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concerned Member Posts: 60 |
posted 01-29-2004 06:23 PM
what is the most humane way to put a fish down that is suffering? IP: Logged |
brookdawg24 Member Posts: 29 |
posted 01-29-2004 08:32 PM
FLUSH HIM IP: Logged |
friendly to fish Member Posts: 61 |
posted 01-29-2004 11:09 PM
I hate to say this but flush is kinda harsh. Cant tell you for sure but would make the fish sick and his death would be miserable. I would suggest cutting the head of clean and quickly. He doesnt suffer that way. And have some sympothy the guy/gal is loosing a fish. To some people it is like loosing a close friend. IP: Logged |
Papagorgio Member Posts: 11 |
posted 01-30-2004 01:19 AM
Net the sick fish an put it in a bag like the fish store does. Then put it in the frezzer. The fish dies quick and with little pain. IP: Logged |
ickleady Member Posts: 11 |
posted 01-30-2004 11:34 AM
Are these people serious, whats wrong with it? Used any treatment? IP: Logged |
Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 01-30-2004 12:41 PM
Whats wrong with the fish? IP: Logged |
LeeTron Member Posts: 104 |
posted 01-31-2004 09:44 AM
Sever the fish's head just behind the gill flap with the sharpest knife you have in the house. Euthanasia is never easy but sometimes necessary if your fish is too old or far gone to respond to treatment. Exhaust all other options first, but remember: If you keep fish, you will have to do this at some point. Keeping fish is a god-like pursuit. They depend on YOU for everything and sometimes this includes ending unnecessary suffering. Sorry for your dilemma. Good luck IP: Logged |
gr8fuljames Member Posts: 277 |
posted 01-31-2004 10:02 AM
Culling Methods The preferred method of culling fish would be to use the culls as a food source. In other words, feeding the culls to larger fish or other animals. While this may sound harsh to some it should be remembered that this happens in nature all the time. Most are eaten by larger fish or other predators. It is nature's way of ensuring that only the strongest will survive to propagate the species. Another widespread culling method that has been used for many years is to place the fish in a bag or small container and put it in the refrigerator or freezer. As the water temperature drops the fish's metabolism slows down until the fish dies. It is considered to be a humane and painless death for the fish. Another method that is used is to place ice cubes in water and allow the water to get very cold. The fish are then placed in the water and will expire in a few seconds. It is also considered humane because of how quickly the fish expire. It is important to keep adding ice to the water so it is not allowed to warm. If the water is not ice cold it will take longer for the fish to die which is not as humane. Sedative type drugs can also be used to cull fish. One such formula is 1 cc of pure clove oil to 9 cc's of vodka mixed with one gallon of water. With this method the fish is basically sedated to death. It takes approximately 10 minutes for a quarter size angel to expire. The smell of clove oil will permeate any bucket with the smell as well as anything it comes in contact with including your skin so caution should be exercised. While there are many other culling methods available, I suggest you find the most humane method you feel comfortable with. Flushing them down the toilet is not recommended nor are some of the other more brutal methods.
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concerned Member Posts: 60 |
posted 01-31-2004 11:43 AM
I have not come to the point of having to put one down...I am treating it right now. It just made me think that if it should come to that in the future, with this fish or another, that I would have asked ahead of time and gotten advice in case it had to be done soon. I am new to the fish hobby and am trying to educate myself in all aspects. Thank you for your advice. IP: Logged |
LeeTron Member Posts: 104 |
posted 01-31-2004 04:10 PM
If your fish is suffering because of disease or parisites, DO NOT use its remains as a food source for other fish. You could easily pass on the disease/parasite and wind up having to euthanize even more fish. bon chance IP: Logged |
brookdawg24 Member Posts: 29 |
posted 01-31-2004 10:52 PM
im sorry but u say flushing the fish is bad well what do you think cutting off his head his????? give him the FLUSHAROOOOOOOOOOO IP: Logged |
tuttifrutti Member Posts: 478 |
posted 02-01-2004 05:28 AM
cutting his head off, he dies automatically, flushing him, he is alive, going through all of the pipes, until it is either just too much or something in the water kills him. IP: Logged |
dvross Member Posts: 78 |
posted 02-01-2004 09:44 PM
Well, it's too late now but in the future, the toilet is a poor choice. It's inhumane and it does not even euthanize the fish. You might as well chuck it in the rose bushes. http://www.oscarfish.com/cms_view_article.php?aid=13 Euthanasia The term euthanasia is derived from the Greek terms eu meaning good and thanatos meaning death. A “good death” would be one that occurs with minimal pain and distress. Euthanasia is the act of inducing humane death in an animal. It is our responsibility to ensure that if an animal’s life is to be taken, it is done with the highest degree of respect, and with an emphasis on making the death as painless and distress free as possible. Euthanasia techniques should result in rapid loss of consciousness followed by cardiac or respiratory arrest and the ultimate loss of brain function. In addition, the technique should minimize distress and anxiety experienced by the animal prior to loss of consciousness. Euthanatizing agents cause death by three basic mechanisms: 1. Hypoxia - direct or indirect HYPOXIA - Agents that induce death by direct or indirect hypoxia, which is defined as an insufficient amount of oxygen reaching tissues despite the presence of oxygenated blood, can act at various sites and can cause loss of consciousness at different rates. For death to be painless and distress-free, loss of consciousness should precede loss of motor activity (muscle movement). Loss of motor activity, however, cannot be equated with loss of consciousness and absence of distress. Thus, agents that induce muscle paralysis without loss of consciousness are not acceptable as sole agents for euthanasia (eg, depolarizing and nondepolarizing muscle relaxants, strychnine, nicotine, and magnesium salts). With other techniques that induce hypoxia, some animals may have motor activity following loss of consciousness, but this is reflex activity and is not perceived by the animal. DIRECT DEPRESSION - A second group of euthanatizing agents depress nerve cells of the brain, inducing loss of consciousness followed by death. Some of these agents release inhibition of motor activity during the first stage of anesthesia, resulting in a so-called excitement or delirium phase, during which there may be some muscle contraction. These responses do not appear to be purposeful. Death follows loss of consciousness, and is attributable to cardiac arrest and/or hypoxemia following direct depression of respiratory centers. PHYSICAL DISRUPTION - Physical disruption of brain activity, caused by concussion, direct destruction of the brain, or electrical depolarization of neurons, induces rapid loss of consciousness. Death occurs because of destruction of midbrain centers controlling cardiac and respiratory activity or as a result of adjunctive methods (e.g., exsanguinations or “loss of blood”) used to kill the animal. Exaggerated muscular activity can follow loss of consciousness and, although this may disturb some observers, the animal is not experiencing pain or distress. Classification of Methods Acceptable - (Methods that consistently produce a humane death when used as the sole means of euthanasia)
TRICAINE METHANE SULFONATE (MS 222, TMS) BARBITURATES CO2 BENZOCAINE HCL (via immersion) Conditionally Acceptable 1. Decapitation Not Acceptable COOLING/FREEZING - There is no evidence that whole body cooling reduces pain or is clinically efficacious when used as an adjunct to physical methods of euthanasia in ectothermic animals. Freezing of un-anesthetized animals is not acceptable as a method of euthanasia. Rapid freezing (in liquid nitrogen) of deeply anesthetized animals is acceptable. AIR EMBOLISM - Air embolism may be accompanied by convulsions, opisthotonos, and vocalization. If used, it should be done only in anesthetized animals. BLOW TO THE HEAD - Unacceptable practice for most species. BURNING - Chemical or thermal burning of an animal is not an acceptable method of euthanasia. CHLOROFORM - Chloroform is a known hepatotoxin and suspected carcinogen and, therefore, is extremely hazardous to personnel. CYANIDE - Cyanide poses an extreme danger to personnel and the manner of death is aesthetically objectionable. DECOMPRESSION - Decompression is unacceptable for euthanasia because of numerous disadvantages. Many chambers are designed to produce decompression at a rate 15 to 60 times faster than that recommended as optimum for animals, resulting in pain and distress attributable to expanding gases trapped in body cavities. Immature animals are tolerant of hypoxia, and longer periods of decompression are required before respiration ceases. Accidental recompression, with recovery of injured animals, can occur. Bleeding, vomiting, convulsions, urination, and defecation, which are aesthetically unpleasant, may develop in unconscious animals. DROWNING - Drowning is not a means of euthanasia and is inhumane. EXSANGUINATION - Because of the anxiety associated with extreme hypovolemia, exsanguinations - should be done only in sedated, stunned, or anesthetized animals. FORMALIN - Direct immersion of an animal into formalin, as a means of euthanasia, is inhumane. HOUSEHOLD AGENTS - Household products and solvents Acetone, quaternary compounds (including CCl4), laxatives, clove oil, dimethylketone, and quaternary ammonium products*, antacids, and other commercial and household products or solvents are not acceptable agents for euthanasia. HYPOTHERMIA - Hypothermia is not an appropriate method of euthanasia. NEUROMUSCULAR BLOCKING AGENTS - When used alone, these drugs all cause respiratory arrest before loss of consciousness, so the animal may perceive pain and distress after it is immobilized. (Nicotine, magnesium sulfate, potassium chloride, all curariform agents) RAPID FREEZING - Rapid freezing as a sole means of euthanasia is not considered to be humane. If used, animals should be anesthetized prior to freezing. STRYCHNINE - Strychnine causes violent convulsions and painful muscle contractions. STUNNING - Stunning may render an animal unconscious, but it is not a method of euthanasia Adjunctive STUNNING/PITHING - Stunning and pithing, when properly done, induce loss of consciousness but do not ensure death. Therefore, these methods must be used only in conjunction with other procedures, such as pharmacologic agents, Exsanguination, or decapitation to euthanatize the animal. EXSANGUINATION - Exsanguination can be used to ensure death subsequent to stunning, or in otherwise unconscious animals. Because anxiety is associated with extreme hypovolemia, exsanguination must not be used as a sole means of euthanasia. Animals may be exsanguinated to obtain blood products, but only when they are sedated, stunned, or anesthetized. STUNNING - Animals may be stunned by a blow to the head, by use of a non-penetrating captive bolt, or by use of electric current. Stunning must be followed immediately by a method that ensures death. With stunning, evaluating loss of consciousness is difficult, but it is usually associated with a loss of the menace or blink response, pupillary dilatation, and a loss of coordinated movements. BLOW TO THE HEAD - Stunning by a blow to the head is used primarily in small laboratory animals with thin craniums.9,173-175 A single sharp blow must be delivered to the central skull bones with sufficient force to produce immediate depression of the central nervous system. When properly done, consciousness is lost rapidly. ELECTRICAL STUNNING - Alternating electrical current has been used for stunning species such as dogs, cattle, sheep, goats, hogs, fish and chickens. Experiments with dogs have identified a need to direct the electrical current through the brain to induce rapid loss of consciousness. In dogs, when electricity passes only between fore- and hind limbs or neck and feet, it causes the heart to fibrillate but does not induce sudden loss of consciousness.139 For electrical stunning of any animal, an apparatus that applies electrodes to opposite sides of the head, or in another way directs electrical current immediately through the brain, is necessary to induce rapid loss of consciousness. Attachment of electrodes and animal restraint can pose problems with this form of stunning. Signs of effective electrical stunning are extension of the limbs, opisthotonos, downward rotation of the eyeballs, and tonic spasm changing to clonic spasm, with eventual muscle flaccidity. Electrical stunning should be followed promptly by electrically induced cardiac fibrillation, exsanguination, or other appropriate methods to ensure death. PITHING - In general, pithing is used as an adjunctive procedure to ensure death in an animal that has been rendered unconscious by other means. For some species, such as frogs, with anatomic features that facilitate easy access to the central nervous system, pithing may be used as a sole means of euthanasia, but an anesthetic overdose is a more suitable method.
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idgaf15 Member Posts: 13 |
posted 02-01-2004 11:32 PM
JUST GIVE THEM THE FLUSH THEIR FISH THEY DONT CARE IP: Logged |
dvross Member Posts: 78 |
posted 02-02-2004 10:22 AM
And apparently neither do you. If you can't give competent information you'd do well to just listen. Someone looking for actual humane methods of euthanasia might just take you seriously. IP: Logged |
angelgirl2003 Member Posts: 59 |
posted 02-02-2004 12:23 PM
attaboy dvross. Aren't you glad I requested you to check this site out? IP: Logged |
red devil 2 Member Posts: 200 |
posted 02-02-2004 01:32 PM
is this some kind of sick pet owner chat box treat it i mean if hes going to be sick at least let him have a peaceful death. IP: Logged |
TL1031 Member Posts: 100 |
posted 02-02-2004 05:45 PM
i think some of you are out of your mind.. espeically those who feel that flushing and or letting it suffer is ok IP: Logged |
concerned Member Posts: 60 |
posted 02-03-2004 06:44 PM
I find amazing the responses that my question have brought up...being a responsible pet owner means educating yourself in ALL areas of pet ownership. Being a responsible pet owner means putting your pets best interest first. Flushing a pet down the toilet is NOT humane! Thank you to all the fellow RESPONSIBLE pet owners for their advice in this matter. Our pets are like our children...totally dependent on us to do the right thing for them. This is a serious responsiblity. IP: Logged |
cichlids small Jaws Member Posts: 255 |
posted 02-03-2004 07:52 PM
Flushing the fish is also bad for the inviroment if it survives some how it could take over and spred well not in canada to dam cold in the winter but down in the us imagine all the game fish eaten buy the nasty cichilds and SUPER gold fish lol.. but you should give the little critty the mose humane death and give it peace it might be hard but if it has to be done you have to do it ------------------ IP: Logged |
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