A||||14||rgyoung777||jlong--some questions for you, and a few comments/suggestions||||1|| Z||000000||rgyoung777||04-14-2003||02:44 PM||||Jlong,
It looks as though you've already stuck your foot in your mouth several times in your brief foray into the world of pit bull related discussions. Your ignorance about the TRUE characteristics of this breed is astonishing and glaringly obvious. Before you get upset that I called you ignorant, let me try to set you straight.
You said:
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You all need to open your eyes and educat yourself a little more on pits before you go saying they are just as good family pets as any other dogs.

There are several problems with this statement, and I have some questions for you. First off--you're right, they are not "just as good family pets as other dogs"--they are BETTER family pets than other dogs. Why do I say such an outrageous thing? Because the American Pit Bull Terrier has been bred for hundreds of years to be incredibly stable and loving towards people. The human bite inhibition, high pain tolerance and extreme biddability these dogs display run parallel to their history as pit fighters and are the things that make these dogs one of the best breeds to own. Don't believe me? Then it is YOU who needs to truly educate yourself on the history of this breed. Better than reading would be to get yourself some first hand experience with the breed--do you have any first-hand experience of this breed?
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Every one of you are saying it is the owners fault when these dogs attack and some times maybe it is but if you would take the time to educate yourself on it alittle you would see that alot of these owners are owners just like you all. Even though you care for your pits with unconditional love and patience they can and in alot of cases will turn.

I would really like to hear what first-hand experience you have with these dogs. Your assertion that the APBT "can and will turn" is one of the biggest myths about this breed. What books and information on the web are you reading that have helped you formulate this very ignorant opinion of the breed?
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Im sure thats what type of dog you own too and before you say my opinion is uneducated you might want to sit down and put the time in to read all I have on pitbulls and other breeds. In other words what I am saying is I have already forgot more about dogs then you will probably ever know. Once you get 4 years of collage and other countless hours under your belt while studying to be a vet then you may say I am uneducated.

You are CLEARLY ignorant about this breed, jlong, and it doesn't matter how many years of schooling you've experienced. No matter how much learning you think you've done, there will always be more that you can learn in this life. What books have you read about this breed?
When someone feels the need to spout their many years of college education in defense of their opinions, their argument pretty much loses all validity for me. I'm also college educated, and have quite a bit of experience in the field of biology. Veterinarians do not generally become experts on dog breeds through their college education. Most veterinarians are not experts on dog breeds--they are experts in animal biology, and physiology, which does not differ from dog breed to dog breed.
If I were you, I would take a look at the experiences that I and other APBT owners like me have had with this breed. We have first-hand knowlege of these dogs, and we have also read MANY books on the breed.
You have a chance to educate yourself about this breed even more, now that you have entered into this forum. There are many knowledgeable APBT owners in this forum who can help you learn more about these dogs than you ever thought possible. The way I see it, you have a choice. You can continue to believe that you are an "expert" when it comes to this breed, or you can swallow your pride and learn some things that you may be ignorant about.
We own this breed. Some of us have owned APBTs for many years, and others are just beginning to experience this peerless breed, but know already that what they have is wonderful. You do not own this breed. Years and years of reading cannot ever replace the truths that we, as owners, have experienced first hand.


||65.105.144.126||reg||1 Z||000001||PITBULL_PRINCESS1979||04-14-2003||03:06 PM||hellish_pitbull_princess@hotmail.com||RG,
Wonderful post!!!I agree with you all the way..Anyone can read a book,but owning a pit bull is completely different.Well said!||63.190.128.31||reg||1 Z||000002||shmoopie||04-14-2003||03:52 PM||shmoopie_1@hotmail.com||rgyoung777

I could kiss you right now!
Thank-you for sharing and to help better educate jlong Not to mention a few others who needed that!

Cheers and welcome to the board

||64.114.150.206||reg||1 Z||000003||fluff/poof||04-14-2003||03:58 PM||||I must have missed the big battle...but I do want to ad this.

The "stories" that we hear about pit bulls attacking people tend to leave out some very important information. Firstly, the majority of the dogs that are labled as "pit" bulls are usually muts of undertermined origion. OR, they are poorly bred pit bulls, of questionable back ground.

Lastly...the number one dog to "turn" on its owner right now, according to statitics at dogbite (I think thats the legal counsil site) is a LABRADOR RETRIEVER.

Because other breeds have not been so closely associated with gang activity and such, they do not get as much "publicity" as the infamous pit bull.

Lastly, the most common dog to turn and bite children, according to the most recent insurance company statistics, are toy breeds such as a shih-tzu, poodle, chihuahua..etc..etc..etc... causing BILLIONS every year in facial damage and needed hospital visits...

||162.40.220.203||unreg||1 Z||000004||rgyoung777||04-14-2003||04:56 PM||||Thanks for the welcome, Shmoopie!
Fluff/poof--I appreciate your level-headedness in this matter!
Since I'm new to this forum, here is a link to my online photo album. http://www.picturetrail.com/rgyoung777
It has pictures of Lucy, my 3 y/o rescued APBT.
For some reason, I can't post a picture on here using the html code I normally use.

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Your baby is so cute!Welcome to the forum!||63.190.145.178||reg||1 Z||000006||shmoopie||04-14-2003||05:57 PM||shmoopie_1@hotmail.com||Beautiful doggies Red nose pitties? They are gorgious either way!

||64.114.150.206||reg||1 Z||000007||jlong||04-14-2003||06:55 PM||matrix_justin1982@hotmail.com||rgyoung777

It is clear that you are just another dumb a*s when it comes to pits. I have bred and raised pits on and off all my life and from my experiance yes they will more often then other breeds become aggresive.

Another thing I see is the fact that your just another one of those people who talks about the history of pits and how great they are just because that is what you have. It is very common that people do this not only with dogs but with anything, trucks, cars, bikes, boats, whatever it may be it is mans nature to say it is the best when its his own. Dumb a*s people like you is who pisses me off by calling me ignorant when it is your type that just keeps defending these dogs when they attack. Anyone can raise a dog and claim that they know all about the breed and I am by no means saying I am the smartest on this breed or any other I am just saying that people just like YOU need to get your head out of your god d%#n head out of your a*s and realize that these dogs are among the highest in risk. And for another thing I never said sh#t about the history of a pit and how they have always been fighting dogs. Believe it or not I am a big fan of a pitbull, I think they are very well made animals and yes a bigger percentage of them then not does make great pets but it is that other percent that stupid people like you need to open up to and EDUCATE your self on.
So the next time you decide your goin to be billy bad ass and jump on me for speaking the truth you better think about how much you have read on the both sides of these dogs and not just the good part.

||216.24.104.65||reg||1 Z||000008||shmoopie||04-14-2003||07:54 PM||shmoopie_1@hotmail.com||jlong,

I will ask again, what is your point????

You state that you like them, then that you don't...what are you trying to say because you are very confusing.

WHY ARE YOU CAUSING PEOPLE TO START ARGUING??? Go cause problems elsewhere or learn to conversate like an adult.||64.114.150.206||reg||1 Z||000009||rgyoung777||04-14-2003||09:19 PM||||jlong,
There you go again, putting your foot in your mouth. Looks like you managed to be incredibly insulting while doing so. I won't stoop to your level, but I will offer this suggestion: well-worded rebuttals, full of FACTS and polite language will work far better than defensive, angry, insulting posts brimming with immature language.
I apologize for assuming that you had no experience with APBTs. That being said, your vitriolic response was totally uncalled for. You don't know anything about me, jlong, so how in the world would you know if I was just another "dumba** when it comes to pits"?
Here are a few gems from your last post:

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It is clear that you are just another dumb a*s when it comes to pits. I have bred and raised pits on and off all my life and from my experiance yes they will more often then other breeds become aggresive.

After sifting through the insulting beginning, I come to the end of this and find something worthy of a response. Yes, APBTs will more often than other breeds become DOG AGGRESSIVE. Read that again please. I fully understand and am prepared for the potential threat that my dog poses to other dogs. The properly raised, bred and socialized APBT is probably the LEAST likely breed of dog to pose a danger to human beings. I have seen from your other posts in the general dog forum that you do not differentiate between human and dog aggression, and that's your perogative. Maybe some intensive courses in animal behavior might help you change your misguided view, or maybe it will not. On to the next shameful bit of your angry little post:
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Another thing I see is the fact that your just another one of those people who talks about the history of pits and how great they are just because that is what you have.

All that from my very first post on this forum? Wow. Funny, you're way off base with that. I talk about how great the APBT is because I KNOW how great they are. Do I have breed-related tunnel-vision? Absolutely not. I have had the good fortune to get to know many wonderful breeds of dog in my life, and the APBT is simply the best I have seen. You don't have to agree with me, and I never said you did, did I? I love the bull breeds, and will never own another type of dog. They have everything I want in a dog. Are they perfect? Absolutely not, and there is NO BREED OF DOG OUT THERE THAT IS. The potential for dog aggression is a very real part of this breed, and I was well prepared for it when I chose to adopt an APBT.
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Dumb a*s people like you is who pisses me off by calling me ignorant when it is your type that just keeps defending these dogs when they attack.

Nope. I do not defend dogs that attack people. I absolutely do not defend "pit bulls" that attack people. Why? The true APBT would never attack a human UNLESS he had to do so to protect his owner. The dogs that commit those attacks are not true APBTs in terms of temperament or behavior, for whatever reason. The only dog I defend is my own, and her breed as it is supposed to be. There are many poorly bred, poorly socialized and horribly abused pit bulls out there, and when they do attack people, they absolutely should be euthanized.
I do question every cover story with sensational "pit bull attacks" headlines. That is just a part of the healthy amount of skepticism I possess, and alleged pit bull attacks are far from the only thing I question.
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Anyone can raise a dog and claim that they know all about the breed and I am by no means saying I am the smartest on this breed or any other I am just saying that people just like YOU need to get your head out of your god d%#n head out of your a*s and realize that these dogs are among the highest in risk.

I have never claimed to know everything there is to know about the APBT, and I really have no idea where you got that impression.
Towards the middle of this quote, you get so angry that you cease to make sense. But from what I can garner, you're telling me I have my head up my rear end (in less polite terms, as is your MO, it seems). It's not up my rear. Highest at risk for what, exactly? Highest at risk for displaying aggression? What kind? Dog aggression? I agree. Human aggression? Absolutely not. That is not proper APBT temperament, and never has been. Higest at risk for abuse? Absolutely. Highest at risk for being wrongly portrayed as an uncontrollable, human-aggressive and unstable breed? Yep. The APBT is in the limelight right now, along with the Rottweiler. Before APBTs and Rotties, it was Dobermans and GSDs. Before that, Saint Bernards. Is this justified? Absolutely not.
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Believe it or not I am a big fan of a pitbull, I think they are very well made animals and yes a bigger percentage of them then not does make great pets but it is that other percent that stupid people like you need to open up to and EDUCATE your self on.

jlong, I am not stupid. I have educated myself on this breed. I still see this breed with unbiased eyes. I know that it is not without fault and that many have corrupted the APBT for their own gain and towards their own means. However, those that have done so do not own or breed the true APBT. They breed abominations that are so different from the true APBT that the only thing that they share in common are the most superficial of physical similarities.
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So the next time you decide your goin to be billy bad ass and jump on me for speaking the truth you better think about how much you have read on the both sides of these dogs and not just the good part.

I have read a great deal on both sides of these dogs. My personal experiences with them backs up what I see and know to be the truth. You may have had some seriously bad experiences with exceptionally poor specimens of the breed, but they do not discount my experiences with the ambassadors of the breed. I know the truth of the true temperament of the APBT, because I experience it every day when I come home from work, and every time I visit the APBT/AST rescue for which I volunteer.
I will end this with a quote from Louis Colby, to whom I am eternally grateful for doing his part to preserve the legacy his father created:
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After more than one hundred years of being hailed as the greatest breed of all dogdom by peopole from all walks of life, nothing has been maligned as the American Pit Bull Terrier in the last two decades. The media have projected them as dangerous and unfit companions, particularly for children. Yet, I am the father of nine children who grew up with these dogs (several hundred of them) and there has never been an incident of aggression towards them or their friends.

--Louis Colby, Colby's Book of the American Pit Bull Terrier

By the way, jlong, that quote wasn't intended to convince you of anything, but I used it to illustrate the point of view and experience of someone who has been in the dogs longer than you or I.

[This message has been edited by rgyoung777 (edited 04-14-2003).]||12.242.136.44||reg||1 Z||000010||Russ||04-14-2003||11:28 PM||||Nice posts RG777

I wish I had the patience to dissect apart college boys ignorant uneducated posts.haha

shmoopie, just ignore the idiot, he is only a flamer, here to instigate people.

From his grammar I would think he is doing correspondance courses. Obviously using his own pitiful common sense to teach himself. Trying to get out of the trashy trailer park. He can't even defend himself with english, he only squirms into the quicksand deeper. Can't wait to read your next lame rebuttal jl lol

If I had the option, you would be killfiled JL||64.180.197.240||reg||1 Z||000011||goob||04-14-2003||11:54 PM||||If during your extensive experience with pit bulls, you have found that all of them have been "aggressive", perhaps you need to re-evaluate where you're getting your dogs from. Such temperament is NOT typical of the breed, and if your source is consistently producing human aggressive dogs, then maybe you should consider getting a dog from a more reputable source that breeds for CORRECT temperment. ||68.33.118.50||reg||1 Z||000012||PITBULL_PRINCESS1979||04-15-2003||01:01 PM||hellish_pitbull_princess@hotmail.com||Hey Russ,Goob,RG,Shmoopie,

Just ignore all of these stupid comments.You know stupid people do not like to listen to other people.They think they know everything when they do not know JACK S***!Every one that loves pits knows the true and that they make wonderful pets.Lets not waste our time fighting with some of these dumdie.
||63.188.233.144||reg||1 Z||000013||Russ||04-15-2003||06:52 PM||||Im with ya Princess!!

I do apologize for spamming up the board with my crap directed in Doc/Alberts direction.

Doc came here to tease me because she knows I have a short fuse haha.

Russ,
the human with pitbull mentality/that drives a taxi cab||64.180.197.240||reg||1 Z||000014||tybrax||04-15-2003||07:49 PM||tybrax1@msn.com||wonderful post rgyoung 777.great teacher
Russ 10 points darl
shmoopie you go girl
pit bull princess you tell them.
goob right on.
now tell me where are there any rudness in our post.
jlong your post are ignorant and rude , yes you are a flammer, and you must be enjoying it.l would hate to see how you speak to your family.You need to go back to school and learn how to speak to people with respect.
we all love our dogs,all breeds.

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