pitbull attacks one of your children you would change your tune wouldnt you. Look at all the young children that has been attacked by pits and ask your self if you still think they are perfect. When you do this if your answer is still yes then and only then will you know what type of people is at fault the next time it happens.

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You all know where I stand
PB's are the best dog out there.
The SUV of dogs

jlong is just flaming this thread. he/she needs to learn alot more about PB before his opinion is treated as anything more than an uneducated theory. But he is free to post whatever likes, if he reads far enough back he will find the answers withing these threads.

jlong, your argument is weak

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posted 04-13-2003 11:49 PM         

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RUSS
Your comments are stupid.
Name another dog that has attacked and killed more people then a pitbull.

You say they are the SUV of dogs. Im sure thats what type of dog you own too and before you say my opinion is uneducated you might want to sit down and put the time in to read all I have on pitbulls and other breeds. In other words what I am saying is I have already forgot more about dogs then you will probably ever know. Once you get 4 years of collage and other countless hours under your belt while studying to be a vet then you may say I am uneducated. Untill then Ill let the number of pitbull attacks VS other breeds speak for themselves.

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Dog don't "turn", there are always signs that they're going to bite, the problem is that people either don't pay close enough attention to notice, are too ignorant of "dog language" to see, or don't want to admit there's a problem until it's too late and the dog has bitten someone. And then there are the ones who KNOW their dogs are aggressive, but once the dog has bitten, won't tell because they know there could be harsher penalties if it's found out that they knew the dog was dangerous beforehand (the owners of the Presas that killed the woman in SF only got off on manslaughter because it couldn't be proven that they knew the dogs were dangerous, if it could have been, they would have been facing 2nd degree murder charges). Now, who in their right mind would tell someone something like that and face years in jail when they could just "play stupid" and end up getting fined?

And you just prove your ignorance by saying this: "they can and in alot of cases will turn. It has been proven to many times".... hmm... lets compare the ratio of pit bulls that have "turned" (I'll assume that by "turned", you're referring to all that have been involved in fatal attacks, no matter what the circumstances were) vs pit bulls that haven't turned. There have been approximately 60 fatal pit bull attacks since 1979(I think?, if I'm wrong, someone fix it), and there have probably been upwards of 1 million pit bulls alive since 1979 (according to one shelter in detroit, there are over 100,000 "pit bulls" in that state (michigan) alone), so according to that, out of every 100,00 pit bulls, there will be 6 that will attack. While every dog attack is devastating to the victim and their families, or a larger scale, there really isn't much cause for concern. Statistics have shown that you have more chance of being hit by lightning than you do of being killed by a dog of ANY breed... you even have more chances of being killed by a PLASTIC BAG than you do of being killed by a pit bull... better start lining the house in rubber and using paper If a pit bull (or ANY dog) attacks a person without serious provocation (direct threat on owner or themselves), they need to die. It's not typical of the breed, and not acceptable for them to do so. That doesn't mean that the entire breed (whatever breed the dog was) needs to be deemed "aggressive" or "dangerous". Human agressive pit bulls are an anomaly, not to be taken as "normal" for the breed. For you to believe that that type of behavior is typical shows your lack of education concerning the breed.

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posted 04-14-2003 01:25 PM         

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Well said Goob....

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posted 04-14-2003 02:56 PM           

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sorry I crossposted, this was meant for here.

Yes Goob, I like your style.
I am too abrasive, haha

Jlong,
Vets are trained on human anatomy for 4 years and then animal anatomy, not psychology or how to train animals.

If I was a doctor, would I be a psychologist also?

You training to get into the vet field really scares me.

PB aren't perfect. No dog is.
It is 100% the masters liability for the dog, in all cases. If it's a bit timid around people, "DON"T TAKE IT OUT IN PUBLIC"
if it has growled or bitten "PUT A MUZZLE ON IT"
if it is dog aggressive" DON'T TAKE IT TO PUBLIC PARKS"
if it jumps the fence when you let it out to pee " PUT IT ON A LEASH"
if kids poke it through the fence "DON'T LEAVE IT OUTSIDE UNSUPERVISED"

all common sense.

You are not an expert on dogs, let alone PB's.

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posted 04-14-2003 11:47 PM         

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Thanks I agree with what Russ has said, it's important (and absolutely necessary) for a dog owner to know their dog, know their dog's limits as to what it can/will tolerate, and make sure that they do whatever's necessary to keep both the dog and any person/other dog they encounter safe. It's their responsibility, NO ONE elses. It makes me sick to see people blaming dog attacks on the victims, who often did nothing wrong, but had/have to suffer needlessly because irresponsible dog owners don't want to do what they should.

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If I am at a public park with my dogs and I see another dog that is off leash...............
Err... I should say another dog that shows up after I have already established my presence there.

I RUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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