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cichlids small Jaws Member  Posts: 255 |
posted 02-16-2004 11:37 AM
 
my Lutino Oscar about 2.5" looks sick... no external symptoms except for lathargic behavior(lol i know bad slpelling)?? dosnt seem like he has a hard time breathing like normal stoped eating.. all other fish are fine including my 1 inch baby oscar... help his fins arnt torn or anything but his scin looks sorta scruffy not like a fungus or velvit just looks sorta agitated or somthing hard to describe.. he swims around a littel but dosnt seam to eat at all... ill try to get a pic. ------------------ [This message has been edited by cichlids small Jaws (edited 02-16-2004).] IP: Logged |
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t_chelle16 Member Posts: 501 |
posted 02-16-2004 01:36 PM
Could be due to poor water conditions. What size is the tank? -Chelle IP: Logged |
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cichlids small Jaws Member Posts: 255 |
posted 02-16-2004 05:29 PM
2 oscars 2 silver dollers 2 convicts 80 galon yes i did cycle it faluva 304 and a Ac150 just for the good meadea and im gonna buy a emporer?? the bigest 1 with bio weal i have to get a test kit water is cristal clean i try doing a 10-15% water change every 3erd day or a 25% change every sunday all the other fish are thriving (growing fast) and showing more colour but this oscar after atacking 1 of my other fish looks sick hiding in a pot...still eats but not much! hes still only a baby... alittle better now but not much the temp is 76-77.. he has black fins but i think that is his breed... cuz all the other 1's at the pet shop looked the same... breathing is normal eyes arnt bulging dosnt have hith.. looks a little more searious then just moaping to me.. i added a recomended doase of Stresse coat to help untill i find out whats rong ill bring my water into the pet shop to get it tested... if anything comes to mind it is apreaceated ------------------ IP: Logged |
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t_chelle16 Member Posts: 501 |
posted 02-16-2004 05:55 PM
Well, it sounds like you have adequate filtration and are good about water changes so it may not be the water quality, but just to be on the safe side, definitely get it checked. And FWIW, ammonia, nitrIte, and nitrAte, are all clear so just because the water looks clear, that doesn't necessarily mean it is safe. Also, by the time all those fish start to mature, you'll really want to keep a close eye on your water parameters because you will really be pushing the limit of the tank as far as bioload is concerned. But if you have good filtration, keep up with the water changes, and the fish get along, it might work. As for your oscar, I'm really not sure what it could be. Have you changed anything in the tank recently? Moved decorations? Added new fish? Could you post a pic of the area that looks "scruffy"? Hunger strikes are fairly common with oscars (mine once went 2 months eating maybe one pellet a day because they wanted earthworms and I didn't have any). Maybe the fish he had been picking on turned on him and now he's pouting. I'm really at a loss right now. -Chelle IP: Logged |
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cichlids small Jaws Member Posts: 255 |
posted 02-16-2004 07:31 PM
this is him i say scruffy cuz he looks like he needs a shower his black fins are slowly making his body look like it has black spots starting in from his fins is this normal?? cuz his black is getting more and more definds here is a pic  ------------------ IP: Logged |
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cichlids small Jaws Member Posts: 255 |
posted 02-16-2004 07:34 PM
its not showing you can see the pic on my poor web sight (the goramie is in the 20 bal and the pink con are with him) the fire mouth is the 1 the oscar killed after doing so he got sick... heres the sight thanks a lot chelle http://www.geocities.com/fishpage_jakes/Das_page.html hes at the bottem ------------------ IP: Logged |
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t_chelle16 Member Posts: 501 |
posted 02-16-2004 07:35 PM
Is it just the lighting or does the rest of his body have a green tint? -Chelle IP: Logged |
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cichlids small Jaws Member Posts: 255 |
posted 02-16-2004 08:10 PM
its the lighting realy bad camera... his fins are black and the base of the fins are black and then go ito black specals then iinto the white and orng paderin. hes hiding in my male convics house and it protecs him form the other oscar witch is extreamly into envestigating. he has a small white dot on 1 of his pectoral fins looks like ich.. chould this little start of the infection be causing his "moaping". a bout 2 days befor the simtoms i re aranged the decor of the tank? his lips look sorta yellowy?? is that a sing of illness other then his ich spot. ill medicate the tank tomarrow when i pick up the ich meds or is it ok to add salt and incress temp?? i dont want to stress him more sorry for the fragmentation of the sentences gramer was never my forta ------------------ IP: Logged |
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t_chelle16 Member Posts: 501 |
posted 02-16-2004 08:27 PM
The black fins is normal for lutinos. I asked about the green because it almost looked like he was a REALLY pale tiger oscar, but the way you describe him, he definitely sounds like a lutino. Rearranging a tank will often make oscars sulk so that could be part of the problem. It could also be ich so I would try raising the temp and adding the salt and keep a close eye on him for the next couple of days. -Chelle IP: Logged |
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cichlids small Jaws Member Posts: 255 |
posted 02-16-2004 08:45 PM
alright what do i do after i clear up the ich and he still like that?? the yellowey lips sorta scare me is their any illness that makes their lips look like a pail yellow colour?? the tank i got him out of at the lfs was in bad condition! a felt sorry for him cuz the lady said they were haveing a problem with the heater... next day the heater killed off most of the other oscars... could the heat changes before i got him to a stable tank had an efect on his well being? i hope im not fighting a losing battle... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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t_chelle16 Member Posts: 501 |
posted 02-16-2004 09:13 PM
In that pic the lips really don't look yellow to me. Could you get a better pic? Is it fuzzy or just a yellow color? The temperature changes probably did stress him out some and weakened his immune system. For now, I would just treat for ich and keep an eye on his mouth. -Chelle IP: Logged |
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cichlids small Jaws Member Posts: 255 |
posted 02-16-2004 10:19 PM
it looks like bone collor on fake skelletons that weird yellow ill try a new pic.. ran out of bateries almost looks like his skin turnd transparent but its just his lips yesterday he killed my FM before i went to bed i saw them lip locking but when i woak up he the Fm was no more... could it be just like battle woonds i added stress coat and he percked up alittle ill try to get anouther pic thanks for all the help!!
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kc5gvn Moderator Posts: 806 |
posted 02-17-2004 12:14 AM
Hi cichlids small jaws, With regard to a malfunctioning heater: The increased temperature depletes the oxygen saturation in the water especially in the normally overcrowded tanks at a pet shop. When this happens the fish will start breathing rapidly to process oxygen from the water. The rapid breathing will actually cause damage to the gill plates. The fact that he seems to breathing normally now is a good sign that too much damage hasn't been done. I can't tell from your posts how long you have had him in a good environment, but every day that he makes it in your tank is a better sign of recovery. IP: Logged |
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Oddfisharebest Member Posts: 21 |
posted 02-17-2004 12:47 AM
I'm cichlid small jaws' friend, and I was with him when he got this oscar, he's had him/her for between 1 and 2 weeks, I cant remember exactly when, he knows for sure. I cant make any real facts on his appearance and stuff, but I can say, from my perspective, the day before he had the midnight snack of firemouth, he was swimming around normally and stuff, then when I came over the next day, after he had the firemouth, we looked around the tank, and found him lying between some decorations just above the substrate, just like cichlid small jaws describes him, and all he's done since then that I've noticed, is move over into the pot he mentions IP: Logged |
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t_chelle16 Member Posts: 501 |
posted 02-17-2004 08:22 AM
quote: It could just be a bruise. I know my red/tiger oscar gets bruises when he bangs himself on decorations. They show up as spots that are a couple shades darker than his normal coloration. I've never my lutino get a bruise but I'm guessing that on a white fish it might show up as yellow. -Chelle IP: Logged |
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cichlids small Jaws Member Posts: 255 |
posted 02-17-2004 09:43 AM
alright thanks every 1 he comes out and eats when the lights are off so im guessing he will be ok.. im just treating for ich now with salt and increas temp ------------------ IP: Logged |
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