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Samsintentions Member  Posts: 944 |
posted 01-28-2004 09:49 AM
 
Just wondering, why do people shave the Standard Poodles like they do? They kinda resemble pompoms....lol... IP: Logged |
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dukesdad Member Posts: 117 |
posted 01-28-2004 10:00 AM
You won't believe this but that is suppose to be their "sporting" field trim. The various puffs are suppose to protect the joints. Can't you just picture one of our Texas bubbas on his way to a hunt with his huntin' poodle in the back of his truck? LOL I think standard poodles that are trimmed evenly all over are really nice looking dogs. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 01-28-2004 10:54 AM
I cannot even imagine using a Poodle to hunt around here...the amount of burrs they would get in the hair would be horrible. IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 01-28-2004 12:16 PM
You've got to be kidding me? I always thought they were trimed that way to look like marshmellows or something. Man, around my place, the burrs, stickers and stuff...oh I don't even want to think about it.....talk about having matts....sheesh.. Yeah Dukes Dad...can't you imagine it. A hard core redneck in the back of a ol truck with gun racks on the back, decked out in camo..the whole 9 yards....with a big fluffy white puffball riding in the back! oh man, that got me rolling just thinking about it. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 01-28-2004 12:42 PM
Don't forget the pink toenails and ribbons on the ears! IP: Logged |
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raindigger Member Posts: 25 |
posted 01-28-2004 11:16 PM
Hi Guys, I have a standard poodle. He's big and all dog. The Show trims were developed for protection, but not for hunting. They are water dogs, like labs, bred to retrieve ducks from the lakes. Their tight, curley coat also protects them from the icey waters. My silly dog just loves taking a flying leap off the dock into the water to fetch anything we through out there. IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 552 |
posted 01-29-2004 12:49 AM
The original hunting standard was not kept in such profuse coat, though as some have said, the "poofs" over the joints kept them warm while retrieving game. The show ring exaggerated the coat (as they do most things, but that's a whole 'nother topic), and made it into it's current non-functional form. IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 01-29-2004 06:36 AM
I can't stand poodle cuts. I love poodles with puppy cuts, though! Although I have to admit I don't recall seeing a standard poodle in a puppy cut - only the little guys.
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puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 |
posted 01-29-2004 05:23 PM
Standard puppies which are nearly full grown at age one have the puppy cut often. Their coat does not fully change until 18 months to 2 years. Most poodles used for hunting have the very short sporting cut. Which at a blink of an eye looks like a pointer with a few curls. Any real hunter would know about poodles being used for hunting. Its just some are the so called manly men and would never be owned by a poodle. If they did they would never own any other breed. They truly think poodles are just dainty little frou frou dogs. Not at all. Rain digger thank you for stepping in. If you all want I can muster up a link that shows an actual mini. poodle on the front page of a hunting magazine. ------------------ [This message has been edited by puttin510 (edited 01-29-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 01-30-2004 04:40 AM
There was a standard for adoption at PetsMart not to long ago that had a nice even trim. He looked very handsome. NO poof balls or afro's or painted nails and bows.... IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 01-30-2004 03:10 PM
The cut was originally functional as once stated before. Since then it became an "art form" and the cut was dramatically exaggerated from its initial form. Poodles are EXCELLENT hunting companions and do not belong in the non sporting category. The cut is just....well its kind of become tradition now. Why do people cut down trees and decorate them with cheesy pieces of glittery stuff every year? I have a standard poodle and she is a wonderful dog. I think she looks beautiful in her standard poodle haircut and also very beautiful in any other haircut I have. Why does anyone choose one particular purebred over another? It all boils down to people choosing a dog that they like how it looks..or that they grew up with..etc. People who only adopt mutts are really the only people who dont choose a dog based on looks. Or people who choose a poodle because of the allergy thing. Sure a poodle has specific personality traits....but there are lots of other dogs that contained the qualities I was looking for (friendly, outgoing, playful, intelligent, medium size) There are TONS of breeds that would have worked out for me...but I like the way poodles look. Oh and I paint her nails once a month. Raindigger your statement was incorrect...the show cut developed from the cut used FOR hunting. Protecting the joints hips ankles for diving in and out of the water. I wonder if anyone can find a picture of the original cut before it became all......artsy. IP: Logged |
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dogangel Member Posts: 132 |
posted 01-30-2004 06:27 PM
When it comes to poodle crazy pom-pom "hair do", I've always thought this was just an ugly way of embarrassing the dogs. But that's just me. I guess it has come to that with people watching the dog shows and considering this cut as a standard requirement. To me, the way they show poodles is like a fashion show for women - let's be real - how many of us would really go out wearing that crazy stuff??? IMO common sense and good (not crazy) grooming would do the poodles a lot more justice. ... speaking of which, I once read in Stanley Coren's "Intelligence of Dogs", that Standard Poodles are as effective a guard dog as any German Shepherd. But I guess because of the dammage of the pom-poms, you won't hear anybody talking about the reassurance of a poodle protection... IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 01-30-2004 07:41 PM
Most poodles dont have that haircut...I've actually NEVER seen a poodle in that haircut. I saw one mini poodle with it when I worked as a groomer for 4 months and one standard poodle with the pom poms only on the ankles and tail...no full chest and no butt pompoms. I still have yet to see the continental cut in real life. I know that one of the two "tests" you have to pass when you go from a bather to a groomer at petco is doing the poodle cut which is promptly shaved off in most cases as the owner doesnt want to maintain it....just brought it in for a free cut for the student's test. I'm growing my poodle in a show cut at the moment because I want to have her in it at least for a little while. I also dye my poodle pink so I have rather eclectic tastes. IP: Logged |
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BlueTrain Member Posts: 29 |
posted 01-30-2004 09:51 PM
while growing up my family had 2 standards and both never had the cheesy afro-haircuts. always a short trim, or maybe a bit longer in the winter. They are also EXTREMELY good dogs for protection. A bit of a story... when i was young i raised a few rabbits. Well, one night a neighborhood doberman got on a pile of rocks my dad was going to use for the yard and got over our 6 foot fence. It killed one of my rabbits, leaving the carcass in the middle of the backyard. Well, when we found the rabbit we didnt know exactly what/who killed it. Well, later that day my mom is outside with one of the Standards, and sees a doberman come running out from under the deck at her. well, our standard meets the doberman head on, and literally whips the crap out of it. The doberman was able to briefly get away and claw/jump its way back over the fence. Not the happiest of stories, but a good testament to their toughness/protective abilities. IP: Logged |
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puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 |
posted 02-01-2004 10:48 PM
I really don't like it when breeds are knocked for their looks. Whats the point. Poodles are only kept in the continetal trim when they are show dogs. No one in their right mind would keep their dog in that trim because it takes alot of work to maintain it. Short hair is easiest. I love the nail polish too. I have not want to bother my girl with it lately becuase she has arthritis and her feet are swollen. But I make her collars and her coats. To own a poodle you have to be a poodle person and if your not thats fine. No need to rag on the breed though. I will always want to have a poodle. I think they have such beautiful faces and are so graceful. Watching a poodle run a nd play is like watching horses run to me. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 02-01-2004 11:40 PM
They are beautiful..playful...intelligent...and THEY DONT SHED. The coat is so versatile you can make the dog look so very different to suit your taste. Try dredlocks if you dont think you are a poodle person or think they are too girly! http://www.planetpoodle.de/Fotos1/foto_monat05a.jpg Anyways....I'm really particular about my poodle....she is high maintenence because I just have to keep her at her utmost cleanliness and ...um...neatness. I run the clippers once a week to neaten her up. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 02-01-2004 11:41 PM
I am the first to admit I am not a Poodle person. My mother raised and showed them for many years as did one of my aunts. I think they are awesome dogs..not for me, but they have so many good qualities. I actually have a Poodle, his name is Darby and he is white. He was abandoned at my mothers for boarding, he had been abused, didn't have a clue how to play and was just generally a mess. I don't know how...but he managed to creep his way into my heart. I have horses and herding dogs and spend alot of time outside.... Darby's hair is kept short because he thinks he is an outdoorsman and I can't keep him from the burrs and stickers and dirt. Also because he is terrified to go to a groomer and so I hand scissor him ( a groomer I am not!) I have accidentally dyed him baby blue, he was humiliated and you could see it on his face, I felt bad even though I was giggling. Darby does not fit my lifestyle or preferences regarding looks or even traits. BUT I have never had a dog that snuggles like he does, I have never had a dog as loving and affectionate as he is and he is the only one of my three dogs who will ride on my horse with me! Would I likely get another Poodle..well no, but I would take Darby again and I would recommend the breed to anyone. IP: Logged |
Jas Moderator Posts: 536 |
posted 02-02-2004 12:31 AM
er........but they do shed. Any dog that has hair must shed. They probably don't shed like most dogs but they would have to lose fur in order to maintain a healthy coat. IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 02-02-2004 04:34 AM
I agree Jas. I don't see how a dog couldn't shed.IF they didn't, where would the new hairs grow in? HOw would they maintain a healthy balance? The closest I've gotten to a poodle was my grandmothers toy poodle. HE didn't shed much at all, but he still sheded. I"m not dissing the breed so I'm sorry if some of you took it that way, I was just curious as to why they groomed them like that. History of it and what-not... IP: Logged |
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puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 |
posted 02-02-2004 11:06 AM
A poodles hair continues to grow like a humans hair. Being that its hair is curly any hair that does come out of its body is entwined with the coat and it comes out only on the brush. I love that. another cool thing is when you clip them, when there hair falls to the ground it is not like cleaning up human hair of straight hair with it hard to get every tiny peice. it is clumped together and pick up is so easy. Not all breeds aree for everyone. I think most dogs are beautiful in their own ways. Its not for me or anyone else to say who's is best. Even for me the continental trim is too much. It would be interesting to see on my dog, but theres no way in the world I could keep her that way. Samsintentions- thanks for clarifying your post. Ok, I'm not in defence mode anymore. LOL. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 02-02-2004 11:17 AM
Although I am sure...just like people losing hair the Poodle does as well, it really does seem like a shedless dog. The only time I find Darby's hair is in the brush when I brush him. Growing up there were 9 Poodles at one time in our house, I have to admit my mother did keep them groomed, almost to the point of obsession, but I don't remember having any hair laying around. My mother hates that I don't keep darby in a cute little cut, she gripes about it all the time..."just let me groom him..". SHE loves to groom...Darby hates to be groomed and is terrified of the table so I always say no. She thinks I keep his hair too short and that I shouldn't allow him to go to the barn with me (because then he could have one of those poof ball styles). Darby would be crushed if anyone ever told him he was supposed to be a frou frou dog. IP: Logged |
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puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 |
posted 02-02-2004 11:35 AM
So you must shave him nearly weekly if you have his hair short all the time. For me to keep Sasha's hair 1/2 inch long I have to trim twice a month. You probably let the hair air dry right. It looks somewhat shorter if its air dried. That way the hair curls up tighter. I did that at first when sasha had hardly any hair. Then found out what the poo people do to get an even cut. But if its curled you can't see any unevenness. I just like the puffed out look. For the working poo it is perfect to have the curls. No fuss hair. Hey why not let mom trim his hair a bit, maybe once in awhile. I think your mom just knows darby has potential. He can get used to it ya know. Come on, I want to see how different he looks ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 02-02-2004 08:45 PM
I invite you to wear all black clothes and take my white poodle and rub her all over you all day long. I'll give you 5 bucks for every white hair you find on your clothes =P I groom her about once a month..just trimming things that need to be trimmed. Her feed every two weeks and her face every week for the most part. Sometimes the feet go once a month as they just take too long. IP: Logged |
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susan_cude@hotmail.com Member Posts: 813 |
posted 02-02-2004 09:33 PM
Maisey, You dyed your dog blue! I'm still rolling! I had to look at this post because it had so many responces. I'ts all "preference" Mistress loves her poodle as well as puttin, if you want your poodle to be all green with a red stripe down it's back, that's your business. I just had to laugh at the different styles you all came up with. We may not all agree with each other about everything, but it sure is intertaining sometimes! Poodles why? dauchsies why? labs why? catahoula's why? pits why? (and the list goes on)BECAUSE WE LOVE THEM! that's why! IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 02-02-2004 10:14 PM
A black poodle would have been easier to keep looking nice (clean) but its so much more fun to dye her pink =) IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 02-02-2004 10:39 PM
Susan, I was using Mrs....something or other bluing to get him really white...well I put it directly on him and then let it sit, thinking it would work better if I left it on longer...when I rinsed him..it just wasn't coming off. We laughed, took pictures and then tried to convince him that it wasn't THAT bad. He looked so humiliated as if he knew what color he was. Puttin...my mom has her ways, she will put him on the table and expect him to behave a certain way. He is ten years old and terrified of the table, it's just easier for him and me to hand scissor him and let him take breaks so he doesn't get too stressed. I know he would stand there...but he would hate it and be a nervous wreck, I just can't do that to him. I actually don't trim him that often, I let his hair dry naturally and it is curly, in the summer months I trim him often in the winter months I let him get longer for the warmth, he looks like a marshmallow, but he is warm. I'll take some pictures and post them soon, I'm in the middle of trimming him now, he got into the garden at the barn and rolled in rotten pumpkin and it's not washing out color wise so I am cutting his hair off and he will have to wear a sweater or something. IP: Logged |
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puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 |
posted 02-03-2004 09:15 AM
Why do dogs have to roll in disgusting things? Well I know. But good greif. I was driving along and stopped because there was a dog in the very middle of the road rolling its next in a dead animal in the street. I had to honk my horn alot to get it to move on. Crazy dog. I felt sorry for whomever that dog was coming home to. Or maybe they deserve it for not even knowing their dogs were out. Maisey, your'e right if it stresses him too much then its not for him. Maisey maybe he would have looked good pumpkin color.LOL. You guys are funny. I can't believe that stuff really turned him blue. I mean do. but shocking. Funny thing is you were not trying too. LOL All dogs are great. If I spend time with any dog I learn to love that breed. ------------------ [This message has been edited by puttin510 (edited 02-03-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 02-04-2004 04:56 AM
Oh man liquid bluing!!! That stuff is awful, helpful and effective if used right. I had a little white Miniture pony I was grooming up for a show for a friend of mine. He had yellowish spots and I had remembered someone telling me to use that to get them whiter. WEll, Of course I didn't read the insturctions so I just pored it over him and rubbed around and let it sit for a minute....Needless to say, he was BLUE!! Bright blue. I was freeking out.... seeing as how the show was in like 2 days.... I tried everything to get it out..was funny though. a blue pony! lol.. I finally figured it out. Pinesol. IT works, You can't leave it on long and it has to be deluted, but it really works. I used it for about three washes and it all came out and he was never whiter!! I made sure I did some serious rinsing and used conditioner after... LOL. That just brought back memories....thanks, I needed a good laugh! IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 02-04-2004 08:46 AM
While we are on the subject...I need good whitening advice. Those blueing shampoos from petco and whatnot do diddly. Seeing how I usually have my dogs hair dyed in a color...I wouldnt mind her being blue for awhile if it meant she would come out whiter in the long run. Can anyone recommend a good whitening product for a white poodle? She still has a cream stripe down her back because she is young so i wouldnt mind something that bleaches the fur if its safe because that stripe makes her look dirty no matter how much I scrub her. I sometimes dye her just because im sick of people telling me it looks like she rolled in the dirt. Anyways....brands / and places to buy the products would be great =) IP: Logged |
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susan_cude@hotmail.com Member Posts: 813 |
posted 02-04-2004 09:23 AM
Mistress, I found this web site because of tear stains, but I think it may help you as well. www.bhejei.com/tearsta.htm Hope that helps! Susan IP: Logged |
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raindigger Member Posts: 25 |
posted 02-04-2004 08:30 PM
Mistresskelso- You said my statement was incorrect. You said that the poodle trim was developed FOR hunting. I say NO. It was developed FOR retrieving ducks in the icey waters. Hunting and retrieving are two different animals. I know because that's what we train our dogs for. IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 02-04-2004 10:25 PM
*blink* Retrieving animals from the water is a part of "hunting" IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 02-04-2004 10:25 PM
Thank you susan! That was an excellent link and very helpful! I'll let you know how she turns out =) IP: Logged |
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raindigger Member Posts: 25 |
posted 02-05-2004 10:05 AM
In the sporting circle hunters use their sight, scent or ears to track game some will retrieve game, but not most. Like most in the hound group. Retrieving water dogs, like labs & poodles, only wait near the water to swim out and bring back game the hunter has shot over the water. It may sound like nit-picking but poodles don't hunt. IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 02-06-2004 08:14 AM
I said it was developed for hunting not to hunt. You take the dog along when you "hunt" so the dog is used with, for, while, hunting. Point is, the dog is not a non sporting breed. IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 02-06-2004 10:18 AM
Get this, while we're on the subject of Poodles. There is a poodle on the Animal Planets, Miracle Pets....this standard can detect lung cancer in people before it's detected by our testing!!! How wonderful is that!!!!! DR. POOCH!!! IP: Logged |
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puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 |
posted 02-06-2004 03:23 PM
They are teaching animals to detect the oddest things these days. How to detect the smell that comes from a diabetic if they have not taken their insulin and if their in trouble. truffles, drug, smuggled animals. all sorts of things. Oh yeah, even termites in buildings. I would say retrieveng ducks(fowl) is part of the hunt, the final stage. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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raindigger Member Posts: 25 |
posted 02-06-2004 09:31 PM
Point is the std. poodle IS a non sporting breed. My origional post was to explain to the members that Poodles weren't running through fields getting burs while hunting, (because they are in the water getting worst junk mixed up in their coats). But I'm done with the subject. IP: Logged |
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