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Linda Member  Posts: 56 |
posted 01-24-2004 04:28 PM
 
Is corn a good thing or bad thing? [This message has been edited by Linda (edited 01-28-2004).] IP: Logged |
nern Moderator Posts: 1591 |
posted 01-24-2004 07:25 PM
Good information, thanks for posting this. When corn is used as a source of protien in pet foods it is usually listed as "corn gluten meal". I also think there is a huge difference in the quality of corn that is used in cheap, generic brands verses high quality brands. IP: Logged |
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Jas Moderator Posts: 536 |
posted 01-25-2004 12:19 AM
Where are you getting all your info for your last few posts? Can you please site your sources if taking info directly from someone else and their website. Thanks. I cant say I agree with the so called pet nutritionist on corn and its digestibility or benefits. Its really necessary to be careful and choosy about the brands of food that contain corn. I'm not saying corn is entirely bad, but it is readily used as a food filler. Corn comes in several forms i.e. whole corn, as I am sure many of us are aware passes through our (and dogs) bodies relatively the same way it went in. In addition most of us do not want our dogs eating corn remnants swept off the floor from Kellogg's (Corn Flakes) leftovers, and in many cases, that is exactly what you're getting. IP: Logged |
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Linda Member Posts: 56 |
posted 01-25-2004 06:02 AM
Read about the "Corn Myth" at www.greatdanelady.com. Click on articles and arrow all the way down to the questions. [This message has been edited by Linda (edited 01-28-2004).] IP: Logged |
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kyles101 Member Posts: 227 |
posted 01-25-2004 07:49 AM
if corn is so good how come youve written on another post that a grain based diet will cause yeast infections or something? confusing. after jamiya sparked me to do some research on the barf diets ive come to this conclusion.. we dont know for sure if corn is 100% good or bad for your dog but we all know meat is good and safe. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 01-25-2004 08:26 AM
I agree with Jas here, but I can only base that on the fact that I used to give my dogs corn off the cobb out of my own kitchen and would soon enough see it come out the other end in whole form, so I 'm not thinking they are getting much out of it. I also don't care if you label it "food intolerance" or an allergy, the fact that my dog rips his own hair out until he bleeds and is miserable when I feed him a product with corn in it speaks loudly enough for me. I don't doubt corn is a good source of protein or carbs..but is it for our dogs? I will admit that I readily took the information I originally read about corn instantly for fact, but the fact that taking it out of my dogs diet made such a huge difference has to mean something. BTW...I think nern is a girly girl...am I right nern? IP: Logged |
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Karriesue Member Posts: 277 |
posted 01-25-2004 09:02 AM
All I know is I got my dog Brute at six months and he had constant diarrhea and soft stools. For the life of me I could figure out why. He was dewormed twice and had some expensive tests done. He also went through three different brands of dog food and was losing weight. I started doing research on food allergies and I found a common ingredient in all the dog foods and treats that I had been giving him was corn. As soon as I switched him to Nutro lamb and rice(which has no corn), he was normal. I have since switched my dog's food to Royal Canin Natural Blend Holistic Dog Food and both my dogs have responded really well to it. It is a little pricy but after my experience with Brute, I have seen what a nonhealthy brand of dog food can do. Their coats are shiny and they are at a healthy weight. Every time I buy treats (and I try to buy healthy ones), I look at the back of the bag to make sure it has no corn in it and I am amazed at just how many companies put corn and other needless ingredients into the foods and usually corn is one of the first four ingredients. Eye-opening experience for me. IP: Logged |
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Linda Member Posts: 56 |
posted 01-25-2004 11:53 AM
Thanks. [This message has been edited by Linda (edited 01-28-2004).] IP: Logged |
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elizavixen Member Posts: 160 |
posted 01-25-2004 12:27 PM
I don't think anyone is passing judgement. Some people are against corn in dog food. Some people, like the woman who wrote that website, are not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. BTW, that article was taken from www.greatdanelady.com . You really should reference her when posting her articles. IP: Logged |
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Karriesue Member Posts: 277 |
posted 01-25-2004 01:07 PM
Linda, why are you taking everything so personal? This is a reference site, yes, but we all voice our opinions on this and that. Some of us think corn has no nutritional value and and some of us do. By the way, Maisey was joking with Nern. She was just refering to that fact that Nern is a female. This is a great site, we learn stuff, help others, and we try to have fun. You can too.  [This message has been edited by Karriesue (edited 01-25-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Jas Moderator Posts: 536 |
posted 01-25-2004 01:28 PM
my message was not in reply to nern's post
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Jas Moderator Posts: 536 |
posted 01-25-2004 01:39 PM
Speaking of Corney corn corn, Growing it in our garden, I tell you, led to us fencing our veggie garden the next year due to the fact the dogs would help themselves practically consuming the entire stalk - they quite enjoyed most of what we grew Yummy yes, a main staple of their diet - no IP: Logged |
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Linda Member Posts: 56 |
posted 01-25-2004 03:02 PM
delete [This message has been edited by Linda (edited 01-27-2004).] IP: Logged |
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nern Moderator Posts: 1591 |
posted 01-25-2004 06:45 PM
Maisey: yes, you are correct  Linda: Its okay, I knew what she meant. I would hate to see you leave the board as I think you could be a good contributer to many of the discussions here. I think sometimes some of the posts may come off as being harsh or rude but in most cases this is not intentional. Thats one of the downfalls of message boards...you don't get to see people's facial expressions or hear the tone of their voice and thus things can be taken the wrong way at times. There are lots of wonderful people here and I hope to see you remain on the board. IP: Logged |
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Jas Moderator Posts: 536 |
posted 01-25-2004 07:00 PM
Linda, I hope you haven't taken offense to the posts here, unfortunately some posts do not convey peoples tone, intention or conviction well. We welcome varying opinions and most of us are aware things aren't always clear cut right or wrong. It is good that you posted the Eagle Pack info but as we all know what works for one dog might not for another. In another thread I think it was Jamiya who heeded a caution (and rightly so!!!) about information written by people promoting their own product. Food topics are bound to bring opinions and controversy. I'm sure you can appreciate other peoples views just as others appreciate yours! I'm sorry if you feel the need to no longer post here but hope you'll reconsider. IP: Logged |
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nern Moderator Posts: 1591 |
posted 01-25-2004 07:43 PM
My 2cents on corn in (high quality) pet foods -On digestibility: I also admit that I originally took everything I read about corn being bad, a common allergen and a filler as fact but I have since changed my veiws and looking back I can see that I clearly misinterpreted many of the sources of this information. [This message has been edited by nern (edited 01-25-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Linda Member Posts: 56 |
posted 01-26-2004 06:24 AM
Thanks for the imput. [This message has been edited by Linda (edited 01-28-2004).] IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 01-26-2004 08:33 AM
Well since I cant read any of Lindas posts I have no idea what she posted. they ahve all been deleted? Nern - interesting for me is I have been trying ot figure what Jake is allergic to and made several switches. He was Innova, he chewed his skin and got a lip fungus. Most recently I bought CA natural allergy formula, the only thing in it was lamb rice and sunflower oil. After 2 days of feeding Jake practically scratched a hole in his head. He has now been on Natural balance duck and potato almost 2 weeks and he has not scratched or chewed at all. IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 01-26-2004 09:59 AM
I wonder if it was the sunflower oil...
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 01-26-2004 10:14 AM
Jimiya, I think its got to be - he has been on lamb and rice before and never had that kind of adverse reaction that fast. Kind of like when people are allergic to nuts. Poor Jake just got finished wearing his cone for over a week, because as the wound dried out and scabs over he wanted to scratch it. Honeybear IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 01-26-2004 10:55 AM
OH Boy...I was gone yesterday doing a leg in a transport for a dog going from Modesto CA to Vancouver BC Canada, so I didn't read all the posts that have been edited out. I hope my post did not come off as rude, I was simply stating my opinion on the topic. I use the GreatDaneLady site for reference too, that doesn't mean I agree with everything, I have posted many sites for people to look at and I usually will say that I don't always agree with everything or know how much is fact but that it is something I read on the road to learning. There are three different shops I use for buying dog food, all of them refuse to sell products that have corn in them, I cannot prove that my dog has an intolerance to corn, but when removed from his diet the issues he was having disappeared. Linda, I was excited to see that much of what you posted about was food, I hope you stay and post. I wasn'trying to be flipant in saying nern was a female...I went for a couple weeks thinking Sam was a man only to find out she is quite female, I just thought I would give you a heads up. Honeybear,I *think* it was on the Natural balance site where I saw sunflower oil listed as a commmon allergen in dogs, I hadn't seen that elsewhere so I remember it surprised me. Maybe thats why he does well on the Natural Balance??? Maybe maybe? IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 01-26-2004 11:09 AM
Interesting, I did go on their web site, but couldnt find anything on the sunflower oil, glad to see hopefully the duck and potato is doing the trick Honeybear IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 01-26-2004 11:27 AM
Here I found where it says that, scroll down, it's in red. http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/products/PandD.html IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 01-26-2004 12:56 PM
Maisey, thank you, I missed that. I also had just put him on missing link but took him to rule out all ingred and was waiting to put him back on after I know he is under control. I need to check those ingred to make sure there is no sunflower oil Honeybear IP: Logged |
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nern Moderator Posts: 1591 |
posted 01-26-2004 03:22 PM
Honeybear: Have you ever considered doing an elimination diet on him? This would be a good way to find out exactly which ingredients are causing the problem. BTW, a while back I meant to ask you...... IP: Logged |
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MistressKela Member Posts: 275 |
posted 01-27-2004 09:08 AM
I would never ever ever again feed any of my animals any food that contains corn. Corn is not a problem for all dogs but it definately does nothing for a dogs coat. Working in a grooming office I saw firsthand the improvements in dogs that were eating stuff like science diet switch to Nutro Natural Choice. I wont even feed my dogs that anymore. The brand I feed is cheaper and there are no by products and no corn either. My chihuahua was raised on iams and he was a flaky dull mess when i got him. 4 months later he is on quality food with NO corn and his coat is shiny and there is no dandruff on him at all. Has it been proven that corn is the enemy? No...but the simple fact that many dogs cant digest it properly is enough for me. The more meat..the better. IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 01-27-2004 09:45 AM
Nern, thanks for the input, I was trying to put him on an elmination type diet, with the Cal natural that only had lamb rice and sunflower oil. which really made things worse. The vet wanted to put him on hills and do the elimination thing but I wanted to try it on my own. I already see a big improvement with him being on the Allergy formula Duck and potato, his eyes are not weepy, and he is not scratching. What I find interesting in one thing you read - the california natural is great because it only has 3 ingred, then I read a something else that the ingred beng used in the allergy formula is know to cause allergies, it is so confusing. I will let you know if I need the info you have, if he makes a turn for the worse thanks Honeybear IP: Logged |
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nern Moderator Posts: 1591 |
posted 01-27-2004 04:18 PM
Honeybear: Im glad to hear the Natural Balance seems to be working well. IP: Logged |
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nern Moderator Posts: 1591 |
posted 01-27-2004 05:12 PM
Whole corn contains linoleic acid which would contribute in part to coat quality. Again, I really think the quality and type of corn used in certain foods is a large factor. When I mentioned high quality foods that contained corn I was thinking more along the lines of Back to Basics, PHD, Eagle Pack & Wysong (all of which have made previous WDJ lists).
quote: From what I understand, this seems to be more of an assumption than a fact. I have searched and searched but have been unsuccessful in finding any factual info. regarding the claims I so often hear about corn. [This message has been edited by nern (edited 01-27-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Linda Member Posts: 56 |
posted 01-27-2004 05:22 PM
I contacted Eagle Pack and expressed my concern regarding corn in their Eagle Senior. They assured me it was for carbohydrate reasons and that it is ground into a fine powder. Yet, I am still afraid to get the Eagle Senior due to the discussion I've seen about corn. [This message has been edited by Linda (edited 01-28-2004).] IP: Logged |
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susan_cude@hotmail.com Member Posts: 813 |
posted 01-27-2004 05:58 PM
Happy to see you're back Linda! Honeybear, where do you get the california dog from? Susan IP: Logged |
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Linda Member Posts: 56 |
posted 01-28-2004 07:03 AM
kyles101 I have searched and searched my Yeast Article and do not see where it says corn causes a yeast infection. Feel free to go to www.greatdanelady.com click on articles and look under health-Yeast Infection. Nothing there. I do not use corn but www.greatdanelady.com is not adverse to corn in any of her articles and that is where I copied her information (not mine). IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 01-28-2004 08:12 AM
Susan, I got the Calif Natural at a local feed store. When Jake was on Innova, that is where I got it too. Yhey also had other brands but I now cant think of the name. And my health food grocery store sells Solid gold. I would never had thought to look at feed stores for high quality pet food, it was Maisey who recommended it. Honeybear IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 01-28-2004 08:12 AM
Susan, I got the Calif Natural at a local feed store. When Jake was on Innova, that is where I got it too. Yhey also had other brands but I now cant think of the name. And my health food grocery store sells Solid gold. I would never had thought to look at feed stores for high quality pet food, it was Maisey who recommended it. Honeybear IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 01-28-2004 09:06 AM
California Naturals and Innova are both made by the same company, check out their website for locations that sell it. http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=home-tab IP: Logged |
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