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lanena322 Member Posts: 69 |
posted 03-09-2004 08:54 AM
Hi, for those of you who have read my previous posts know I will be getting a Golden Retriever puppy in less than 2 weeks. I have already picked her out, a nice cream female with not so dark ears, the biggest female. Well my post is that I have latetly been reading up on Goldens, and there are many breeders who are recommending NOT to spay. There is one breeder in particular who is against spaying because she says it can mess up the growth, affect the bones, etc. I have seen many breeders say the same thing. Well I have decided not to spay Laika (soon to be pup). She will be a very big pup, bigger than the breed standard, and I want to do obedience with her. If she works out well in obedience then I will breed her if I find the right stud. I cant do this if she is spayed. Also, I know that living here in Puerto Rico it will be a challenge when she comes into heat with the dog problems and all. She will be about the 7th female here in the neighborhood. But I have been reading up on odor control, pet diapers, etc. Post w/ ur spay/neuter upinions please! IP: Logged |
Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 03-09-2004 09:01 AM
I prefer early spay neuter. Some sites that support this are: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/reports/early-neuter.html http://www.exoticbengals.com/spay.htm http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/ope/ivb/spay-neu.htm
I also would not want to hassle with heat cycles and fending off males dogs and unwanted litters - especially in your situation with so many dogs running loose. And there are a lot of health problems associated with unaltered animals - mammary tumors being a big one with females. I would personally find personality changes due to hormones to be upsetting. Someone posted info or a link about things you need to do and think about before breeding your dog. It was VERY long and involved. Breeding also costs a lot of money. It is a HUGE responsibility if done correctly. If you are up to this challenge and this is what you want to do, as well as showing in the conformation ring, then spaying is not an option for you.
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susan_cude@hotmail.com Member Posts: 813 |
posted 03-09-2004 09:16 AM
Jamiya, I would like to commend you on your answer! you gave your opinion without being insulting. That's the kind of answers I love to see. Just my opinion..... Ianena, Please do read all about what is involved in breeding before you make such a huge commitment. There is soooo much to consider. And the heat cycles can be very messy, as well as mood swings in the bitch. Good luck to you! Susan IP: Logged |
lanena322 Member Posts: 69 |
posted 03-09-2004 09:16 AM
Thank u vor the post, it is very helpful. I at one point had been thinking about spaying her because her dam had a problem with her akc papers and the ony way to register and compete was with ILP papers and to be registered with ILP the dog has to be spayed. But then everything worked out with the dam and when I get her i just have to fil out the akc papers. Also, for obedience training: I have some experience in training, and i was wondering if I could hom train her instead of paying lots of $$$ to take her to obedience classes. And, when I went to the obedience trial this sunday I saw all of the dogs wearing the dreaded choke collars. I was wondering if I would have to use this on her or if the prong collar is acceptable? I know the prong collar looks like a torture device but it is much more human because it doesnt choke, just pinches and the choke collar actually chokes and damages the wind pipe IP: Logged |
bullylove1 Member Posts: 173 |
posted 03-09-2004 09:52 AM
lanena, personally, I believe in positive reinforcement rather than any choking device or prong collars. YOu can look up positive reinforcement on a search engine, and a ton of stuff will come up. There a lots of trainers that train this way, and it seems to be the favor for many over choke/prong training. It reinforces good behaivour in dogs rather than punishing bad behaviour. I tis very effective, and I believe it makes the bond stronger between the dog and owner. Also, like Jamiya said, there are a lot of bad thing that can happen to your dog if you do not spay. They are more prone to different cancers and such for one thing. Trust me, dog in heat is no fun. Two days before we were going to get my pup fixed she split 3 nails on the ice, and thats where her spay money had to go, emergency vet. Now she has gone into her second heat (currently in heat) and its hard. They are very moody, clingy, and not to mention, they get bad runs (at least mine does) so you are up about 3 to 4 times a night to let her out to poop only to find you have been woken to a false alarm and she doesn't have to go, she just feels like she does, so back to bed we go only to be awoken again to anothr false alarm, but you have to takeher out because what if it isn't a false alarm? Trust me, it is NO fun! There is so much to know about breeding and way more responsibility than people realize. Like for example, if the home doesn't work out, it is your respnsibilty to take the dog back, no matter what age, (a lot of people take dog sto shelters what not because "they didn't know it was going to get this big") also, you need to have all the right tests done for hip displaysia, what not, and if one of your pups goes to a home and gets this disease you either have to take the dog back and refund their money, or pay for all the meds and sugeries. It is not cheap to breed. And there are sooo many complications that can come with it. I hope you do reconsider. But you have a lot of time to think about that because you shouldn't breed your bitch until she is at least 3 or 4 years. Good luck to you, and congratulations on the new addition to your family. IP: Logged |
Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 03-09-2004 10:28 AM
Susan, I love the way you practice positive reinforcement by commenting on posting styles. Ianena, yes you can train your dog at home. BUT make sure she is properly socialized - meaning she spends time with other dogs and a variety of people and places. I chose to do a puppy class more for the socialization than the training. Once your dog knows the basics, a more advanced training class can be a helpful way to add distractions so the dog learns to perform no matter what else is going on. But of course, you can also do this at the park or outside an elementary school when it is letting out or any other place with a lot of distractions - when funds are limited you have to be creative! However, if YOU don't know how to train a dog, a GOOD class can be a good place to start. Books and advice from people here are also good. I like "The Power of Positive Dog Training" by Pat Miller. Ian Dunbar also has some good puppy books that tell you everything you need to know. Get them BEFORE you get the pup and read up so you are prepared when she comes home! I also don't think choke collars or prong collars are necessary. It is possible for them to be useful tools if used properly, but anything like that can easily become a crutch. Studies have shown that dogs that learn using ALL positive methods learn better and have a better relationship with their owners. It also teaches the dog to THINK because you are not forcing them to do things. By giving the dog a choice, it becomes a matter of how to "make sure" the dog wants to choose the proper choice. And positive training is more fun for the human, too!
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lanena322 Member Posts: 69 |
posted 03-09-2004 11:28 AM
thank u everyone! My decision to breed will definately not be taken lightly. I will not even consider until she is at least 2 and then if things go right when she is older than that. About the choke collar and prong collar, I dont want to use them for training but in the obedience classes I saw all the dogs with the choke collars, i dont know if this is a requirement. I dont like to use choke collars because if the dog want to pull it will pull and the only thing it will do is choke itself. I was just wondering if in the obedience ring I could use a prong instead of a choke collar IP: Logged |
Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 03-09-2004 11:42 AM
Is there a different obedience class you can observe? If everyone had choke collars then they are probably teaching leash corrections. It would be better to find a positive trainer, such as a clicker trainer.
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 03-09-2004 11:55 AM
Oh, and here is a site you can look at about breeding: http://www.dog-play.com/ethics.html
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