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Atlantabulldog
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From:Atlanta, GA
Registered: Mar 2004

posted 03-01-2004 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Atlantabulldog     Edit/Delete Message
We got an American Bulldog puppy about a week and a half ago. For the first couple of days, he seemed very healthy. He went to the vet for first shots, was negative for worms, and got a clean bill of health. However, soon afterwards he developed a troubling set of symptoms: lethargy, diarrea, loss of appetite for his food (Eukanuba puppy food), and vomitting. This went on for several days, though it would worsen and get better and worsen again. We took him back to the vet. He tested negative for parovirus and appeared healthy to the vet, who advised trying a different dog food and watching him for a couple of more days. He seemed to do better, ate the new food (Science diet) and drank water for about a day. All seemed well. He was playful and active. Alas!! He has AGAIN lost his appetite, and drinks very little water. He sniffs around the food, but won't eat it. His stools are now normal, and he has stopped vommitting, but we're troubled by the lack of appetite. He also looks emaciated, and has gone from 9.5 pounds when we got him, to 8.5 pounds now. Yet - here's the strange thing: if we break out the Eukanuba puppy TREATS, or a CANNED dog food, he's all over it like a starving animal!!!

We are afraid that once again, it's back to the vet for more tests... He's 9 weeks old, so still quite young. What's going on here - is this a sick puppy who will only eat when offered the most irrestible foods...or an extremely finicky eater??? Should we break down and just give him canned food if he'll eat it, or wait until he gives in and eats his dry food? Or is this all a symptom of a serious illness??? So far, the vet hasn't had much to offer. HELP!!!

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MistressKela
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posted 03-01-2004 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
First off quit feeding him crap food. Both of those brands are absolutely sickening.

Secondly it sounds to me like he might have swallowed something like a toy or other foreign object that might be blocking his stomach or intestines or something to that effect. Or maybe since he isnt vomiting anymore...that he might have had that in the past and finally pooped it out one day recently (as disgusting as it might be its sometimes a good idea to watch stool carefully.

After reading the last sentence in the first paragraph it sounds like hes just being spoiled. Get him on a decent brand of dog food and drop the canned food altogether. I would not break down and just give him canned food...you'll set yourself up for decaying teeth problems later on in life if thats what you feed him.

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GoodboysBaddogs
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posted 03-01-2004 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Atlantabulldog,

I have an AB myself. He's about 19 & 1/2 months now, i think. He can be a finicky eater too sometimes.

But i've had a more similar experiance w/ are Chinese Shar Pei.

I'm thinking just try & find a food (kibble)he likes. Since he's ready & willing to grub down the canned food & treats, it seems as though he's beeing picky.

Are you feeding any table scraps or human food??

At such a young age, the pup should not know anything yet about variety. He should'nt know that theres actually options of food and definately should'nt know about human food. Yeah he can smell it in the air, while you humans are eating & stuff, but NEVER let him taste it, y e t (and for a w h i l e).

I say just try and find something (kibble)that he likes, and one that his GI tract & Digestive System agrees with.
I think the reason why SD made his stool more solid than before is because of the high corn volume in the ingredients.
Personally, i would'nt recommend SD.
That stuff is nasty (unhealthy in the l o n g run).
Since you guys were even considering that you were gonna feed strictly canned food (to me meaning that you can spend a little more on food), i'd go w/ a more quality/wholesome/holistic type of food.

Personally, i'd recommend Wellness Super5Mix Puppy. Then after 2-3 months on that, i'd switch to Innova Puppy, or Chicken Soup Puppy. These foods are pricier, but well worth it. Shop around & try to find your cheapest retailer, it'll be worth it.
Innova is very high on caloric intake, so it can help w/ the weight loss situation you have.
Keep in mind that when changing dog foods, to do it in a gradual switch, you know??
And most dogs will develope diarrhea when introduced to a new food.

Are you also giving like multi-vitamins?
If so, this could be the reason for the Diarrhea.


What kinda AB do you have?
Bully, Standard, or Hybrid???

Mines a Bully.

AB's are awesome dogs... I'm sure you'll agree, if not already .

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elizavixen
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posted 03-01-2004 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for elizavixen     Edit/Delete Message
This may be the wrong answer but I would try feeding him what he likes. If it's canned food, give him canned. It is NOT going to cause tooth decay but you should give him greenies and other things to chew on. I have a st. bernard who eats only canned food and her teeth/gums are healthy. I have tried feeding her dry food, or dry food mixed with cans but it always makes her stomach upset. I was tired of going to the vet every week so I just put her back on canned. this is, of course, if he is just a finicky eater.

I don't know much about diseases so I can't help you there. My advice would be to find a good quality food that he likes and give him that. If he doesn't eat it, and all the other problems persist for an extended period of time (over 1 wk) then go back to the vet.

It could also just be the switching of the food. When I switched my dog's food, I swear she was sick an entire month. She's still not quite right but getting there. I think some dog's stomachs are more sensitive than others.

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BlueTrain
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posted 03-02-2004 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTrain     Edit/Delete Message
The last 2 posts are written the way posts should be. They are helpful and respectful The post immediately following the initial question is rather rude. it is not as if they are feeding their pup Ol Roy or something of that nature. Both Eukanuba and Science Diet come highly recommended from most vets, and it shows that the owner is at least making an effort in choosing it over the other large company brands. I personally feed Innova, but wouldn't know about it if i hadn't stumbled upon this site. I have gained an enormous amount of knowledge from the informative and respectful posts, which most seem to be. So, try not to be too harsh to new folks that are just trying to do their best in raising a healthy animal. thanks.

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charmedagain
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posted 03-02-2004 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmedagain     Edit/Delete Message
Hiya, At 9weeks old he should be eating 4small meals per day.

Feeding him canned food will not hurt him,The easiest way to get him back onto dried food is simply add a small amount of dry to his canned and every day increase the amount of dry and reduce the canned you will find in about 2-3weeks he will be eating hard food again.

Have you tried soaking the dried food in a little warm water this is usually enough to get a puppy to eat it as its not so hard.

You can also give him puppy substitute milk aswell as water for a couple of weeks this will give him extra vitamins and minerals to help boost his digestive system up, You can but it from any petstore of vets its designed for bottle feeding and weaning puppies.

Also i have had problems with SD and Eukanuba with my dogs and puppies so i stay clear of it the same with IAMS.

Like i say if you try a combination of things he will soon be back to eating his usual feed and be back to normal in no time.

Hope this is of some help .

Mike.
Breeder of german shepherds.

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kyles101
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posted 03-02-2004 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
i agree, feed him what he wants. find something tasty that doesnt upset his stomach and stick with it. dont believe the vets if they say 'hes fine, he will eat when he wants'. we did and now poor kumas a midget! a. she had a sensitive stomach and b. she HATED kibble. we switched to homecooked meals and she eats every bit of it. and if she doesnt eat it, we know shes truly not hungry or shes sick.

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Jamiya
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posted 03-02-2004 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
BlueTrain, I agree that MistressKela could have been more diplomatic in the way she phrased her post. But I have to disagree about the quality of Eukanuba and Science Diet.

Most people, and I am assuming AtlantaBulldog is one of them, assumes they are good foods because they DO come highly recommended by vets. But the vets get their knowledge of nutrition directly from the kibble companies, which means their information is biased and incorrect.

To get the real story, you have to do your own research (or find a vet that has done his own research and doesn't care about kickbacks from the companies). Eukanuba and SD have inferior ingredients and offer poor nutrition for your dog. GoodboysBaddogs had some good recommendations of other foods to try.

I would be careful of giving the pup whatever he wants - this is setting him up to be a picky eater for life. However, you also cannot let the little guy starve. As far as that goes, I think Mike's answer seemed very reasonable - just make sure the kibble you choose is a GOOD one - Innova, Canidae, Wellness, Healthwise, Chicken Soup, Natural Balance, etc.

Canned food is known to cause tooth decay, but then again so is kibble. I think canned is supposed to be even worse in that regard than kibble.

If it were my pup, I would put him on a raw diet.


Jamiya

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honeybear
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posted 03-02-2004 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
atlanta, there have been posts here about parvo showing up negative, but the pups really have parvo and after a few more tests show up positive, I would ask your vet about this just to be on the safe side and good luck with him,
honeybear

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susan_cude@hotmail.com
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From:Santa Maria, Ca.
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posted 03-02-2004 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for susan_cude@hotmail.com     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Atlantabulldog, Whew! just writing your name took it out of me! kidding!!!hehehe

Wellcome to the forum!!!! There was a great post called FOOD FOR THOUGHT written a while back, I bumped it up for another poster a couple of days ago. Scroll down until you find it, I know it will be very helpful to you!

You sound like a very concerned pet owner who wants what is best for your new family member, and because you are doing the research, I know you'll get the answers you're looking for.

Enjoy your pup! Aren't they so much fun?

Sincerely, Susan

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