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snickers24
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posted 02-18-2004 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snickers24     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, first don't give me a hard time for asking this question, I didn't ask to watch these fish. My dad asked me to take care of his 3 goldfish while he went on a 3 month vacation. One of the things one fish has been doing lately is swimming up to the pump and subsequently her fins have gotten stuck inside. She is now swimming on her side a lot and merely floats around the tank except at feeding time when she manages to swim around normally to get food (this has been going on for a about a week but her first fin/pump encouter was a couple of weeks ago).

This morning her fins were stuck in the pump again and this time they are all bloody. I think I should just put her down, I don't know if she is in pain or what??? I need some advice please. I have a Ziplock filled with water in the sink and am ready to put her in and then into the freezer but I feel pretty horrible about it. I just don't know if her fins can be repaired and the petsore is cloesd and I gotta get to work in a couple of hours. Thanks for any advice.

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grnlemonade
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posted 02-18-2004 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grnlemonade     Edit/Delete Message
is the body bloody or just the fins? if the body is bloody, then sorry, sounds like the fish mite die.

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snickers24
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posted 02-18-2004 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snickers24     Edit/Delete Message
Just the fins but they look pretty sharred.

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-18-2004 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
Try treating it with a product called Melafix. It is a really good medication for helping wounds heal. Fins do take a while to heal, though. I'd say that if the fish is so bad it can't eat, then euthanasia probably is best. Here's a very good article on the most humane forms of euthanasia. http://www.oscarfish.com/cms_view_article.php?aid=13

To prevent future injuries, you can get a prefilter for the intake (basically a sponge that covers the intake) or just take some pantyhose and put it on the intake. That way the fins can't get caught.

-Chelle

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snickers24
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posted 02-18-2004 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snickers24     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Chelle, she is still eating but she just can't swim very well. I put her in a bowl from the kitchen. I'll go to the petstore after work and pick up some medicine. I'll also cover the pump. Do you know how long could it take before the fins heal? They are pretty banged up from getting sucked into the pump.

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-18-2004 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
I had a guppy that ended up losing half of his tail fin and it took a couple months to grow back.

Also, I really wouldn't leave it in a bowl for more than a few hours. Ammonia will build up very quickly w/o any filtration. After you get the intake covered, the fish would be better off back in the tank. You can treat the whole tank with Melafix; it won't hurt the other fish.

-Chelle

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snickers24
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posted 02-18-2004 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snickers24     Edit/Delete Message
The only reason I took her out is because one of the other larger guppies is nipping at her. I think he just wants her to move around but then he also seems to enjoy nipping at her bottom. I hope putting her back in the tank doesn't stress her out but I have no idea so I will take your word. I'll turn the oxygen pump off until I can get it covered.

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snickers24
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posted 02-18-2004 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snickers24     Edit/Delete Message
Chelle - I did add a tiny bit of "Stress Coat" to her temporary bowl. It's a water conditioner and helps fins, although it says it's not a medication. Will that help, as far as decreasing any ammonia? I just feel she is better off in the bowl because she is getting a break from the other two goldfish, especially the larger one who won't let her rest.

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-18-2004 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
Nope, Stress Coat will not remove ammonia. When you go to the store to get the melafix, see if they have a tank divider. Then you can keep her in the tank but have her seperate from the other fish.

-Chelle

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katanas_edge
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posted 02-18-2004 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katanas_edge     Edit/Delete Message
A couple of notes,

When you cover the pump opening, make sure that it won't either get sucked into the pump or block the intake. Without knowing what kind of filter it is, I'd recommend the pantyhose in the short term.

The stress coat will not help with ammonia unfortunately. However, I wouldn't necessarily put her back in the tank as will likely be harrassed and is apparently unable to swim against the current of the pump. The bowl is too small.

Get a 5 gallon pail, or equivalent, and make sure it's clean (washed and rinsed very well). Add some gravel from your tank to the bottom, an airstone and one of the little air pump controlled sponge filters you can buy from Wal art for $8-10. This is your hospital tank! You will have to change the water (1-2 gallons) frequently (2 days or so) for a little while while the pail cycles.

Stress coat is good to treat it with. I've never used MelaFix, but it is fairly popular and has a good reputation. Read intructions carefully.

Lastly, how big are your goldfish and how big is the tank? Are there also guppies present? GF are not aggressive, but if they're overcrowded they may get defensive.

[This message has been edited by katanas_edge (edited 02-18-2004).]

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-18-2004 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
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Get a 5 gallon pail, or equivalent, and make sure it's clean (washed and rinsed very well). Add some gravel from your tank to the bottom, an airstone and one of the little air pump controlled sponge filters you can buy from Wal art for $8-10. This is your hospital tank! You will have to change the water (1-2 gallons) frequently (2 days or so) for a little while while the pail cycles.

That's what I do for hospital tanks too. I don't know why I didn't think of mentioning it.

-Chelle

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snickers24
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posted 02-18-2004 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snickers24     Edit/Delete Message
The hurt goldfish is about 1 1/2 inches, a white one with the orange tumor looking thing on her head. I call it her "party hat." I went to Petco and picked up the Melafix (it's tea tree oil, imagine that). I also got a sponge to put over the air pump intake. I was also told to buy some bloodworms to help the fish poop in case the hurt one especially had taken on some air and that's why she was floating on her side so much. The clerk told me to make sure I stir the flakes in the tank as the fish can get air if they have to gulp the flakes from the top. She said the blood worms would help the fish poop and allow any air to be released that way. And I thought these fish pooped enough already, but we'll see.

I put the fish with the damaged fins in a small tank. I think it holds only a gallon but I will change out the water every day. She recommended keeping the fish in there for only a few days and then putting her back in the tank with the other two. This I'm not too sure about. She seems to be doing a little better actually since I added the Melafix and she ate a small piece of the bloodworm (yuk), maybe it's just my imagination.

The other two goldfish are about 1 1/2" and 2" in size. Not too big, I think they all get along fairly well except the larger one has had an obsession with the anal area of the fish that's hurt.

I almost put this hurt fishin the freezer today and had it not been for this board and the advice from Chelle, she would have been long gone. You saved a life today! lol. I happened to find this board this a.m. as a google search. Glad I did.

Thanks again,
Claudia

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-18-2004 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
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I was also told to buy some bloodworms to help the fish poop in case the hurt one especially had taken on some air and that's why she was floating on her side so much. The clerk told me to make sure I stir the flakes in the tank as the fish can get air if they have to gulp the flakes from the top. She said the blood worms would help the fish poop and allow any air to be released that way. And I thought these fish pooped enough already, but we'll see.

I've never heard of bloodworms being a laxative before, but other than that, it does seem the clerk knew what she was talking about. Fancy goldfish tend to get constipated and when that happens, they can't release gas from their swim bladders so they end up floating. Shelled peas are a good laxative for fish. Just take a couple frozen peas, microwave them for a few seconds, remove the shells, and feed. And soaking their food in tank water before feeding allows the food a chance to expand outside of the fish rather than inside.

And for future reference, never euthanize a fish by putting it in the freezer. It's not considered humane.

Good luck. I hope she get's better quickly.

-Chelle

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snickers24
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posted 02-19-2004 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snickers24     Edit/Delete Message
My goldfish died.

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-19-2004 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
I'm really sorry.

-Chelle

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