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chadman311 Member Posts: 12 |
posted 01-06-2004 10:53 AM
i have two oscars living in a 30 gallon tank, there about 4 inches each. They are lip locking and thrashing around all the time now. I have them in a 10 gallon right now because im going off to college and will set up the bigger tank over there. the thing is that the tank gets so dirty in about 2 days, i bought cycle and it seems to work ok, but the crap piles up on the bottom, how do i get all the crap on the bottom gone. I feed them feeder goldfish the small ones. I have a penguin 170 bio wheel type filter. will an undergravel filter work for the crap on the bottom that the filter doesnt suck up? IP: Logged |
katanas_edge Member Posts: 266 |
posted 01-06-2004 12:54 PM
No. The best way is to get a gravel vaccuum (siphon) and clean the gravel when you do water changes (every 2 days should keep the gravel fairly clean). The gravel should be cleaned in your 30 galon in the same way when it is set back up. IP: Logged |
kc5gvn Moderator Posts: 806 |
posted 01-06-2004 02:42 PM
Hi chadman311, Another item you might consider purchasing is an external power filter to clean the tank every 2 or 3 days. I have a personal prefference for Diatom filters. I have used Magnum but had a bad experience with them. The impeller rubbed a hole in the bottom of the plastic canister and I had very clean carpet after vacumming up all the water. With the Diatom the impeller is in the metal motor housing with nothing to wear down. Also using a Diatom with diatomaceous earth will filter out ick, making it very effective when treating a tank for ick. I believe Diatom filters are running in the price range of $100 - $120. Hope this helps. IP: Logged |
puff Member Posts: 98 |
posted 02-12-2004 08:31 AM
i have a blue lobster in my tank, he seems to be cleaning the bottom pretty good, and a percusamus thingy that helps clean the glass and things. theyre thrshing about and liplocking cause they are probably breeding. IP: Logged |
t_chelle16 Member Posts: 501 |
posted 02-12-2004 09:08 AM
First of all, 10 gallon & 30 gallon tanks are WAY too small for 2 oscars. You need a bigger tank ASAP. The reason they're lip locking and thrashing around is because they're territorial fish and they're being cramed into tanks that are simply too small. You said you're getting them a bigger tank which is great, but I hope you're planning on getting a 75 - 100 gallon tank because that's what they'll need. The bare minimum for 2 oscars is a 75 gallon, HOWEVER, that ONLY works if the oscars get along. But since yours are already fighting, it probably won't work so you should aim for at least a 100 gallon. Secondly, Cycle is completely worthless, so don't waste your money on it. It is supposed to be nitrifying bacteria in a bottle. However, it is not refrigerated so by the time you buy it, all that bacteria is dead. Also, Stop giving them feeder fish. That is the #1 way of introducing diseases into your tank. They also provide very little nutritional value for oscars. And, they can't be digested properly so parts of the fish are simply spit out and add to the mess on the bottom of the tank. A MUCH better diet for oscars is a good quality staple food like Hikari Staple & Gold, New Life Spectrum, or HBH Oscar Show. Your filtration is inadequate. Normally a Penguin 170 would be great for a 10 gallon, however, yours is WAY overstocked with VERY messy fish. And the only thing an undergravel filter will do is trap the mess on the bottom of the tank in the gravel. They're also no recommended for oscars because oscars like to dig and will render it useless. Vacuuming the gravel will help, but the tank is still overstocked and you're just going to run into more problems (and possibly the death of your fish) if you don't get a bigger tank now. A 10 gallon or even 30 gallon tank is much too small for 2 fish that are going to get 14+ inches. -Chelle IP: Logged |
chadman311 Member Posts: 12 |
posted 02-12-2004 12:24 PM
thanks for the help, I just got another penguin 125 so i got a 170 and 125 running at the same time. thanks for the help. The fish get along great, they dont really fight, but last night one of the oscars was floatingat the top and i thought he was dead and i pet him and he did a free willy out of the tank and onto the floor. he landed on my bed! hes ok though hes swimming around. They act weird at nights changing color and all. thanks for the help IP: Logged |
t_chelle16 Member Posts: 501 |
posted 02-12-2004 02:26 PM
That still doesn't change the fact that the tank is WAY too small for those fish. Even if you have enough filtration to handle the ammonia they produce, the end product of the nitrogen cycle in an aquarium is nitrAte. When you start getting above 20ppm, it is toxic to the fish and it is also one of the primary causes of HITH disease (both of which will be impossible to treat in that tank and will lead to death). The only way to remove nitrAte is by doing water changes. Normally in a tank that is large enough, there is enough water to dilute the nitrAtes so it will take about a week for them to get up to 20ppm (ie, you can get buy with weekly water changes). A 10 gallon tank is over 7 times smaller than those fish require, so you're going to have to do large water changes AT LEAST every day in order to keep the nitrAtes at a safe level. And that doesn't even account for territory. It is normal for young oscars to get along (just like most elementary school aged kids get along). But once they start maturing (at about 6" - assuming they live that long in a 10 gallon, which isn't likely) the chances of them getting along will greatly decrease and it is highly possible that they will kill eachother. And you stated that they are already locking lips and thrashing around all the time wich is a good sign that they are already not liking eachother. So, I'm going to say it again, you need AT LEAST a 75 gallon tank ASAP. If you can't get one within the next couple of weeks, I suggest that you get rid of the fish and find something more suitable for your tank sizes. I know this sounds harsh, but it's the best thing for the fish. When you bought them, you accepted the responsibility that it takes to provide them with the proper environment and keep them healthy and happy. They are living creatures that depend on you and deserve to be treated well. Trying to keep them in that tank is cruel and by doing so, you are signing their death sentences. -Chelle IP: Logged |
chadman311 Member Posts: 12 |
posted 02-12-2004 07:01 PM
tchelle u make it seem like im a bad person. Im a college student who wanted a pet to keep me company. Im not torture them they live a pretty good life. I know i need a bigger tank. they live perfectly fine for now. i can send u pictures if u want. No store will take them so what am i supposed to do? seriously. IP: Logged |
t_chelle16 Member Posts: 501 |
posted 02-12-2004 07:56 PM
"Im a college student who wanted a pet to keep me company" Well, to put it bluntly, you should have done more research and picked a fish that was more appropriate for your tank. And yes, trying to keep 2 oscars in a 10 gallon tank is cruel. And if fish were covered under animal welfare laws (for some stupid reason, they're not ), that would be considered abuse. It is the same as trying to keep a german shepard locked in a closet. Out of curiosity, what are your water parameters (ammonia, nitrIte, and nitrAte)? I can almost guarantee they are not within acceptable levels. Like I said before, your only choices are to get a bigger tank or get rid of the fish. You can try putting an ad in the paper and give them away. Or if you can't afford an actualy aquarium, you can always get a 50 gallon rubbermaid storage bin (something like THIS) and turn it into a makshift aquarium. It won't look pretty, but it will provide a better environment for the fish and buy you another 3 or 4 months. -Chelle IP: Logged |
chadman311 Member Posts: 12 |
posted 02-12-2004 09:39 PM
oh shoot chelle this is a very old post, I already set them up in a 30 gallon tank and they moved up into a 55. Sorry for the confusion. that 10 gallon tank they used to be in is home to dwarf puffers. all my levels are perfect. IP: Logged |
JustSomeGuy Member Posts: 65 |
posted 02-13-2004 07:12 PM
Just so you know, you will have problems eventually with those 2 oscars in a 55. Simply isnt large enough for them. Just because you keep them in a 55 in itself doesnt make a bad person. Its the point once you have the knowledge of the proper care, and you still choose to ignore it and keep the fish, that makes you a bad fish keeper. The good news is, you are not alone, as a large percentage of people do the same IP: Logged |
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