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goob
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posted 02-12-2004 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
In the AKC thread, you were talking about Catahoula breeders and the AKC ring, etc... I was wonderign where most breeders stand on double merles? I know some show breeders in Dachshunds like them because they're so flashy, is that a problem in them as well? And do working people usually avoid it?

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posted 02-12-2004 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Every breeder I have come into contact with on the boards knows that a merle to merle breeding will result in excessive white, and do not breed those. I am sure that some of them have accidently bred a phantom merle and ended up with an excessive white and I occasionally see an excessive white pup in a litter, or one that is borderline. The UKC standard says 70 percent or more white is a serious fault and 90% or more white coat color; solid white head; albinism is a disqualification. New breeders may make the mistake, and of course byb do it on purpose, either because they don't know or they are willing to cull the deaf and blind ones out for the money they may make on extra flashy pups. Solids seem to be pretty popular with many breeders, some prefer them. I know there are breeders out there breeding merle/merles because all you have to do is take a look at the deaf dog site on the Catahoula page, but I think they are mostly people who are doing bybing.
I have noticed in alot of breeds it's becoming a problem...like the great dane, the harlequin pattern is very popular, problem is breeding for it leads to excessive whites and they are showing up more and more on the deaf dog board as well.
I'll pose the question on the board I go to and see what I get for answers and let you know.


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posted 02-12-2004 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I think a lot of BYBs don't realize that when they breed merle x merle, they may not just get flashy pups, but deformed ones as well. It surprised me though to find that some Dachsie show breeders intentionally use the breeding to get flashy show prospects. I know Catahoulas are still primarily a breed known for function first, which led me to wonder how common the breeding was with them. I'd be interested in seeing what others have seen in the breed too.

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posted 02-13-2004 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Here is the first response I got, this girl shows alot.

"I think it depends on what venue you're at. UKC faults too much white, so you don't see it there much.
I'm not sure why Daschund breeders think white dogs are flashy. Normal merle I can see, but not white.

In Aussies you tend to see a decent amount of dogs with white bodies, but their standard faults or dq's too much white on their heads (especially if there isn't any color on the ears).

I think the reason most people don't want to see the Catahoula "go AKC" is because breeds are more visible once they're AKC recognized and can become more popular--many times to the breed's detriment (this is especially true for breeds that puppy millers use to make a buck). Furthermore, many puppy buyers see AKC as a seal of quality when it's not, and will buy a poorly bred pup for big bucks just because it's "AKC"."

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posted 02-14-2004 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks a bunch for sharing that.... and I understand completely not wanting the breed to become AKC recognized. It's a worry not only of the increased public awareness of the breed's existance, but also people breeding only for conformation and getting away from the true breed as it should be.

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posted 02-14-2004 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Here is another response...
http://members5.boardhost.com/CatsCradle/msg/8507.html

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