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dnoel
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posted 02-16-2004 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dnoel     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Somebody HELP!!!!!!, I adopted this dog that is 6 years old and have had her now for 2.5 weeks. She did fine as far as the crate trick up until 3 days ago and she has started urinating in her crate! The crate is a big as she is and enough room for her to turn around in and 2 inches above her head. She is a pom, and weighs 8 pounds. I am always home and have been crate traing her for the last 16 days, but she just started this! I took all the blankets out today and she still has urinated in the bed and lays in it! And she doesn't seem to care. She doesn't have a bladder infection either, I have had that checked & she was put on antibiotics anyway just in case one was starting. Help what can I do, nobody wants her! And I'm upset inside and sad that my dog will have to go. Any ideas on what to do with her? Please anyone help me.
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Jamiya
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posted 02-17-2004 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
That's such a difficult problem to have. And it seems odd that she just started this.

How long is she in the crate in between getting let out?

If you are home, perhaps she is trying to tell you that she doesn't want to be in the crate? I crated trained my dog, but when I was home, she was out with me. I just stayed in the same room with her and kept an eye on her for signs of having to go out. And took her out every hour, plus after eating, drinking, sleeping, or playing.

Have you washed her crate very well with some sort of odor neutralizer, such as Nature's Miracle? Do you go out with her when you take her out and praise her for going outside?


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Karriesue
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posted 02-17-2004 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karriesue     Edit/Delete Message
If she was adopted from a shelter or has had previous owners, she might have been abused. Why is it you are ready to give up on her after 3 days of a problem that has just started? You need to be patient with her. She is getting used to you and her new home. Like I said earlier, she might have a history of abuse. I would start crate training her right from the beginning again. Leaving her in for short periods and extending it gradually. I would start associating her crate as a good thing. Try feeding her in her crate. Also, try giving her yummy chew bones and kongs. Be patient with her and you can fix this problem. It takes time. Don't give up on her.

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Kiyotie
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posted 02-17-2004 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kiyotie     Edit/Delete Message
Well, the first thing I would recommend you doing is letting her know that den is NOT her punishment. Dogs rarely urinate in what they view as their homes. Does she enjoy going in that crate? If not, that could be part of the problem. She just doesn't care. To make it more enjoyable, put some toys and bones inside and just make her feel more comfy.

I would recommend consulting a professional if this problem continues.

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dnoel
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posted 02-17-2004 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dnoel     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Jamiya: Thanks for the reply, actually The crate is new and is very clean. I actually use a trash bag as a cover for the bottom because I new the smell would be a problem for her if she ever did have an accident in there. She goes within seconds of putting her back in. She actually likes her crate, she gets into it all by herself If I just leave it open. I do praise her outside and give her treats for going, and we go out lots and lots. Thanks for your reply.

Hi Karriesue & Kioyte: Thanks for your reply as well,We did start feeding her in the crate today and giving her the water too. I think she has been abused to tell you the truth. Her owner was old and died, and she has been passed to many owners. Can you please tell me what kongs are? I don't have a clue on that. She doesn't like toys, I have tried that, I did give her a bone and she chews on it. I found something on the net that says she has a Anxiety seperation problem, FROM ME! Boo Hoo, I gave her so much attention that now she is freaking out cause if I try to leave her she starts barking so much and gets so upset she pees! So I'm trying to teach her now how to have alone time. Very hard problem, and she has to remain crated because of it. I hope this works, cause I'm really attached to this little dog so I'm trying to work with her.
If anyone has heard of Anxiety Seperation disorder I would sure like your thoughts on this.
Thanks so much
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Karriesue
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posted 02-17-2004 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karriesue     Edit/Delete Message
Hey there. I am glad to see that you aren't giving up on her. This can be fixed. For the seperation anxiety, that will take time and teeney steps. This condition is very common in shelter dogs and dogs that have been passed in and out of many homes. I know there are lots of links out there to sites that can explain to you how to handle this condition. I don't have one right off but I think if you type in "seperation anxiety" on the home page here at Auspet, they can guide you in the right direction. Plus lots of people here have experienced this and can offer expert advice on how to help your girl. If you go to Pet Smart or Pet Co you can find Kongs. I think I even saw them at Target one time. They are red and hollow and you can put yummy treats and foods like peanut butter in them. They really keep dogs occupied. There is a thread here called "Food For Thought" that has links to "Kong recipes" to use for the Kongs. You said you are crating her at home while you are there. You need to start off all over again with short amounts of time slowly building up to long periods. You are doing right by giving her yummy chew bones and feeding her in the crate. I really think the Kong will help. It will give her something to look forward to when she gets in the crate. You need to associate the crate with positive and good things. Kongs, treats, feeding her in the crate, and positive attention for good behavior will help. But just start off slow. Maybe five to ten minutes at the beginning and go from there. If she has seperation anxiety you want to do this nice and easy. Remember to be patient. This stuff can be fixed but not overnight. Trust needs to be built and if she was abused it will take her some time to figure out that she is in a good place now. It will take some time but you can help her.

Jamiya or anyone who knows: do you know of any good seperation anxiety sites that she can go to cause I don't know any.

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Jamiya
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posted 02-18-2004 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
I have never dealt with separation anxiety personally, but I have heard this book recommended often: "I'll Be Home Soon" by Patricia B. McConnell. It is more of a booklet than a book and can be purchased at amazon.com for $6.95.


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dnoel
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posted 02-18-2004 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dnoel     Edit/Delete Message
Karriesue & Jamiya: I almost started crying when I read your reply, I know that sounds corny but I have just been at my wits end with this dog. I'm so afraid that I will do the wrong thing and not be able to help her. We really do love this dog, but I don't know if I can fix her problem. She is very very sweet. I will try all that has been listed. Please Please if you find any research, and I'm going to go to amazon and check out this book to purchase too, please please e-mail me any links or anything. I'm still upset, cause my heart just breaks for her. She just looks so sad all the time and that is why for the 2 weeks I spent so much time with her. Her little eyes just look so dead. I think I will try and take a picture of her and insert it in here today. Anymore help it is all welcomed. Thanks so much for your time and hopefully if anything else will help me you can mail it on to me.
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Jamiya
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posted 02-18-2004 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
Do you work, or are you at home all day?

Don't forget that there are no instant solutions in a case like this. Your poor doggie has a lot of bad memories to overcome. It will be a very slow process.

Take note of the tiny steps forward she makes to help keep your chin up, and don't give up! If there is a good behaviorist in your area and you can afford it, I would consider enlisting their help. Make sure you screen well, though, and only use someone who uses positive methods. Punishment should NOT be used with this dog.

Does she know any obedience? You might consider clicker training. A lot of dogs think it is fun, and you might see her start to come out of her shell once she realizes that she gets rewarded for figuring out what you want her to do. It's like a game! The book I am using for this is "The Power of Positive Dog Training" by Pat Miller.

Hang in there, and please keep us updated!


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dnoel
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posted 02-18-2004 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dnoel     Edit/Delete Message
Jamiya:
Hi Jamiya; Yes I do stay home, but I have a college son that plays baseball, and I am gone 2 days a week for that, and I go to church so I have to leave her behind. But I am home most of the time. I live in a very small town and the surrounding towns are small as well. She does understand the word No without a doubt and understands outside and Potty. The urination that is going on inside the cage is due to leaving her and she gets so upset. I'm trying to leave her for like 8 to 10 minutes at a time today and will try and extend that, but she starts barking at like 4-6 minutes, so from another room I say NO and then she is quite, so after I go back in I and she isn't barking at all, I tell her how good she is. What do you or anyone think about that.

If there is anyone that has went thru this same thing at all I would like for them to contact me. I want to do this right for the dog to help her and not cause more confusion and heartache for her.

Thanks for the respone! I really really do appreciate all the input and such.

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Jamiya
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posted 02-18-2004 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
That sounds like a good start to me. Perhaps you should start a new thread with "separation anxiety" in the subject line, to draw out more people who have dealt with that topic.


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dnoel
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posted 02-18-2004 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dnoel     Edit/Delete Message
OK Jamiya: I will do that. I wondered if I should do that and you just confirmed it so I will do that. Thanks so much
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posted 02-18-2004 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
here is some info previously posted by Rottymommy and she has some websites posted below that may be of help.

Also make sure you have some sort of clothing in her crate that has her smell on it.
honeybear

I had a dog with separation anxiety and after alot of reading both on the web and bookds here are some good sites i found and also check out the book THE DOG WHO LOVED TOO MUCH BY DR NICHOLAS DODMAN
HERE ARE THE LINKSON SEPARATION ANXIETY http://www.hsus.org/ace/15891 http://www.doggiedoor.com/sepanx.shtml

JUST SOME EXPERIENCE FROM SOMEONE THAT WENT THROUGH IT. CRATE THE DOG IF YOU CAN. SOME DOGS ESPECIALLY RESCUES CANNOT BE CRATED. LEAVE A TV OR RADIO ON WHEN YOU LEAVE, A LIGHT, AND A SHIRT THAT YOU WORE BUT DIDNT WASH WITH THEM WHEN YOU LEAVE.

DONT MAKE GOODBYES AND COMING HOME A BIG DEAL. USE A PHRASE EVERYTIME YOU LEAVE AND USE IT EVERYTIME YOU LEAVE MINE IS "BEHAVE, ILL BE BACK" THE DOG WILL EVENTUALLY REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU WILL BE COMING BACK. MOST DOGS WITH SA WONT PLAY WITH TOYS, EAT, OR DRINK WHILE YOU ARE GONE SO KONGS AND SUCH USUALLY DONT HELP ALTHOUGH THERE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS. MINE WAS NOT AN EXCEPTION TO THAT. START DOING THINGS THAT YOU DO BEFORE YOU LEAVE, PUT ON YOUR SHOES, GRAB YOUR CAR KEYS, PUT YOUR COAT ON. THEN SIT DOWN, DONT LEAVE. GET YOUR DOG TO THE POINT THAT YOU DOING THOSE THINGS DOESNT NECESSARILY MEAN YOU ARE LEAVING. WHICH REDCUES THE AMOUNT OF ANXIETY THEY BUILD UP BEFORE YOU EVEN LEAVE THE HOUSE. WHEN YOU COME HOME, IGNORE THE DOG, PUT YOUR COAT AND KEYS AWAY, GET A DRINK, SIT DOWN, THEN GIVE YOUR DOG ATTENTION. IGNORE THE DOG WHEN YOU FIRST COME IN THE DOOR. ALSO IF THE DOGS ARE DOING ANYTHING DESTRUCTIVE WHILE YOU ARE GONE. DO NOT SCOLD THEM THIS JUST MAKES THEIR SA WORSE. YOU WILL HAVE TO START WITH LEAVING YOUR HOUSE AT LITERALLY SECONDS AT A TIME AND WORKING UP TO HOURS. THAT IM PRETTY SURE IS EXPLAINED IN THE LINKS I GAVE YA. HOPE THIS HELPS SOME. IF I THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE ILL WRITE IT. BUT I DID MONTHS OF READING AND LEARNED MORE ABOUT SEPARATION ANXIETY THAN ANY PERSON EVEN WANTS TO KNOW. BUT I COULDNT STAND BEING A PRISONER IN MY OWN HOME ANY LONGER!!


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dnoel
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posted 02-18-2004 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dnoel     Edit/Delete Message
Honeybear:
HOW can I get your e-mail address! Help! That is what I feel like a prisioner and I can't even go upstairs without her. gosh I need someone to talk to to make sure I'm doing stuff right. I would be glad to give you mine. I don't know if I should post it on here or what. Please inform, I'm in desperate need.
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posted 02-18-2004 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Dnoel - this is a post from rotty mommy, I was just being helpful, and pasted one of her posts. I have no personal experience with SA I would post and do header - "Rottymommy need help with S/A" and she should respond and hopfully help you because she is going thru the same thing. Also use the search function here and type in separation anxiety - that is how I found this and there is a lot of other stuff you can find.
good luck
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posted 02-18-2004 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dnoel     Edit/Delete Message
Ok sorry: I will do that. Thanks so much again!
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