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Maisey
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From:Portland, Oregon US
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posted 02-05-2004 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I am soooo proud of my boy! He had his second flyball class tonight, we missed last week because I had trouble with my truck..anyhow he did great!
He hit the box every time he was asked and we even tried letting him do a complete run, which is way ahead of where we are in the training. He ran down popped the box caught the ball the turned around to run back(which he hasn't been taught to do yet)he dropped the ball and actually went back to get it then came back to me! Now on his way back he did not go back over the jumps, but for a dog who could care less about a ball...I was impressed that he went back picked it up and then came back to me!!! His recalls were excellent all night even though he wanted so bad to run and play like some of the other dogs were...he came everytime he was called.
Maybe he will be a flyball dog after all. *grinnin'*

OK now for the problem..I am hoping some of you can help me. Witt was frustrated because he was not allowed to run off lead as some of the other dogs were doing in between excersizes. The reason he is not allowed is because he either plays too rough..which can start a fight with some dogs and also because there are a couple of dogs that I know he would end up in a fight with, even if their dogs were on lead, he still might run up to them and a fight would ensue..so I keep him on lead. There is a Pit Bull mix there who snapped at him several times when Witt was behaving, after about the third time of this Witt took the first opportunity he got to get even and snapped at the dog and he must have gotten a little nip in because the dog yelped, everyone is ok but it's obvious Witt doesn't forget insults. There is another dog that he wants to play with very badly and her owner allows her off lead through much of the class and plays ball with her in between turns. Witt has started lunging..he tries to jump at the dog everytime it gets near or just gets excited and lunges forward wanting to go play. He also lunged at another dog who chased a ball too close to us and nipped her on the end of the tail..I think he just got hair, but the owner apologized because I had Witt off at a distance trying to avoid just such a thing..she wasn't mad about the nip at all. Anyhow..when he lunges I tell him no and put him on a down, but I want ideas of how to stop the behavior all together. Can anyone help with this one?

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Nik
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posted 02-06-2004 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nik     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Maisy
Big congrats on him being a little star in his class, well done both of you

Umm, Floob lunges at people and dogs in a different way, just to play and get some attention (apparently people are only on the planet to give him fuss).
I was worried about this and nothing seemed to be working.
I know you're probably well past the 'treat' thing but it is working for us now so maybe a little step back *might* jolt Witt into ignoring all these tasty distractions.
My trainer told me by saying 'no' in any tone and restraining him from getting to these things he starts to think there must be something wrong so may get snappy to get to them, in a protective way, altho it won't appear to anyone else that's what he's doing... he'll just look like he's lunging at them to everyone else.
They discribed it as, if there's some bread on the ground when you're out for a walk and you haven't got the 'leave it' command 100% they'll take one mighty swipe to grab it before you say 'leave it', even after you've said it sometimes... it's the same if there's a dog they want, or person.

Like I said, treats might not work, or you may not want to have to go back to treats, but keeping him occupied with you and what's in your pockets for a few days/weeks might make a difference.

Good luck, sorry I can't help any more

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Samsintentions
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From:Columbus, Tx ,USA
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posted 02-06-2004 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
Oh thats great!! See there is hope!
OK now here's the deal, I'm sending you Smokey so you can teach him to fetch...lol Kidding of course!

I would definately keep up with his obediance and allow him to only do what you want and feel safe with. I know you'll feel guilty about it, but think of the bad things that "could" happen....
YOur obviously the responsible one there. Allowing the other dogs off lead presents problems in the area that the other dogs need to be on their leashes....see what I'm saying???? I mean the off leash dogs, that seem to pose no problem, could be running up to the wrong dog to play with. LIke you meantioned that Witt has lounged and nipped at the off lead ones....you have control of your dog, but they don't, thats a problem.

Your doing great and so is witt, you've got to take some photos!!! I'm jelous!!!

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2pyrs
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posted 02-06-2004 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2pyrs     Edit/Delete Message
I am not sure if this well be of any help but we had the same problem with our Collie. So I ask some friends near us that when they would take there guys for a walk if I could go along with them. It took awhile but after a few walks they started to look forward to being with each other and then we went into playing with them together. Inner reaction between them has taught them to be more friendly towards each other and now my Collie knows his limits and responds to back off when told to do it. Your involved in a high energy sport that gets them very high and coming back down is not something they understand. We would sometimes have to play with our boy after we got home till he was ready to call it a day. Yet others leave and relax when know longer in the high paced atmosphere. I think you well find most dogs on leash tend to fight more then those off leash.Working your dog off leash at home well help a lot, I mean walk at your side stop,go,down "off leash".Our boy has to keep and eye on me so has little time to get involved with others around him.
Just a thought...Proud you should be they see more then we do and learn better then most people I have meet. Have fun

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susan_cude@hotmail.com
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posted 02-06-2004 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for susan_cude@hotmail.com     Edit/Delete Message
Congrats! Maisey, By george he's got it! what fun! Susan

PS do your kids go with you? and do they enjoy it as well?

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Maisey
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From:Portland, Oregon US
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posted 02-06-2004 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Nik, I am not opposed to treats at all...but he isn't interested in them at flyball, which amazed me. I tried a toy to keep him focussed on me and that didn't work either. He does know leave it,but as you said it's not 100%, I wasn't clear what your trainer said to do instead of saying no ...could you explain it again? (sorry)

Sams, I agree with you about the being off lead and thats why he is not allowed...but on the other hand, if the distractions are a problem...I would prefer to keep working with him while that is going on...rather than complain and have them require everyone to keep their dogs on lead. Sort of like my horse, if something spooks her...I don't ask the person to stop or take her away from it, I stay there and ride her through it, working her until she has relaxed and become desensitized to it, for that reason I have a horse that easily adjusts to new things. I have a friend who gets off her horse everytime something spooks it...her horse is now not comfy unless she is on the ground at it's head...it's a pain on a trail ride and the many "freak outs" and over reactions to stimuli are irritating. I sort of want to "ride" Witt through this and desensitize him to the distractions of the other dogs, figure out how to keep his focus on me. Maybe I am asking too much of him for his age..I don't know.

2pyrs, welcome to the board! Thank you for your reply, Witt has playmates that he gets to play with weekly, but at flyball class he is definately not ready for off leash and he really doesn't have this problem elsewhere. But your idea seems to basically come down to desensitizing..which would mean I just keep going to classes and deal with it. Smiles

Susan, my oldest daughter Elise comes with me, she really likes it and of the four people in our family Witt listens to her second best to me. I make sure she is on one end of a run and I am on the other...although while doing runs he has had no recall problems. I am really liking this and I am amazed that he is doing so well as far as the actual flyball goes...but I am thinking maybe he is not mature enough for the in between manners yet. I was told Catahoulas mature slowly, maybe this is just that...he still has puppy focus.

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