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Ljacob
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From:Pawtucket RI USA
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posted 12-09-2003 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ljacob     Edit/Delete Message
I'm puzzled..I had the fish since July of this year..I have 2 sunset Gourami's and and 4 tetra's and i had a cory catfish and chinese algee eater..well i ran the light for 12 hrs a day and plus i (WAS) feeding 2 a day.. I'm only feeding 1 a day now.. Well I was getting green slim and I would take the brush and clean it..I thought the algee eater would eat that but not.. well I do the water change every month but the tank to cloudy so i've change it complety and its some what clear so i put a water conditor in it and and and plus i've used PH DOWN for 2 days in a 24hr span..yes i took out the filter..so my question is do I still use the PH Down??? By the way when the PH was high I lost the catfish and the algee eater but the other fish is still swimming and active Please help me...LJ

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katanas_edge
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posted 12-09-2003 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katanas_edge     Edit/Delete Message
Your question requires a little more information. How big is the tank? What kind of filter did you have? Have you tested for ammonia/nitrites? How high is your PH? How large are your water changes? Is your tank near a window?

Your problem should be handled by good tank maintenance. Feed your fish twice a day, but only as much as they can eat in under 5 minutes and then remove remaining food. It will spoil and foul the water. You should do a 20-25% water change weekly, especially with the problems you are experiencing. Mine sometimes goes two weeks, but I have oversized filters and understocked tanks. When changing water, siphon from the bottom of the tank to clean the gravel.

As for algae eaters, chinese algae eaters are not the best choice. They are marginal eaters at best and have a tendency to prefer other foods to algae as they get older. If you like the fish, get a Siamese algae eater. They look similar but are better algae eaters and will also eat red algae if you ever have such a problem. The difficulty is in actually getting the real thing. I had a fish store owner actually tell me that the chines and siamese algae eaters were really the same fish.

My preference for algae eaters is ottocinclus for small tanks or plecostumus for larger.

The cloudiness, if algae, can be controlled with good mechanical filtration and tank maintenance. I am concerned that it may be due to high ammonia levels causing bacterial blooms. This would also relate to your fish dying at a higher PH, as ammonia becomes more toxic as the water becomes more basic (less acidic).

Initially, you can try a larger water change - like 50%, to reduce immediate threats to your fishes health. Remember to use water conditioners and not change the water temperature or PH of the tank too quickly when you do though. After that, regular 25% water changes and an efficient algae eater is your best bet. Let us know how things go. Good luck!

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Ljacob
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posted 12-09-2003 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ljacob     Edit/Delete Message
thanks katanas_edge....well here the infor that you need.. Its a 10 gallon tank. and the filter is a whisper 10-20.. I brang my water to Petco the pet store and they told me that it was to high so at the store i got a jr ph kit and i also got a fresh lab kit that has everything no2/ph/nh3/nh4..well anyways i just test the water again before i started talking to ou..here's the results.. Ammonia is 0.5 and the nitrite is 0.05 and the ph is 7.4.. and the fish tank is on a side wall that there's 2 windows away from the tank..its about 3 ft from each window..and no not next to a heater ethier.. but since i put PH down that the cloudiness is going away... please write back to see if i'm doing it right or not....thanks Lj

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posted 12-09-2003 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kc5gvn     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Ljacob, Don't worry about the PH so much. The most critical factors are the ammonia and nitrites. If these levels are kept low your fish will tolerate a wide range of PH. Also 7.4 is not that bad. My tap water runs betwee 8.2 and 8.4. The waste from your fish will bring down the PH naturally. You didn't specify what color the cloudiness was. Green is Algae, Amber to Brown is ammonia or overfeeding, and White is either bacteria overload or PH burn from acclimating fish too rapidly or changing the PH in the tank too quickly. As katanas_edge stated good tank maintenance should solve most all of your problems. You probably will want to cut back on the amount of time you run the lights to help eliminate your algae problem. If your tape water PH runs high and your tank PH is low you might want to use a PH buffer like Novaqua when you do your water changes but don't worry so much about the PH. Rapid PH changes are more detrimental to your fish than a high or low PH.

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