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Rene Member  Posts: 161 |
posted 02-05-2004 09:13 AM
 
I took Sebastain and Jasmine to get groomed yesterday Sebastain looks very handsome but he had a pony tail in his bangs and a bow (geez he is a boy) but my poor Jasmine was so matted they shaved her she lookes like a chihuahua with long bangs. Poor baby is freezing to death she keeps taking her sweater off not sure how she does that but when i woke up this morning it was off and under my covers. Does anyone know how long it takes for them to grow there hair back? I hope its soon. from now on even if she hates it she is getting brushed EVERYDAY. IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 02-05-2004 09:23 AM
I would find a new groomer, poor thing, that has happened to my moms shitzu a few times, she takes her in for a mild cut and to get mats out an they shave her. It is like they are lazy and it is easier than trying to work the mats out. I would make sure her coat stays oin. are they poms? Honeybear IP: Logged |
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Rene Member Posts: 161 |
posted 02-05-2004 09:28 AM
they are Yorkies and jasmine's fur is really thick and different then sebastains he likes to be brushed and she hates it the breeder i got her from had shaved her when i first got her (not sure why) but i have had her a year and this is the second time (different groomer) they shaved her all the fur off before she was shaved i spent alot of time sitting and holding her and talking to her and she let me get a few knots out but when i tried the next day they were back i dont know why she matts so easy and sebastain doesn't?? differnt dogs i guess but i'm going to keep on trying and hope it grows back soon we are going to vist the snow at the end of feb. and she will need lots of swearters [This message has been edited by Rene (edited 02-05-2004).] IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 02-05-2004 09:33 AM
oh wow , having a yorky shaved in the winter, she will need lots of coats to keepher warm honeybear IP: Logged |
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susan_cude@hotmail.com Member Posts: 813 |
posted 02-05-2004 10:46 AM
You know what it is! laziness!!!! I took my shi tzu in just a couple of weeks ago for a cut, he was very matted because i had to be out of town for three weeks to care for my sister after surgery, and my husband doesn't brush..eerrr! Anyway they did call me first and said they needed to cut him a little shorter than I wanted because of the matts, I said o.k. but don't shave him! well guess what! when i picked him up he was shaved! I was so upset! they said that wasn't shaved, I told them I'm not blind, the dog has no hair! anyway he's not going back to them anymore. Not to be mean, I love my boy! but he sure looks ugly!!! It takes a couple of months before they start to have a coat again, the feet and face will grow the fastest. I'm sorry! I know what you're going through. Susan IP: Logged |
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susan_cude@hotmail.com Member Posts: 813 |
posted 02-05-2004 10:50 AM
Oh I forgot to mention, have you tried a detangler after bathing? my sister has a good one for her dogs, I'll get the name for you. I've been wanting to get some myself anyway. Susan IP: Logged |
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Rene Member Posts: 161 |
posted 02-05-2004 10:55 AM
I have put leave in conditoner, i have sprayed her with infusion, but she still gets matts I would love to know a better kind thanks IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 02-05-2004 11:26 AM
It's not just laziness all the time...it's painful for a dog to endure getting mats worked out especially if they are matted down to the skin. I'm not saying that was the case this time, but it happens frequently. Cowboy Magic Detangler can be purchased at PetsMart in the horse section and feed stores, their whole line of products is amazing. They also have a leave in shampoo that can be very helpful if you can't or don't want to bathe your dog for a period of time. The detangler is leave in and only takes a minute amount. IP: Logged |
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susan_cude@hotmail.com Member Posts: 813 |
posted 02-05-2004 01:06 PM
Maisey, you may be right in my case as well. Emotions speak loud at times, I wouldn't want them to hurt Freebie because I think he's ugly with a short cut. But what played a big part in my thinking it was laziness was I heard one of the girls complaining about another dogs hair and what the owner wanted, and another groomer there said to her: just shave him it's easier! this was while I was picking up Freebie. But! you make a very good point! I'm not a groomer, so I don't know what they have to go through to get our pets looking good. "Point well taken" And I will also try the product you mentioned. Susan IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 02-05-2004 01:24 PM
Ummm, can I use that detangler on my daughter's hair?!
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 02-05-2004 01:24 PM
OHH I don't doubt that there are lazy people out there...I am SURE there are. I'm not a groomer either but my aunt owns a grooming shop and I've seen what people bring in. The thing is she will discuss what they want done BEFORE she does anything and if she thinks it needs to be shaved she will flat out tell them that the dog is better off being shaved. IP: Logged |
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Rene Member Posts: 161 |
posted 02-05-2004 02:19 PM
LOL Jamiya, I have real long thick streight hair and i use infusem 23 mixed with water it works great and i used that on my daugther when she was yong also IP: Logged |
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angelgirl2003 Member Posts: 59 |
posted 02-05-2004 02:22 PM
Hi: I am a groomer and let me tell you: There are owners out there that should be ashamed. I will do my hardest NOT to have to shave a dog completely....especially in NY winters, but sometimes its the only thing to do. I have seen it when the mats are so bad, their skin starts to twist and fold right into the mat. I am soooooo not saying that is what your Yorkie was like, but there are people that allow their dogs to get like that. Try a grooming mit to brush her...Yorkies have very different hair and it mats really easily. And if you should feel a mat, please try to get it out. Yorkies should be groomed every 6-8 weeks....atleast for the brushing. Good luck to you and your babies....and about the bows, some people like them, others do not..request to your groomer that you don't want your boy to have one...its ok, you pay her LOL IP: Logged |
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Rene Member Posts: 161 |
posted 02-05-2004 02:29 PM
I know that some of her matts were bad and she hates to be brushed that is the only time she has ever tried to bite me as soon as she see's the brush or comb she runs and hides when i find her i put her on my lap and she tries to run away and shakes like crazy. We have been working on this and it is getting better (a little) but now that she has no fur (except her head) i'm tring to use a very soft brush and tring to do it everyday till she gets used to it IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 02-05-2004 03:04 PM
Maisey's right, it's not only really time consuming for groomers to have to brush out a matted up dog, but an annoyance for the dog as well. I wouldn't want to stand in one place for 2 hrs while someone yanked at my hair, then tossed me in a tub, finishing up with more yanking of my hair. I've worked briefly as a bather for a groomer, and have been around it for several years, so have seen what some dogs go through when owners want to keep coats that haven't had any upkeep, and can see why in some cases they choose to shave down rather than mess with mats. That doesn't mean though that there aren't people who are just lazy and tryignt o get out of work. You might try a slicker brush instead if you're using a comb right now, it won't pull as much, and they work well at getting tangles out and smoothing the fur together. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 02-05-2004 03:13 PM
Jimaya, I have used it on Mackenzies hair, she has extremely thick hair...TONS of it and she is a whiner about pulling. I bought some conditioner that is unbelievable though...it's called Zero Frizz. It is about $5 for a small bottle, but only takes like a dime sized amount so it lasts a long time. Your hair feels incredible after using it, but don't use too much! here is a link to the site so you can see it, I get it at Fred Meyers though. There are many products used on horses that are great for human hair. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 02-05-2004 03:17 PM
OK you all made me think of a cute story...my aunt has a client with a Poodle named Toughie, she is a little apricot and very feminine looking, but she has an additude. She is perfect when being groomed, but if you approach her with a bow...she will growl showing teeth even. You can put a bandana on her and she is happy, but don't dare show her a bow! IP: Logged |
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karma Member Posts: 77 |
posted 02-05-2004 05:30 PM
Hi all! Am new to this board. As a groomer, I have to agree with those who say it's sometimes necessary and more humane to shave than to remove mats. Dematting can hurt, even with the gentlest of groomers. I will not demat for more than an hour-and that's only at the owner's absolute insistence. Once I explain to owner how uncomfortable the dematting is for their pets, the reasonable ones always go for the shavedown. But believe me, it's no fun to shave down matted pets either. I don't do it because I'm lazy. I would rather do 15 minutes of dematting than 15 minutes of shaving. Shavedowns of matted dogs are a risk for a groomer- we can't see what's under there and there's always a chance of nicking the skin, no matter how careful one is. I'm certainly not saying that all groomers are wonderful. But it's all too common that we hear people branding us as lazy when we have to shave- when it's the owner who brings in a poorly cared-for pet, and expects miracles. More often, we do you a favor when we shave down. It saves your pets the pain and trauma of all that pulling. The best thing you can do is train your dogs to allow you to handle and groom them. Or, bring them in often enough so that we can demat for you in a reasonable amount of time. Thanks for listening to one more from the other side! IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 02-05-2004 06:40 PM
I remember Fred Meyers! (I used to live in Longview, WA, Maisey.) I am going to look at that Zero Frizz stuff. My daughter's hair is very long - about down to her waist. It is very thick and has a ton of body. It was very, very curly when she was little - now it is just wavy. It's awesome, beautiful hair! But, as most little girls do, she hates to brush it. Lately, there have been times when I have spaced it off and she has not bothered to remind me for days. When you can actually SEE the tangles, you know it is bad. Twice now I have had to work out a tangle the size of a cantaloupe. You can't imagine how long that takes, and it hurts her no matter how gentle I try to be. And I don't always WANT to be gentle since she SHOULD be old enough to not let this happen!! Anyway, this is totally off topic, unless perhaps I should take her to a groomer?!
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 02-05-2004 06:42 PM
Errr, which conditioner product is it on that site, Maisey?
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 02-05-2004 10:47 PM
This one...although my bottle doesn't look the same. http://www.zerofrizz.com/popup3.asp?popup=zf_02_01 It says Zero Frizz Corrective Treatment System Daily Conditioner Nourishing and smoothing. (It says stage 2 on it as well), we only use the conditioner, I buy a different brand of shampoo...but I got hooked on the conditioner. IP: Logged |
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susan_cude@hotmail.com Member Posts: 813 |
posted 02-05-2004 11:17 PM
Hi again! to all the groomers that responded to this. You have taught me much, and I do appreciat it! This is exactly why i enjoy this site, if a person is not stubborn and set in thier ways, he or she can learn alot. Please except my apologies if I offended! Jamiya and Maisey or whoever, you can also buy that frizz product at Walgreens, it's a new product and it's flying off the shelf. But I had no idea you could use it on dogs though! I'll be buying some. I'm pretty sure it's the same thing. And someone mentioned a slicker brush for the matts, I have noticed they have different sizes, what size would you get for a shi tzu? Thanks! Susan IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 02-05-2004 11:30 PM
Susan, I meant the Zero Frizz conditioner for Jimayas daughters hair,lol I suppose you could use it on your dog. The one I recommended for dogs is called Cowboy Magic detangler, it's a leave in conditioner. There is another product called Frizz eze or something like that, I tried it and it was sticky, left a coating on my hair I didn;t like, so don't confuse the two. IP: Logged |
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karma Member Posts: 77 |
posted 02-06-2004 04:52 AM
Susan, I certainly didn't take offense. A lot of people really don't know what grooming is like- I didn't until I became a groomer! As to the brush question, a small slicker is fine for a shih tzu. I would also try to get one labelled 'gentle'- and when you use it, be careful not to scrape the skin with it (try brushing the inside of your arm with it and you'll see why!!) A good day to you all... IP: Logged |
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Rene Member Posts: 161 |
posted 02-06-2004 08:29 AM
I would also like to know what is a good brush for sebastain who has very long hair he loves to be combed. And i would imange i would need a different kind for Jasmine since her fur is really thick and she hates to be combed (we are working on that)right now it's hard cuz she has no fur but when i combed her last night it seemed she had a few tangles but we got them out. I also want to thank all the groomers here i also learned alot and i know it was my fault jasmine had to be shaved i just didnt think it had to be that short and it's winter and she is freezing. Good thing we live in Calif. Its not as cold as other places but i am taking all my dogs to the snow the end of Feb. I'm going to make her a big thick coat to wear. IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 02-06-2004 08:35 AM
Although I have never had a dog groomed so I have no personal experience with this issue, after reading everyone's posts and seeing both sides of the matter - I just want to say that if a groomer is going to shave a dog, I think the owner's permission should be granted first. Otherwise, isn't it sort of like going in for a haircut and having the stylist decide she doesn't think what you wanted would be good for you, so she shaves you bald instead?! I once got a haircut that was NOTHING like what I told her to do and I cried! It seems to me that if shaving is the best option, the groomer should call the owner and get permission. If permission is not granted, then the groomer can refuse to continue. Although, perhaps that would not be a good business move, and when working in a chain like PetsMart perhaps it is not an option. So, you groomer people out there. What sort of brush do I want to use to brush an aussie? I have a wire brush that I think is a "slicker brush" that someone told me to buy for a short-haired dog.
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susan_cude@hotmail.com Member Posts: 813 |
posted 02-06-2004 09:43 AM
Thanks Maisey! You're right! that is what it is. I was so tired last night while reading all of this, but I'm awake now! and will remember the product you suggested. Thanks again! Susan Renee, thanks for the advise on the brush! IP: Logged |
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karma Member Posts: 77 |
posted 02-06-2004 10:16 AM
Hi all, Jamiya, you make an excellent point. Owners absolutely should be informed when a groomer feels a shavedown is necessary. I always make sure I have permission- but I have heard of shops who don't. I use slicker brushes on almost all the dogs. A pin brush is suitable also. Slickers are great for matts and heavy (and long coats.) For a larger dog, just get a larger brush. For the long, hairy and/or thick guys you might also want an undercoat rake. This helps get the shedding hair out. If you don't know what it is: it looks like a rake. Be careful not to over -apply the pressure with any brushes/combs/rakes. IP: Logged |
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