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jamin_rb
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posted 02-14-2004 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jamin_rb     Edit/Delete Message
iam going to buy a rb and iam going to need some food. So iam going to try to raise feeder fish (guppies) and i need to know what to do in order to do this

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grnlemonade
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posted 02-14-2004 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grnlemonade     Edit/Delete Message
u should buy a seperate tank, add sum aquarium salt, but not much (1 tablespoon every 5-10 gallons) get a heater and keep it around 78-82 degrees. also, buy a group of them with a ratio of more females to males n that is all i can think of rite now. the other posters will help fill in the gaps i left on this.

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Caldinye
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posted 02-14-2004 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Caldinye     Edit/Delete Message
I'd look up convict for breeding. Put some in water and they breed, is what i keep hearing. One site said "They mate like rabbits"

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-14-2004 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
What I do as an alternative to feeder fish is raise triops. They are small crustaceans that look like miniature horseshoe crabs. You should be able to get the basic kit at Walmart for about $4. For the most part you can follow the instructions their care. They live 20 - 90 days (my experience is about 60 days).

When they are large enough to withstand water changes, I transfer them to a larger container with a layer of sand so they can lay their eggs. I let them get at least 1" before feeding them to my fish and keep one in a separate container until it dies of old age.

After the others have been fed to the fish, I let the sand dry for about a week, then put some in about 1 liter of water and in a couple days I have more baby triops. If for some reason, that batch doesn't yeild any new triops, I have the 1 triop that I separated that's still alive and laying eggs as a backup.

For me, the original kit yielded 7 triops. From those I started out with over 40 baby triops which I separated into 3 1 gallon bins. By the time they reached 1", they started trying to kill eachother so I wouldn't recommend keeping more than 5 in 1 gallon of water for very long.

The kit comes with triop food, but I've found that they will also eat flake food. You don't really need an actual aquarium; plastic storage bins work fine. And as long as the room they are in is fairly warm >70*, you won't need a heater and you don't really need a filter if you're willing to do 100% water changes (5 1" triops in a 1 gallon container need 100% water changes every 2 - 3 days). I just hatched my 3rd batch a couple days ago so this time I'm going to try keeping them in a 15 gallon storage bin. Hopefully they won't try killing eachother and I won't have to do quite as many water changes. Also, even though the instructions keep stressing that you can only use spring water, I've been using plain dechlorinated tap water and haven't had any problems.

And even if you don't want to use them as feeders, they are pretty cool looking.

-Chelle

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jamin_rb
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posted 02-15-2004 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jamin_rb     Edit/Delete Message
Are those things safe casue if there are safe to feed to a rb i have some at my house but i havent started anything with them yet they havent hatched yet cause i never put them in water but heres the question for u my cozin had some of those and all they would do is when they would hatch they would eat each other how am i suposed to breed them if theres only one left cause he ate all the others do i have to seperate all of them?
how would they breed if there not together and if i dont have sand will aquirum rock work????

help he out iam a newb

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-15-2004 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
I started feeding them to my oscars back in November and haven't had any problems. I really don't think it's different than feeding them live shrimp.

As for breeding them, they use both bisexual and hermaphroditic reproduction so they don't necessarily need a male in order to reproduce. You can tell when they start laying eggs because they will develop yellow egg sacks just behind the carapace. And I'm not sure about using gravel. I've tried using acrylic beads (specifically made for aquariums), but didn't have any luck. You can get some playground sand for really cheap, just rinse it out good before using it. And if they're eating eachother, I'd try either putting them in a bigger container or using several containers.

-Chelle

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rebel
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posted 02-16-2004 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rebel     Edit/Delete Message
i would not use feeders to feed pirahas i would use minnows they don't have diease like feeder goldfish i hope you would consider using minnows talk to you later.

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t_chelle16
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posted 02-16-2004 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for t_chelle16     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
i would use minnows they don't have diease like feeder goldfish

Minnows can carry disease just as well as goldfish. They're fish and like all fish, if they're kept in poor conditions (like most feeder/bait fish are), they're going to be sick.

-Chelle

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