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Newton the Cat
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posted 02-22-2004 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Newton the Cat     Edit/Delete Message
This is the third Pearl Gourami that has died within two weeks of me getting him. What could be wrong? Do they have special needs I don't know about? Every site I have went to has said they are great for beginners and easy. My water quality is fine. I checked that and I vacuum every week. I don't get it. All my other gouramis are healthy.

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dianenm
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posted 02-22-2004 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dianenm     Edit/Delete Message
awww I'm sorry.. are you getting them from the same place/same batch? could just be a sick group. I've had my pair for several years with zero problems, so I would guess you are buying them already sick.

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Newton the Cat
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posted 02-22-2004 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Newton the Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Nope, I got them all from different places. I don't get it...

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-22-2004 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
What size is the tank?
How long has it been set up?
What's your filtration?
What exactly are your water parameters (ammonia, nitrIte, nitrAte)?
What other fish are in the tank?
Any signs of illness before death?

-Chelle

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Newton the Cat
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posted 02-23-2004 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Newton the Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Tank - 40 gallons
Set up - since August
Filtration - a bio filter and an H.O.T. Magnum

Water parameters - 0, or no abnormalities.
Other fish are gouramis and a red tailed shark. There are 7 total fish about 1 inch to 2 inches long.

No signs of illness before death. He was swimming happily that morning, even ate his morning meal and then by late afternoon was laying on the bottom of the tank dead..*shrugs*

P.S. It has only been the pearl gouramis that are dropping off. The others are doing fabulous.

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-23-2004 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
Are your nitrAtes also 0? How often do you do water changes & how large are they?

At this point, I really don't know.

-Chelle

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Newton the Cat
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posted 02-23-2004 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Newton the Cat     Edit/Delete Message
OMG peoples, my nitrites are zero as well. Or I would have said otherwise..and if those things are bad, don't all fish get affected? I am just frustrated cause I would really like this fish in my tank. They are beautiful yet they are all dying off. To answer the question about the water changes, I do them once a week with 25 percent taken out and then put back in. I also use water conditioner. It has always worked..i don't know why this type of fish keeps dying.

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-23-2004 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
The reason I asked about the nitrAtes is because they are almost never 0. They are the end product of the nitrogen cycle in aquariums the only ways to remove them is by either doing water changes or having lots of plants.

There aren't any obvious problems that would cause sudden death like that so I honestly don't know why the pearl gouramis are dying. Sorry.

-Chelle

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katanas_edge
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posted 02-23-2004 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katanas_edge     Edit/Delete Message
NTC,
Nitrites and nitrates aren't the same thing. Nitrates are less toxic, but not non-toxic. As far as affecting all your fish, certain species or individual fish can be more susceptible than others. Unless you have anaerobic filtration or some kind of set-up with algae/plant filters you probably have at least some detectable nitrate.

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LeeTron
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posted 02-24-2004 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeTron     Edit/Delete Message
Try getting a male/female pair next time instead of just a single fish. Several of the fish books I have suggest that they will be happier kept as pairs. Otherwise, you just may have had a streak of bad luck. As unlikely as it is, it does happen. Maybe you got old fish and they just passed due to old age. How long do gouramis live? All the documentation I have says things like "easy to keep" and "tolerant of most water conditions" and " a striking fish good for the beginner" when refering to the pearl gourami so I don't think they have any special needs. We have had a single male specimin in a 20 gal community tank with mollys, platys, rasboras, tetras, and a male betta for over a year now and he's doing swimmingly...

good luck

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LeeTron
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posted 02-24-2004 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeTron     Edit/Delete Message
Try getting a male/female pair next time instead of just a single fish. Several of the fish books I have suggest that they will be happier kept as pairs. Otherwise, you just may have had a streak of bad luck. As unlikely as it is, it does happen. Maybe you got old fish and they just passed due to old age. How long do gouramis live? All the documentation I have says things like "easy to keep" and "tolerant of most water conditions" and " a striking fish good for the beginner" when refering to the pearl gourami so I don't think they have any special needs. We have had a single male specimine in a 20 gal community tank with mollys, platys, rasboras, tetras, and a male betta for over a year now and he's doing swimmingly...

good luck

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katanas_edge
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posted 02-24-2004 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katanas_edge     Edit/Delete Message
from liveaquaria.com
"The ideal tank mates for the Pearl Gourami would be similar in size and temperament. They should not be housed with aggressive tank mates, like Cichlids. They will hide in a corner, begin to loose color and may refuse to eat if kept with overly aggressive fish."

Red-tailed sharks and certain gouramies are semi-aggressive. I wouldn't advise getting another pearl gourami. Red tail sharks require larger tanks than their size would indicate due to their tendency to develop territory. Again, liveaquaria recommends a 50 gallon tank - although I've never kept re-tails personally.

For gouramis you should also have lots of plant cover

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Roxy4eva
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posted 02-25-2004 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roxy4eva     Edit/Delete Message
Hi,
i know that with the pearl Gouramis and their attractive tail, they are prone to their tails being nipped at by other tank mates. I have had a problem like this with my other attractive/long-tailed fishes. And too much nipping will often lead to death.
Just a quick tip, hope it helps!

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