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Jamiya
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posted 03-16-2004 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
Grrrr. Some people at agility last night were expressing their opinion that you should not get another dog until your youngest is 2-3 years old. They said it can really hurt the bonding process because the dog should interact with mostly YOU for the first 2-3 years or they will bond more to the other dog.

On the other hand, one of the books I have on multiple dogs says that all dogs require a dog companion. People are great, but they need their "own kind" to be happy. Especially when you work all day (but don't they mostly sleep then anyway?).

And say you get a puppy when your first dog is 2-3 years old. How do you bond well with the puppy when it has the older dog to play with?

Bonnie is a good dog. She and Nala get along great and have a fabulous time together.

But how the heck am I going to find time to train them?! I need to find time for each individually (what the heck do I do with the other one?) and then time with them together. At least exercise is pretty much taken care of.

I have been trying to train one while the other is outside eating. I am not having a lot of luck, especially with Bonnie. She is not very focused (which is to be expected). I found that hotdogs are good motivators for her, though.

I know my husband prefers to only have one dog. I love watching the two play together and I feel better knowing Nala has entertainment that is more her style. But I also feel like she doesn't need me anymore - she doesn't play with us at all and her antics have been absent. I guess she doesn't need to entertain herself when she has another dog to play with - is it selfish of me to want her to look to me? But I don't have the time or the ability to play with her like Bonnie does!!

I am so confused. I don't know whether to give Bonnie up if they find a family for her. I keep thinking maybe I should just let her go and pick up Nala's friends (Kona and Tyson) in the afternoons and let them play for a while and then send them back home.

If we go with a second dog, Bonnie is a good match. Do I have the time? Is it fair to the dogs? Is it better or worse for them? What am I getting myself into with an adult dog of unknown past? Will I regret not training her from a puppy?

If I let her go, how will Nala get enough exercise and play time?


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honeybear
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posted 03-16-2004 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Jimiya, I was there with Jake and Wylie, Jake was about 2 when Wylie found us. Jake wasnt fully trained, still isnt hehe at 7 years old. My husband and I were working full time - literally gone 11 hours a day. So I felt guilty about Jake and his quality time but I did want another dog to hopfuly keep Jake company. Wylie was of unkown origin, age, training etc. She did challege us a bit the first year because I didnt realize she was still in late puppy stage (I think) about a 1 year to 1 and 1 1/2 years. she does sound like Bonnie at that age. I have the opposite feeling that I wish Jake and Wylie would play more to keep each other entertained. If only Jake would learn how to throw Wylies frisbee! They both have their own style of playing that dont match each other LOL so they dont play much together. I understand how you feel selfish that Nala likes Bonnie more than you now, it is only natural, you have shown love for her and now somthing is more fun taking her attention away from you. I did feel at one point that that I made a huge mistake of keeping Wylie. she was a handful, Jake was being ignored, etc, etc.

Weve had Wylie now for almost 5 years and I remember her finding us like it was yesterday. She is our sweetheart and I wouldnt change that for the world, she has made a great addition to the family and her and Jake are pals. I dont know what life would be like without her now.

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Jamiya
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posted 03-16-2004 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
I hear what you're saying, honeybear. Nala is only 10 months old, though. I think I would feel better if she were 2 or 3.

But Bonnie won't get adopted right away, so in the meantime I will keep working with them both and see how it goes. Maybe the right answer will be more clear as time goes on.

Any other opinions would be welcome! Maisey, how old was Dooley with you got Witt?


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Maisey
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posted 03-16-2004 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Dooley was two when I got Witt and I found it very helpful that all of Dooleys basic training was done by the time we got a second dog. However, we are still training Dooley and probably will always be looking for something new and fun to train him in, so we still struggle with finding ways to keep one dog away while we work with the other. It is much easier for me because Shawn is involved with his dog so I can concentrate on Witt. When Shawn can't, Elise loves to work with either dog. Dooley is very much a people person, he would prefer to play with mom or dad most of the time if a ball is involved, but he values his doggie playtime too. We only had Dooley for the first two years(and Darby, but they don't play together), Witt had Dooley from the start and he would prefer to play with Dooley rather than us. It bugs me a little...but there's nothing I can do about it and the fact is...if I get up and begin to walk away, Witt is right at my side wanting to know where I am going. I have no doubt that I am the favorite in Witt's heart, but he has bonded to Dooley and vica versa and I wouldn't change that for nothing. They thrive in each others company. I don't agree that a dog needs to have another dog, I think the fact that they don't is what makes them such good pets to people...they can and will bond to a person just like they would another pack mate. That doesn't mean they don't enjoy company of their own kind and I am happy my two have it.
If you feel overwhelmed at the idea of sharing affections or finding the time to work with both then maybe you should wait. Concentrate on Nala and her training and consider a second dog later. There is a lady at flyball who has 5 dogs, they are all incredibly trained and I love watching her work with her dogs. She brings two to practices and now has a puppy so theres three. She brings the puppy and works with her on socializing after practice with whoever will hang around. She leashes the other two dogs to the fence and takes turns working each dog during practice. Sometimes they bark their dismay at having to wait their turn, but she has been teaching them "quiet" and they are learning it, each practice it gets better. She has her dogs involved in agility as well as a few other things. It all about what you can and want to put into it. Decide what you want then pursue it.

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Jamiya
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posted 03-16-2004 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
"Decide what you want and then pursue it."

I so wish I could. I am SOOO awful at decisions. I am a die-hard what-if person and I hate it. I am working on it.

I have so many misgivings about a second dog now that it's hard to not listen to it. I don't think I have the time to work both dogs and still see my children. And I really have no one to help me with the other dog, although I can always just toss one outside and she will have to learn to wait.

But I feel so bad that Nala loves to have a playmate. It's been great to see her happy and playing, to not get mauled by her in crazy dog mode, and to have her tired more often and thus not chasing the cats. I don't have to feel guilty when I am too tired to play.

And of course I have fallen in love with Bonnie. I am now positive that I could not foster dogs. I get too involved.

When I walk across the room, BOTH dogs follow me. If I go in the kitchen, they lie down in sight of the gate. If I pet one, the other comes running and I try to pet both, but they end up wrestling each other while vying for my attention. Bonnie is a lap snuggler which I LOVE.

I think I will enjoy Bonnie while we have her, leave her up for adoption and see if any good homes crop up, and look into future playmates for Nala - like regular playdates or something.

I need to build some agility equipment for the backyard.


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puggleowner
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posted 03-16-2004 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puggleowner     Edit/Delete Message
Jamiya I have the same issues as you when it comes to getting another dog. On the one hand I think it would be great for Cameron to have a playmate, someone to hang out with while we're at work, and when we go out for the night I wouldn't feel guilty about leaving her alone when we've been at work all day, plus she loves to play rough in a way that only other dogs like to play-- I feel like am a disapointing playmate in my sorry tug-of-war efforts!! But on the other side, like you said, I would hate it if Cameron no longer stayed glued to my side like she is now.....Luckily her and my parent's dog just love eachother, and she gets to spend a day or two with him every few weeks or so, so I figure that is enough to satisfy her canine companion urge for now- plus now that the weather is warming up I am going to pay for a monthly membership to the dog park again-- do you have one of those close by? I love it there- I just walk in the gate, unleash Cameron and let her romp and play while I drink my cappicino (sp) from the coffee shop they have there- it's lovely!!

As far as possibly getting another dog, my husband and I agreed to discuss the possibility again next spring, when Cameron is about 2 and will have hopefully calmed down at least a little.....

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